another question.i want to try and force my outdoor plant to flower like you do in the cab. if i take clones should i bring them in for 24 hour light or clone them out doors. has anyone ever tried this. my reasoning is it is way to hot in my garage to put a cabinet in until fall. i want to try 4 in a black garbage can that i take off for 12 hours in the day.
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***DrBud Takes CFL SOG to the Next Level***
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Hey Doc Bud!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience! I have read your other thread with the 210 watts of CFL (it was great!), and am now immersed in your current garden diary. My questions are generated from your other thread, but will help out with any cabinet using CFL bulbs.
A question: Does the ballast from a 42 watt CFL bulb give off more heat than the ballast of a 23 watt CFL bulb? I realize we’re talking miniscule measurements here, but what I am interested in is the cumulative effect of numerous bulbs. You likely haven’t done these measurements yourself, but have you run across this info in your cabinet construction endeavors?
Does the heat given off a ballast change depending on the wattage of that ballast? Or is it a situation where there is a standard heat released per "watt of power," which would result in the same heat released for 250 watts of CFL's used, no matter if there were six 42 watt'ers or eleven 23 watt'ers used. Hope that makes sense, I'm not quite sure as I read it back to myself.
That being said, was there any particular reason you chose to use 42 watt bulbs instead of 23 watt bulbs? It would have been quite a bit cheaper to use ten 23 watt bulbs (about $2 each), than using five 42 watt bulbs (about $12 each).
Thanks for everything you do and all the time you spend here on IC helping us grow our girls.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience! I have read your other thread with the 210 watts of CFL (it was great!), and am now immersed in your current garden diary. My questions are generated from your other thread, but will help out with any cabinet using CFL bulbs.
A question: Does the ballast from a 42 watt CFL bulb give off more heat than the ballast of a 23 watt CFL bulb? I realize we’re talking miniscule measurements here, but what I am interested in is the cumulative effect of numerous bulbs. You likely haven’t done these measurements yourself, but have you run across this info in your cabinet construction endeavors?
Does the heat given off a ballast change depending on the wattage of that ballast? Or is it a situation where there is a standard heat released per "watt of power," which would result in the same heat released for 250 watts of CFL's used, no matter if there were six 42 watt'ers or eleven 23 watt'ers used. Hope that makes sense, I'm not quite sure as I read it back to myself.
That being said, was there any particular reason you chose to use 42 watt bulbs instead of 23 watt bulbs? It would have been quite a bit cheaper to use ten 23 watt bulbs (about $2 each), than using five 42 watt bulbs (about $12 each).
Thanks for everything you do and all the time you spend here on IC helping us grow our girls.
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Maj.PotHead said:well after reading this whole who can piss the farthest thread and watching a old member being warned i almost didnt reply. cfl's can produce nice buds but i call BS on your 2-4 grams per watt cfl growing cfl's dont have the power to penertrate the canopy more then afew inchs. and you pack 72 plants in there cfl's work better when thier between 1-4inch from plants tops this achieves the densest nugs. you claim to pull better weight GPW with cfl's then most do with HID again i call BS
when you have balls of steel and pull this off
i'll have the respect for you like i do with Lou i read both threads and you brougth it apon yourself like i am myself by replying to this pissn contest. i lay my money down and say your weights are wet not dry
k+ Maj.PotHead, I could not believe my eyes when I saw Lougrew! getting warned
shit, I am having trouble with my new CFL vegging system and started to read this thread and I thought Lou's advice was on-point, but whatever... lol crazy world.Paz.
hippie hill
Member
420w cfl grow
420w cfl grow
hey doc i got my cabs starting up i have 15 clones off 4 plants 2 are norther light females the other 2 are bag seeds and the sex is unknowin and i also have 49 bag seeds in seed starter mix they are workin on poping there lil heads out
well my ? is would you be willing to tell us what your super secret cloning hormone is?
heres a link to my thread
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1813797#post1813797
420w cfl grow
hey doc i got my cabs starting up i have 15 clones off 4 plants 2 are norther light females the other 2 are bag seeds and the sex is unknowin and i also have 49 bag seeds in seed starter mix they are workin on poping there lil heads out
well my ? is would you be willing to tell us what your super secret cloning hormone is?
heres a link to my thread
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1813797#post1813797
ZoSo
Member
Orga_Nerd said:
Only if your ambient temps are extremely low. It depends on cab design among other things, but 60 cfm is probably not enough. Also, pc fans don't work well under pressure. Even if you don't have a scrubber it still has to pull the air all the way from the other end of the cab and pc fans aren't designed for that.
