Do (some, many) Icmag Members Have A Science Problem?

[skullznroses]

the more you know about the world the less you can know about yourself

could also be interpreted as the more you know about science the less you know about god

peace

 

[devilgoob]

Oh. So my noble use of a solar panel, instead of burning things unnaturally and taking things from Earth isn't good enough for you? They were solar lights that people were throwing away. Now I gather free energy and charge AAA and AA, cell phones and my PDA.

Once we had to ability to make choices with our bicameral minds, the minds that have alternate thoughts so you can make a choice, rather than instinctually down a one-way thought pattern, lends us to be able to make decisions. Otherwise you'd react. You'd be like a leaf in the sun turning toward it. Although the leaf is interacting, it has only one choice really. Monkeys are like this also. They do not, on purpose kill themselves or inhale smoke until they are taught or screwed with.

We have really powerful tools called minds and mine will give the world what it wants. It was said in the bible (just another resource) that Lucifer posited that the reason people obey is that you give them everything they want. God took him up on that. Metaphorically this can be seen as an instinctual animal fulfilled physically, and Lucifer being the physical world leader would say that, because people pay attention to what's in front of them and react accordingly that they are not building up a DNA pattern to pervade and be strong. They will fill themselves, not others. Their ego operates on physicality. No food? Eat someone, or someone else's food. No money? Steal it.

There is a pattern we must develop to transcend our stupid natural responses and use our minds to image a stronger future as we are weak. So at your weakest, even you can give. If you're the poorest, don't take. People understand themselves as a body, but genetically we are similar to others and share a bond that is actually one big (spirit?). Just like an ant colony is like. Well, anyway, a body, ego or mind are temporary, but the virtues and patterns carry on. If we carry a pattern of owning to ourselves, our ego and the like...we will care too much how we look. Eat a lot. Be jealous instead of grow. Dump trash and infect life. Stare at a TV screen, so you don't realize your life force during the day is making cash (that buys food, shelther) for big-wigs. Totally absolve purpose AKA you work in a factory or something VS You trade and operate on your own to give your strengths to community and society. Now they have propriety over those works. The individual who are skilled themselves to complete them can't. They need to work for money, and a factory producing a lot, paying little will beat you out and will not have near the level of expertise, care, values and purpose that an individual communing his resources to others rather than a Corporation taking propriety over that process.

-Devilsocietalwealthmultipliarian

 

[Weird]

I don't think it's possible to know totally what is in someone's head. And I sure don't claim to know the workings of your mind. But your statements indicate to me that you're reading something into this discussion that no one else sees.

reading minds is tough but understanding causation and human nature is not that difficult

many people are very very good at it from salespeople to psychologists to marketing majors, these people all make money because of their understanding of human behavior.

most people don't realize the power of this paradigm and how badly it is exploited to control them

I do not manipulate people's perceptions for my own benefit, I refuse to

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

reading minds is tough but understanding causation and human nature is not that difficult

many people are very very good at it from salespeople to psychologists to marketing majors, these people all make money because of their understanding of human behavior.

most people don't realize the power of this paradigm and how badly it is exploited to control them

I do not manipulate people's perceptions for my own benefit, I refuse to

Never accused you of that. We seem to be talking past one another here, having two separate conversations.

 

[Weird]

Never accused you of that. We seem to be talking past one another here, having two separate conversations.

are we?

If I read you right you are trying to make an argument that science is it's own entity, that outside of us it is exacting and that it can be used safely in that connotation and that our human nature is what is unpredictable

I do not agree, the reality of the universe is exact, our perceptions based on our senses are not, science helps up actualize the true reality beyond our senses but it does not create it, in fact science is often incomplete because it is in its infancy in regards to actualizing the true reality of the universe in which we live

our humanity is universal as is our human nature although how we express it may be different due to different "inputs" it remains contextually relative to the potential humanity within us

if regards to different levels of humanity I suggest you read this

the ten spiritual realms of buddhism because if nothing else it will illustrate on some level the universal humanity i speak of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_spiritual_realms

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

Science, ultimately, is the search for truth. It does this by employing the scientific method, the best tool for expanding knowledge that we human's have ever devised. As we use the scientific method over time we learn new information, and discard the older (formerly true) information. Sometimes the scientists involved become enamored of their own life's work and cling to it in the face of new evidence. Of course this is wrong...but it's one of the many human deficiencies. It's not the individual scientists that are important...it's the process of the scientific method and each new piece of information that is learned by using it.

