Dud Identification Collective Knowledge.

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

ok so i scoped a dozen different samples of my GG4 plants tonight and couldn't find anything resembling nematodes. i took samples from my sickest plants, from the lower base of stems up to the top nodes…..i swear some of the damage looks like the stem nematode damage, just overall rough look of stem and some abrasions here and there.

i looked all up in the stem, squished the stems into the slides and looked through the juices…and i soaked them in water over night and scoped the water itself. nothing moving at all its still as a frozen winter forest….no signs of eggs or anything.

still going to send in samples soon to the lab to verify….but I'm breathing an initial sigh of relief.

WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME ACTUAL PICTURES OF PLANTS AFFECTED BY THIS!!!

go to the begining theres tons.use the " search this thread" function advanced for stormshadow hes practically shut down the server with dud photos.
stoney made a thread https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=279682 it turns out to be a dud in the end sorry for the spoiler.
also whatthe215 and highlife45. i believe google is a better search of icmag. just put in search query plus icmag and youll get results from this website way more thoroughly than this sites search engine will give you.

 

[Loc Dog]

ok so i scoped a dozen different samples of my GG4 plants tonight and couldn't find anything resembling nematodes. i took samples from my sickest plants, from the lower base of stems up to the top nodes…..i swear some of the damage looks like the stem nematode damage, just overall rough look of stem and some abrasions here and there.

i looked all up in the stem, squished the stems into the slides and looked through the juices…and i soaked them in water over night and scoped the water itself. nothing moving at all its still as a frozen winter forest….no signs of eggs or anything.

still going to send in samples soon to the lab to verify….but I'm breathing an initial sigh of relief.

WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME ACTUAL PICTURES OF PLANTS AFFECTED BY THIS!!!

You probably do not want to squish, which would do that to them. Saw that some nematodes retreated towards roots, when starved for water. Not sure if DD does. Adults are 1.5 mm, and larvae .3 mm, in length, and transparent. Diseased spots on plants, are best to test.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I am pretty sure I saw a helicopter spraying nematode eggs over cannabis patches in Northern California, I assume that it is the DEA, and I can't help but wonder how long have they been doing this???
I have also noticed that the nematodes seemed much worse when CAMP was flying around, coincidence or more? With DNA testing we can confirm all the nematodes are from the exact same source, and catch the bastards behind this evil plot.
Or maybe it was botrytris they were spraying? Or Fusarium? We know the DEA are evil and our plants are in trouble, any connections?
Just some comic relief, we are our own worst enemies, too many obtain and pass around pests and diseases like a merry-go-round, round and round.
But I think we are getting closer to one source of Dud's, now lets get rid of them all, once their ID has been confirmed. And also find any sources of the bastards so we can deal with them, be it from seeds, "clones", soil, or wherever. I wonder how many of these infested clones/plants were planted in the ground to spread nematodes far and wide? Not that they need our help.......

-SamS

 

[stoney917]

Where r the dud veg pics...

 

[Loose Cannon]

I am pretty sure I saw a helicopter spraying nematode eggs over cannabis patches in Northern California, I assume that it is the DEA, and I can't help but wonder how long have they been doing this???
I have also noticed that the nematodes seemed much worse when CAMP was flying around, coincidence or more? With DNA testing we can confirm all the nematodes are from the exact same source, and catch the bastards behind this evil plot.
Or maybe it was botrytris they were spraying? Or Fusarium? We know the DEA are evil and our plants are in trouble, any connections?
Just some comic relief, we are our own worst enemies, too many obtain and pass around pests and diseases like a merry-go-round, round and round.
But I think we are getting closer to one source of Dud's, now lets get rid of them all, once their ID has been confirmed. And also find any sources of the bastards so we can deal with them, be it from seeds, "clones", soil, or wherever. I wonder how many of these infested clones/plants were planted in the ground to spread nematodes far and wide? Not that they need our help.......

-SamS

How they gonna withstand a fall from 8-10 thousand feet? Duh[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

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[Sam_Skunkman]

How they gonna withstand a fall from 8-10 thousand feet? Duh[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]View Image[/FONT]

They were in a helicopter not a jet......
I think they were less then 100 feet. And had tiny parachutes....
For sure.....
-SamS

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Sam

I don`t think its a DEA plan .
But... it is the USA we are talking about . They do , do some crazy things to their own citizens over there . MK ULTRA , Tuskegee Syphilis etc .

http://journal-neo.org/2014/08/25/rus-bakterii-iz-ssha-ugrozhayut-sredizemnomor-yu/

Very disturbing information has emerged recently in several foreign news outlets: the bacterium Xylella fastidiosa is threatening to destroy the centuries-old olive trees in Italy. According to The Daily Mail newspaper, the microbe, which was previously located only in America, has already infected 800,000 olive trees in the municipality of Salento, located in the Italian province of Apulia.

The province produces more than a third of the national harvest of olives, i.e. about 11 million tons of olives per year. The produced varieties of olive oil in Apulia are among the best in the world. The epidemic has already cost the producers nearly 250 million Euros and it is expected that losses will only continue to increase. As noted by Angelo Corsetti, the representative of the Italian agricultural organization Coldiretti, the Italian olive oil producers now need to create a sanitary zone covering an area of 8,000 hectares, where olive trees will have to be destroyed.
Experts and farmers of the Mediterranean are also trying to figure out why the United States, actively developing its biological defense system (BDS) on its own territory and abroad, failed to timely localize the spreading of the epidemic, since, to some extent, the US bears responsibility for allowing the epidemic to spread beyond its borders. Previously, the bacterium was located only on the American continent.

