as usual im fucking lost in this soil conversation lol
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I have a really thick mulch layer of wood chips, straw, and oak leaves. The mulch is alive with different bugs, pill bugs, springtails, centipedes.
At first I was thinking that the bugs making insect frass and munching on the organic matter will throw the nutrient balance out.
But now I reckon they are just cycling what they were given to start with and there is some kind of stability.
@moses wellfleet - You reckon correctly. They are just cycling. I like seeing my soil living and crawling with things, as long as the plants are healthy, then I don't worry about it.
This particular cycle has come to an end. I harvested everything - a total of 24 plants. It should have been more - but some never really rooted properly or performed and were pulled earlier in the cycle - NOT - a true 32 plant SOG like I would like to do yet.
However, after this run, I'm fairly convinced, regardless the veg time required, a double screen SCROG is the most practical application for me in this situation.
After getting everything hung up, the Mochiesel is certainly the stand out in the group. She's an amazing purple. The London Loud - showed some minor sensitivities later in flower. A few nanners popped up here and there - but I do think that is grower error - ALL THE SAME - they are more sensitive plants than the Mochiesel is. I noticed that in how they grew from the beginning. They don't like being overfed and the leaves curl easily, but they hate be underfed even worse. London Loud, suffered a very slight bit of light bleaching on the upper most parts of #2 and #9. If you didn't know that is what you were looking at, then you wouldn't know - but it's present. These HGLED XB200 are oddly bright. I started off with that thought and I'll stick with it. The plants respond to it quite well.
For there only being 2 x 200w panels, I'm fairly impressed by the output. I'm fairly certain there is some where between 11-13oz hanging right now. That is fairly standard from what I'd expect from a 400w HPS - the quality does appear to be superior though to standard HPS. If the canopy was properly maintained, that same space could be 1-1.25 in a more well maintained room, maybe 1.5 in a dialed monocrop. I don't see these lights producing 2# - I do think 2# is possible with CMH.
I'm still going to move forward with expanding my flowering area to allow me to run both lighting sets. I'll build another 2.5' x 5' area for flowering. I feel that is appropriate for the lamps to get the degree of quality I am after.
I'll post some finished shots later, but things don't look that much different if at all than the last pictures I posted. I think there is more value in posting pictures of individual when things are fully dry. I'll likely group final flower shots with each dried nug shot.
The Mochiesel #9 - is a beast of a plant. I'd not be surprised to so slightly over 3 oz from those plants - there were 4 and one was sort of a wimpy clone that never really performed. I think it might be capable of .75-1oz per plant in a SOG set up even under the LED - if it was really performing.
Numbers and round 4 coming up. Nothing but love and respect to all of you.
dank.Frank
This particular cycle has come to an end. I harvested everything - a total of 24 plants. It should have been more - but some never really rooted properly or performed and were pulled earlier in the cycle - NOT - a true 32 plant SOG like I would like to do yet.
However, after this run, I'm fairly convinced, regardless the veg time required, a double screen SCROG is the most practical application for me in this situation.
After getting everything hung up, the Mochiesel is certainly the stand out in the group. She's an amazing purple. The London Loud - showed some minor sensitivities later in flower. A few nanners popped up here and there - but I do think that is grower error - ALL THE SAME - they are more sensitive plants than the Mochiesel is. I noticed that in how they grew from the beginning. They don't like being overfed and the leaves curl easily, but they hate be underfed even worse. London Loud, suffered a very slight bit of light bleaching on the upper most parts of #2 and #9. If you didn't know that is what you were looking at, then you wouldn't know - but it's present. These HGLED XB200 are oddly bright. I started off with that thought and I'll stick with it. The plants respond to it quite well.
For there only being 2 x 200w panels, I'm fairly impressed by the output. I'm fairly certain there is some where between 11-13oz hanging right now. That is fairly standard from what I'd expect from a 400w HPS - the quality does appear to be superior though to standard HPS. If the canopy was properly maintained, that same space could be 1-1.25 in a more well maintained room, maybe 1.5 in a dialed monocrop. I don't see these lights producing 2# - I do think 2# is possible with CMH.
I'm still going to move forward with expanding my flowering area to allow me to run both lighting sets. I'll build another 2.5' x 5' area for flowering. I feel that is appropriate for the lamps to get the degree of quality I am after.