To those not familiar with the scientific method (and it seems there are many on this board who aren't), you have no hope of understanding science. These are the people who don't trust science...because the products of the scientific method are always changing. Well, that's just part of the process of learning. This process requires that we value truth, and learning, and are willing to invest the extra mental energy that expanding our knowledge takes. That extra mental energy spent is well worth it for those who really care about what makes our world tick. Quite similar to spending a bit of extra effort in doing some exercise....if we don't exercise in our later years look what happens....our health deteriorates and life becomes painful.

In my opinion, SCIENCE is the search for the ultimate truth(s). As such, it is also the search for God, because God is, if anything, the final word. Faith based religions are a human construct, and are perfect for controlling it's adherents lives. Don't use your God given intellect to understand your world....just have faith that your religion (and it's human controllers) have your best intentions at heart.

AS GOD IS MY WITNESS I AM GOING TO POST THIS IN MY SIG WHEN I GET THINGS GOING WITH MY GARDEN AGAIN.

THIS IS THE VERY FUCKING FACT IVE TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO PPL IN VARIOS THREADS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. EVERYTHING HAS A PROCESS, ESPECIALLY THINGS LIKE . . . .HMMMM . . . .OH LETS SAY "BREEDING SEEDS" FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES;

PROPERLY: GETTING RESULTS

PROPERLY: GETTING/FINDING THE BEST PLANTS TO USE

PROPERLY: GETTING THE GREATEST RESULTS POSSIBLE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE

AND NOT DOING THIS POLLEN CHUCKIN', SCRATCHnSNIFF BREEDING BULLSHIT THAT MOST CLOWNS ARE DOING OUT HERE. AND THEN THEY GO INTO THIS F1, S2 TALK AS THOUGH THEY ACTUALLY DOING SOME MANNER OF "RESEARCH" TO GET THIER RESULTING SEEDS WHEN THERE IS SOOOOOOO MUCH MORE TO LEARN AND OBTAIN DATA ON, SO MANY OTHER PARAMETERS TO OBSERVE/TEST/RESEARCH/EVALUATE TO GET THE NECESSARY INFORMATION TO OBTAIN OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE.

CHANTING, SKULL FUCKING CRYSTALS, DRY HUMPING TREES, BURNING INCENSE IN YOUR GARDEN AND PLAYING YOUR PLANTS MUSIC ARE NOT ASPECTS OF SCIENCE!!!!

 

[xmobotx]

I AGREE THAT IS A VERY POIGNANT POST!!!!

 

[Donald Mallard]

Sounds good to me ,
but lets not be dispelling that crystal skull method so fast,
might be more to that than meets the eye??

 

[xmobotx]

that crystal skull vodka is actually pretty good stuff

 

[greenmatter]

that crystal skull vodka is actually pretty good stuff

costs more than AN gear ....... so it must be


fuckin awesomely bitchin cool bottle too

 

[bentom187]

if any one is interested in further reading, here is a good book on the subject, its affordable too, I think I only had to pay 10 FRN's for mine.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

This shit is still going on? I would have thought that everyone's Bunsen burners would have ran out of gas by now.

 

[Enchantre]

Science?

Well, I LOVE "Big Bang Theory", and also "Numb3rs"

That counts, right?