HinduKushed_423
Member
sorry to say, this stuff is unwarrented. degrades the thread and reps of all involved in my eyes. 
well nuff bout that, lets smoke
well nuff bout that, lets smoke
InPotiTrust
Active member
ZoSo said:
I'm sorry but this is wrong as pc fans are built to move alot of hot air(think server cases) and can be very good even with a scrubber long as u have the proper cfm.Orga_Nerd I would say take a look at 120mm case fans with about 110 cfms or more as 2 would work out well and cheap.
petemoss
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InPotiTrust said:
What Zoso said was right. Axial fans are good at Pushing air but cannot Pull air against static pressure, as through a duct. For that, you need a centrifugal fan or a squirrel cage Dayton like DrBud uses. You can combine two axial fans to increase the amount of air Pushed and that may be good enough for a small box.
Here's a chart comparing fans:
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InPotiTrust
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It seems speaking from ones own experience and trial and error means nothing but a chart to say i'm wrong and it can't be done.But if your willing to use your head then look up Red_Greenery as that was my first cab(so sad hes not here anymore).
axial fans may not be best, but they definitely work well. ive been running a 65 cfm pc fan pulling air through my carbon filter for almost 2 years and have had no problems and temps stay in check. get a fan rated for more than you think you need and it will work great.
Orga_Nerd, go with a higher rated fan like InPotITrust said and you will be fine.
Orga_Nerd, go with a higher rated fan like InPotITrust said and you will be fine.
try clonex gel or olivias clone gel, gels are better then powder as powder comes off in water gels adhears to the plant and prevent stems from dryn out keeps them wet longer.hippie hill said:
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Orga_Nerd
That sounds like some good advice.Maj.PotHead said:
Thanks for the help everyone.
Unfortunately i bought 2 80mm fans to push a total of 60cfm. Oh and there is no ducting. just pvc connecting mother/clone room to the flower room.
I am using cfl's as well. My ambient temps are never more than 72f. It is a dresser set up and i have limited space for placing exhaust.
Has anyone set up exhaust on a swinging door?
Thanks guys
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softy 12pack
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hey i had a emergency, i broke my top off trying to lst to much. it was the top 4 inches all in preflower. so i had choped it up into 4 peices to try to root them. i couldnt remember dr buds cloning methed sumpthing like put in perlite1 inch of water set for 48 hours.. i forget the rest and couldnt find the post he made,can someone help me. i need cloning help and i'm already trying the perlite right now. i broke it at day 8 from first sight of hair pistols. i can clone the broke top ok right? well i am trying anyways.
HomeDepot or walmart have superthrive hormone.
HomeDepot or walmart have superthrive hormone.
hippie hill
Member
"Take a 1"-1.5" cutting....cut at an angle....dip it in Rooting powder....put it in a 3oz cup of perlite...NO MISTING EVER....Place in 100% Humidity enviroment..air blown in once per day until ya' see "Yellowing"indicating that they have rooted and then start hardning them off a lil' at a time til the lid is off...water with 1/2 strength ferts(everyday)....as soon as I see any growth...into a bottle they go and into the box" this was said by the dr himself on his Compact SOG with CFL's thread post #42
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Your logic is seriously flawed.InPotiTrust said:
I've tried it, and it sucks. These little 12V DC axial "PC fans" are literally the worst possible types of fans you could possibly buy (the 110/120V AC version is much better) for a grow...InPotiTrust said:
That said, I've used a 6" inline duct-mounted version (aka SunCourt duct booster fan) to air-cool a 400w on my first grow (necked down to 4"). It worked, but I'll never buy another one again. Yet more money wasted down the drain Doing It Wrong.
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InPotiTrust
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clowntown said:Your logic is seriously flawed.
I've tried it, and it sucks. These little 12V DC axial "PC fans" are literally the worst possible types of fans you could possibly buy (the 110/120V AC version is much better) for a grow...
That said, I've used a 6" inline duct-mounted version (aka SunCourt duct booster fan) to air-cool a 400w on my first grow (necked down to 4"). It worked, but I'll never buy another one again. Yet more money wasted down the drain Doing It Wrong.