I'll post some finished shots later, but things don't look that much different if at all than the last pictures I posted. I think there is more value in posting pictures of individual when things are fully dry. I'll likely group final flower shots with each dried nug shot.
The Mochiesel #9 - is a beast of a plant. I'd not be surprised to so slightly over 3 oz from those plants - there were 4 and one was sort of a wimpy clone that never really performed. I think it might be capable of .75-1oz per plant in a SOG set up even under the LED - if it was really performing.
Numbers and round 4 coming up. Nothing but love and respect to all of you.
dank.Frank
Brotherhood OG Feb. 2013 @9wks:
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Mochiesel March 2020, @9wks:
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Can't really complain about anything he's ever suggested I grow. That's been the case for over a decade - when I first grew Happy Brother Bx1 back in 2009 or so.
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dank.Frank
Beauty brother! Hope all is well in your world!
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I actually turned my HGLED x42 off. I'm waiting till I get a small 2x2 tent for it. I had it in a 2.5'x3' chamber using it for veg. It really directs the 2x2 area straight down. Very little light reaches outside the footprint.
But it was making the plants grow too fast!
I had to keep topping the plants in that chamber, because I have blooming plants in the others two 3x3 tents.
Once I get the proper spaced tent, I'm going to try it out for bloom as well.
The way that my Chambers are set up, I have one sitting on top of the other inside a small closet. I have always used them for veg, because they aren't light tight between the two, so I can't flower one chamber with out flowering both.
Frank,
Forgetting all the history, if she was still around, would you spend your money on another of the lights you received?
I guess she isn't making my model anymore.
But it was making the plants grow too fast!
I had to keep topping the plants in that chamber, because I have blooming plants in the others two 3x3 tents.
Once I get the proper spaced tent, I'm going to try it out for bloom as well.
The way that my Chambers are set up, I have one sitting on top of the other inside a small closet. I have always used them for veg, because they aren't light tight between the two, so I can't flower one chamber with out flowering both.
Frank,
Forgetting all the history, if she was still around, would you spend your money on another of the lights you received?
I guess she isn't making my model anymore.
@ChemDgMillionre - things are indeed good. A couple new cuts under the dome you may be familiar with. More on that when and if they actually root. Should be any day now, I'm hoping! Fingers crossed.
@CannaRed - I'm not able to make any final conclusions on these lights yet. I can't truly say I have maximized their ability yet. I've also not put any flowers on the scale or smoked anything produced under these lights. Nor do I have any of the same plant grown under different lighting styles to really make that assessment fully.
The fact I'm going to expand the garden to keep them in operation should tell you I think they are worthy of use and growing with. Would I buy more? I really don't know. I'd really like to run a white "full spectrum" LED of a similar footprint and wattage - to see what the difference is between them and the 6 color spectrum of the HGLED.
dank.Frank
@CannaRed - I'm not able to make any final conclusions on these lights yet. I can't truly say I have maximized their ability yet. I've also not put any flowers on the scale or smoked anything produced under these lights. Nor do I have any of the same plant grown under different lighting styles to really make that assessment fully.
The fact I'm going to expand the garden to keep them in operation should tell you I think they are worthy of use and growing with. Would I buy more? I really don't know. I'd really like to run a white "full spectrum" LED of a similar footprint and wattage - to see what the difference is between them and the 6 color spectrum of the HGLED.
dank.Frank
Frank everything looks amazing broski. Those led’s sure do produce some frosty flowers. I’m not sure on what my numbers will be running these hlg480’s but I can say it’s the most tric cover plants I’ve ever grown. I’m just not sold on the numbers with these things. I do think the added spectrum has everything to do with the increased resin production. At least from what I’ve can tell that seems to be the case. I’m just finishing up a new room as we speak I neglected to use led’s though. I went back to 1000 watt hid. I just don’t think you can beat them. I am however trying the hortilux dual arc super blue. I’m hoping with the increased spectrum I can achieve similar results. Any way just my thoughts on these let’s after a couple of run’s you stay impressing me with your grow. It drives me to keeping progressing. I hope all is well my friend. Ohh look at this shoulder bud of og done in the basic amendment recipe. This girl is covered in frost. Also these are bulbs I’m trying. Have you used these dual mh hps bulbs in the past? Any way stay frosty bro.
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I'm not sure the LEDs produce more resin output than CMH - but I am sure that CMH produces better resin quality than just HPS alone. I've never run a mixed spectrum in flower or the super blue HPS you are currently trying.