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

that crystal skull vodka is actually pretty good stuff

I plan to turn one of those bottles into a pipe when I get one, just gotta figure out where I should/want to drill the hole for the mouthpiece tubing.

how much do those things run anyway

 

[komodod]

Oh. So my noble use of a solar panel, instead of burning things unnaturally and taking things from Earth isn't good enough for you? They were solar lights that people were throwing away. Now I gather free energy and charge AAA and AA, cell phones and my PDA.

Once we had to ability to make choices with our bicameral minds, the minds that have alternate thoughts so you can make a choice, rather than instinctually down a one-way thought pattern, lends us to be able to make decisions. Otherwise you'd react. You'd be like a leaf in the sun turning toward it. Although the leaf is interacting, it has only one choice really. Monkeys are like this also. They do not, on purpose kill themselves or inhale smoke until they are taught or screwed with.

We have really powerful tools called minds and mine will give the world what it wants. It was said in the bible (just another resource) that Lucifer posited that the reason people obey is that you give them everything they want. God took him up on that. Metaphorically this can be seen as an instinctual animal fulfilled physically, and Lucifer being the physical world leader would say that, because people pay attention to what's in front of them and react accordingly that they are not building up a DNA pattern to pervade and be strong. They will fill themselves, not others. Their ego operates on physicality. No food? Eat someone, or someone else's food. No money? Steal it.

There is a pattern we must develop to transcend our stupid natural responses and use our minds to image a stronger future as we are weak. So at your weakest, even you can give. If you're the poorest, don't take. People understand themselves as a body, but genetically we are similar to others and share a bond that is actually one big (spirit?). Just like an ant colony is like. Well, anyway, a body, ego or mind are temporary, but the virtues and patterns carry on. If we carry a pattern of owning to ourselves, our ego and the like...we will care too much how we look. Eat a lot. Be jealous instead of grow. Dump trash and infect life. Stare at a TV screen, so you don't realize your life force during the day is making cash (that buys food, shelther) for big-wigs. Totally absolve purpose AKA you work in a factory or something VS You trade and operate on your own to give your strengths to community and society. Now they have propriety over those works. The individual who are skilled themselves to complete them can't. They need to work for money, and a factory producing a lot, paying little will beat you out and will not have near the level of expertise, care, values and purpose that an individual communing his resources to others rather than a Corporation taking propriety over that process.

-Devilsocietalwealthmultipliarian

funny post because most of what you speak about is survival such as stealing food if you are hungry etc.

survival instic makes you stronger not weaker. if your survival instinct was weak, you wouldn't survive in the real worl so you wouldn't be in existence to contemplate greed or whatever else. the fact that your ancestors stole food and survived is the only reason you are even here to contemplate stealing is even wrong. its hypocrisy.

btw god doesn't exist.

 

[xmobotx]

FRIENDinDEED my sis-in-law bought 1 for me a couple years back & it was around $40 for like a pint @ this point i haz the bottle as something of a knick-knack inasmuch as i dont do much drink'n i would be afraid to tamper w/ it on account of if i broke it i wouldnt probably replace it

 

[devilgoob]

And I quote myself "Metaphorically this can be seen as an instinctual animalfulfilled physically, and Lucifer being the physical world leader would say that, because people pay attention to what's in front of them and react accordingly."

Nice instinctual reaction. Maybe if you'd read more about how I believe the universe is/are my way of interpreting what relgious people think of god. You speak like if science exists, religion is void of all understanding. I have an esoteric understanding using metaphors in relgion and finding their scientific match.

you thought would be mean and tell me that god doesn't exist, when I actually understand the title is a metaphor for what exists that science is explaining?

You think science and personifiable intepretations of those phenomena cannot exist and be believed at the same time. You must be highly politcally polarized to one party also and hate independents, using their minds rather than forming a blind adherence to one side.

Plus, you believe in stealing. But there are two people here involved, one stealing another's work. I don't believe in that - alternately I believe in giving. You should pay homage to ancestors, but realize you're like them a lot, but can also make choices and therefore different than the men's strengths, intellect and virtues from which you were constructed.