By constantly expanding the BDS, the United States is actively connecting new states to the program and in 2012 alone spent more than 60 million dollars for these purposes. In recent years, the White House has engaged several countries to the program, which involves several hundred Pentagon created biological laboratories located abroad; the countries include Afghanistan, Pakistan, Burundi, Kenya, Uganda, India, Iraq, Tanzania, South Africa, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. The people of these countries cooperating with the United States under the BSO program are not being informed of the Pentagon’s secret projects in this field. Work under the BDS program is carried out with the active participation of the Pentagon and American intelligence services. And the result, as is the case with the spreading of the Xylella fastidiosa bacterium, makes you wonder about the genuine goals and directions of the BDS program implemented by the US government and paid for by American taxpayers.

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Holy shit I just confirmed nematodes inside of a dud plants stem.

I took the outer layer of a badly affected plants stem near the base and threw it under 200x microscope... and boom! Instantly saw them flopping around.

Great job SS. FUCK...

BTW these fucks just took out a 12kw room of mine, chopped what I could yesterday at day 32. Coco beds. I think high temps increase their activity.

i couldn't see anything in mine…how hard was it to look for.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE POST A DAMN PIC OF A VEGGING DUD PLANT or any kind of visible damage from confirmed nematodes. i spent the last 30 minutes searching this thread and there are only pics of nematode damage on onions and other shit, not cannabis.

i dont have any galls or brown spots, just some GG cuts seem to be less vigorous and weaker stems, but could be other issues.

 

[whatthe215]

TK, healthy vs. dud. obviously dud on the right

dud GG4, from LA Cup

 

[whatthe215]

same dudded GG4 before deficiency got bad under HID lighting. stays green under T5s. floppin

here's the deficiencys starting on a cut from dud GG4, sorta looks like early mag right?

someones GSC doing the dud flop

dud on the left, relatively normal on the right. duds just keep throwing pistils, calyxes never swell properly.

 

[CaliGabe]

My friend's Glue looked perfect. No anomalies I could tell. 1 of 12 plants and all about 7-8'. I did research and buy a good scope for a friend last year and will sample some stem material as recommended here if anything unusual shows up. Looks like his is fine though and definitely pre-cup stock.

 

[whatthe215]

pulled from Storm Shadows album, here's the first obvious sign of dudding rearing it's ugly head in flower. sometimes they look healthy in veg and get real bad once flipped.

if you see this light green growth on nugs, dud

progressing...

 

[whatthe215]

structure differences, dudded is on the right. notice difference in leaf size and compact, bushy witches broom like node stacking.

top view, dud on left this time.

 

[CaliGabe]

pulled from Storm Shadows album, here's the first obvious sign of dudding rearing it's ugly head in flower. sometimes they look healthy in veg and get real bad once flipped.

if you see this light green growth on nugs, dud

Thx for reposting that. Was going to take cuts from my friend's plant yet gonna wait till it's done flowering outdoors. I can always go back to his source still holding the cut.

 

[amannamedtruth]

anyone been measuring the ph of the rootzone?

 

[HUGE]

pulled from Storm Shadows album, here's the first obvious sign of dudding rearing it's ugly head in flower. sometimes they look healthy in veg and get real bad once flipped.

if you see this light green growth on nugs, dud
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Those last pics of theglue sugar leaves goinf yellow .are exactly what I experienced on the Dudd sour Dubb.

 

[acridlab]

Yeah, I swear I have had plants show the same synptoms, due to high ph and low calcium,, thus inviting pythium.. once corrected, it's back to normal.. but I'm sure you guys have been checking ph with these said duds.. peace

 

[papaduc]

 

[whatthe215]

give it a rest duc.

 

[papaduc]

And as I say that, whatthe215 has gathered the pictures that are in this thread, all of which are perfect examples of what I said above.

Look at these plants:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=53950&pictureid=1258582

Apparently this is what dudding looks like. And by dudding we mean something caused by factors out of our control, such as pests we can't see without a 200x scope.

This is not what caused this plant to grow this way. I know this for a fact because it has happened to me enough times because I regularly reveg clones from flowering plants.

Even if you wanted to explore different reasons than cultivation practices, the first question you would have to ask is, if this was caused by a pest, were the clones taken from the same mother, and if so, what are the chances that these organisms were present in only one cut and didn't spread throughout the entire cloning or growth phase.

Neither of these plants has been well vegged. In fact, if there was just a simple answer to this one example, it'd make my post a lot easier to write.

The harsh reality is, when I see pictures like this, it's testament to how easy and forgiving a plant cannabis is to grow, and how it will continue to develop even when it's conditions for good structural growth are not met on any level.

What you called the "dud flop" is a plant falling over because it's branches have elongated and been allowed to grow in a way which could never support even a few grams of weight. In this instance you cannot be surprised when the grow doesn't turn out well. If they were my plants I would not flower them, let alone be expecting them to yield.

In a nutshell, there is such an obvious issue with the way in which this plant has been grown, that to call it a dud, and imply that it was beyond the growers control to do anything about it, I can say for sure is completely wrong.

The cause of plants which look like this under performing when they eventually go into flower, is firmly rooted in plant biology and is something which needs to be understood and fully appreciated before people can expect to see grow after grow do well.