U say my logic is seriously flawed but to imply that would mean u must know alot about me such as where i work,how i behave and how my personality is so then u would know i must be an idiot.You made your own mistake from not properly designing your space as if u took your time u would of known that using a inline duct fan to cool a 400w is a big no no as those can't even cool a 150w hps much less.High Cfm rated fans are easy to be had and very cheap so if u did some research and planing for your 400w u would of been fine.
Edit:I'm very sorry Doc as it seems to be a trend for the guys that do big grows to talk down to us micro growers
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You're funny, InPotiTrust. I don't talk down to anyone, or look up to anyone, based on wattage. Lately it seems to be a trend that noobs who don't know what they're doing use this as a first-line of defense for Doing It Wrong. I respect a lot of micro-growers, noob and experienced alike; there are quite a few large-wattage growers that I disrespect as well (but I won't go into names or any of that). You're disputing commonly known facts as if you know it all, when the reality is that you don't really have any experience to draw on that strong of an opinion.
Will PC fans work? Maybe, but why make life (and growing) harder than it needs to be? Just because you can bang rocks together to make fire doesn't mean that's how people should light up a bong every time. I choose to use a lighter; a Bic lighter, preferably.
My 6" SunCourt worked fine for what I needed, and cooled a 400w fine. But it was loud as hell and it couldn't run a scrubber, not that I really needed one. I thought 300cfm (for example) was 300cfm, any way you cut it. Obviously had I done a bit more homework, I would have realized all this, but being a first-time noob I was in a bit too much of a hurry to get started. CFM ratings mean really nothing unless you use them for their exact intended purpose.
Even with that, I feel my first grow was much better in design (even in the air-cooling) than this 12VDC fan solution. I'm more than confident that my 6" SunCourt solution is far superior and has much stronger logic than what you're spewing. But I mention this only since you want to talk about my failures and shortcomings.
If you have some information to share, please do so; but stop trying to defend your weak sauce logic with "this guy is talking down to us" crap. Check out my posts; I give and receive respect from folks of all sizes of grows and all levels of experience. I tell things just like they are, and I don't need to sugar-coat for you why you're wrong. If you can't handle it, there's always the ignore feature...
So go ahead, keep talking about "big wattage growers talking down to small wattage growers". I've had this same exact attitude from when I grew 400w, 'til 4000w and I have 3200+ posts to prove it.
Will PC fans work? Maybe, but why make life (and growing) harder than it needs to be? Just because you can bang rocks together to make fire doesn't mean that's how people should light up a bong every time. I choose to use a lighter; a Bic lighter, preferably.
My 6" SunCourt worked fine for what I needed, and cooled a 400w fine. But it was loud as hell and it couldn't run a scrubber, not that I really needed one. I thought 300cfm (for example) was 300cfm, any way you cut it. Obviously had I done a bit more homework, I would have realized all this, but being a first-time noob I was in a bit too much of a hurry to get started. CFM ratings mean really nothing unless you use them for their exact intended purpose.
Even with that, I feel my first grow was much better in design (even in the air-cooling) than this 12VDC fan solution. I'm more than confident that my 6" SunCourt solution is far superior and has much stronger logic than what you're spewing. But I mention this only since you want to talk about my failures and shortcomings.
If you have some information to share, please do so; but stop trying to defend your weak sauce logic with "this guy is talking down to us" crap. Check out my posts; I give and receive respect from folks of all sizes of grows and all levels of experience. I tell things just like they are, and I don't need to sugar-coat for you why you're wrong. If you can't handle it, there's always the ignore feature...
So go ahead, keep talking about "big wattage growers talking down to small wattage growers". I've had this same exact attitude from when I grew 400w, 'til 4000w and I have 3200+ posts to prove it.
InPotiTrust
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Ok, so what is a cab? A box full of hot air. What is a pc? A box full of hot air. Where is the flaw in logic?What does post count have to do with anything all u did just now was point out what type of person u are as to resort to giving negative rep and name callin that brings nuttin to the table.You should of also posted this here if your gona put me down "i admitted i made a mistake as a noob; first grow, didnt do my homework as much as i should have. i thought 400cfm was 400cfm, no matter. but thanks for making useless points, 'cuz you're still wrong and you're still a moron".
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