 

[purple_man]

@komodod: could be, BUT first if hes forefathers/mothers been raping/looting n pilaging, and a couple of generations down the line, the sibbling figures out, that the above stated behavior is not right and tries to change it, why is it a hypocrisy? since when did highly dynamic systems become static in nature? (as in if your forefathers been looting and raping, you have to do it too...). the survival instinct has got it's place in nature, still lots and lots of folks during history sacrificed themselves in order to help someone else or for a "bigger plan" no matter what the blueprint of that plan looks like, hence if the instinct always had the "last word" none of this would/could have happened? also, how come you know as a fact that god does not exist???

for such a statement to hold any weight, the person uttering it, would be pre-requested to have access to ABSOLUTE information/data/knowledge and no disrespect intended but, i don't think any human being will be able to ever access absolute information/knowledge to even a single topic, much less absolute knowledge/understanding of all things that are (or can you tell me the exact number of planets in existence right now???)

blessss

 

[komodod]

@komodod: could be, BUT first if hes forefathers/mothers been raping/looting n pilaging, and a couple of generations down the line, the sibbling figures out, that the above stated behavior is not right and tries to change it, why is it a hypocrisy? since when did highly dynamic systems become static in nature? (as in if your forefathers been looting and raping, you have to do it too...). the survival instinct has got it's place in nature, still lots and lots of folks during history sacrificed themselves in order to help someone else or for a "bigger plan" no matter what the blueprint of that plan looks like, hence if the instinct always had the "last word" none of this would/could have happened? also, how come you know as a fact that god does not exist???

for such a statement to hold any weight, the person uttering it, would be pre-requested to have access to ABSOLUTE information/data/knowledge and no disrespect intended but, i don't think any human being will be able to ever access absolute information/knowledge to even a single topic, much less absolute knowledge/understanding of all things that are (or can you tell me the exact number of planets in existence right now???)

blessss

I said god doesn't exist because I was being provocative I guess lol. plus I don't believe in god so its my opinion which can also not be proved or disproved apart from the actual written history which lead to most religions being invented... but that's another subject.

if his forefathers had not raped, his mother wouldn't of got pregnant and thus he wouldn't exist to even contemplate whether it was right or wrong morally.
the main statement I was trying to address that devilgoob said- ''There is a pattern we must develop to transcend our stupid natural responses and use our minds to image a stronger future as we are weak.''
I don't think our natural responses are weak, its these strong natural responses which lead to our existence on this date. and I do believe that it is hypocrisy to make a comment like that when it is by Darwinian means that we have been lead to this existence to even make that comment.

although he can think this is wrong and change the way he lives his life, he couldn't deny that evolution and survival of the strongest and fittest (theory of evolution) led him to be in existence,
nor could he deny that his feelings towards these acts will mean that he will never be in a position where he may need to kill or steal to survive. trust me when you are in the position and just trying to survive, your morals will soon go out of the window just so that you will preserve your life.

we have to brains to be good and moral and try to be a perfect human being. I agree. but by your standards of our comprehension and understanding of the universe relating to god, as you put it, we really don't have the full understanding of anything enough to access absolute information/knowledge to even a single topic even the one which we are discussing. we can only access anything on the relative knowledge we have. even the word ''topic'' starts to lose its meaning.


sorry if that sounded like a rant.. jmho.

 

[Weird]

people get stuck on what cant be proven and this is unproductive

you cant prove definitely many of the beliefs held by the membership as a whole, scientific, dogmatic or otherwise

you can see the direct causation of those beliefs and how they effect a person's behavior and thus the prevailing reality born of it

since we have the free will to live according to our perception the true reality of the world is a reflection of everyone's beliefs through their actions

everyone's beliefs are relative at this point

the fact that we still are able to function to a greater extent, globally, synergistically, is proof that regardless of the difference in our perceptions we can still come to similar understandings and act in cooperatively