If I were to build a new room for real production, I'm pretty sure I'd go with the dual 500w CMH rigs.
I've also never run the 3100k(r) CMH bulbs at the super max setting or whatever either that overdrives the bulbs and increases output...
I really don't push the garden very hard apparently...LOL. That will change once I get settled into things more and find a rotation of plants.
dank.Frank
If I were to build a new room for real production, I'm pretty sure I'd go with the dual 500w CMH rigs.
I've also never run the 3100k(r) CMH bulbs at the super max setting or whatever either that overdrives the bulbs and increases output...
I really don't push the garden very hard apparently...LOL. That will change once I get settled into things more and find a rotation of plants.
dank.Frank
Yep, CMH FTW 
. Great lights, very happy with them. .
I'm running Growers Choice Master pursuit Dual 500w with 3K/4K bulbs in ea fixture.. Last time I looked they didn't have any 500w 3k-r bulbs. I still use 2 of there dual 315w fixtures with 3k-r/4k bulbs in those. Total flower wattage 4260 CMH. Total Veg 1260 cmh + 570w LED. I've been reluctant to swap out CMH for LED in flower. I think they will perform great in veg.
. Great lights, very happy with them. .I'm running Growers Choice Master pursuit Dual 500w with 3K/4K bulbs in ea fixture.. Last time I looked they didn't have any 500w 3k-r bulbs. I still use 2 of there dual 315w fixtures with 3k-r/4k bulbs in those. Total flower wattage 4260 CMH. Total Veg 1260 cmh + 570w LED. I've been reluctant to swap out CMH for LED in flower. I think they will perform great in veg.
I agree Hammer. I can easily see myself switching over to LED for veg. I'd need a custom unit though. Really surprised no one makes a 3'10" unit that is 17" wide. It'd be a winner on all fronts for those of us who use food shelves to stack our veg area, which I think is pretty much common place at this point.
It's not that I see better growth with LED in veg over CFL tubes - it's still thinner than I'd like compared to HID - but, the reduction in power usage and the improvement in spectrum, seems to warrant a change to the new tech in that capacity without question. I'd not have said that 5 years ago.
dank.Frank
It's not that I see better growth with LED in veg over CFL tubes - it's still thinner than I'd like compared to HID - but, the reduction in power usage and the improvement in spectrum, seems to warrant a change to the new tech in that capacity without question. I'd not have said that 5 years ago.
dank.Frank
they make led replacement bulbs for t5 racks...no complaints so far after 3-4 months...aside from it costing almost 200 bucks for 8 bulbs...but in that respect they have lasted longer than a regular t5 bulb...
I have yet to run cmh so I was comparing them to just hps. I would love to try them perhaps on the next upgrade. I just didn’t have the funds to buy 4 of them at 5 to 700 a pop it was just to much for this build out. I also don’t have very tall ceiling’s in this space and was worried about that as well. All in all I think these lights have their place it’s awesome to see what this new tech is doing. Led’s have deff came along way in the last 5 years. I can say for certain I’m not upset about the final product as far as quality goes. I can’t wait to see how the cmh compares to the led’s when you run them with the same cuts. I really should of bought two of the super hps and ran a side by side to see if the dual bulbs were worth the extra money.
I used to use those in the past... the 1000 watt Hortilux... it was like a 600 hps/400mh ...!!!... I loved them but they were like $179.00... I’d get them a bit cheaper though... dude never charged me that price...!!!...
@Frank, I hope you have a great harvest brother...!!!...
...!!!...I ran overlapping mh/hps lighting before I switched to cmh and I can say for sure the resin is definitely different under cmh. Hps gave me more size to the nugs but cmh gave me the frost. Eventually I even went to mixed spectrum cmh running a 4100/3100 in the 630 fixture with very nice results. If I had to choose lights over again, I'd go cmh hands down. Yield wise in a sog it'll yield like my 1k was. All of these were under cmh.
@sturgeongeneral - glad to see following along! Nothing but respect for the work you do. Always top notch smoke! Appreciate your take on spectrum.
dank.Frank
dank.Frank
I know we talked about this before - but while this harvest is drying - and the cab is empty - it's a perfect time to break out the Light Meter that Gmanwho was so very kind and gracious in letting me borrow so we could get some real world data from these HGLED XB200 panels.
Any pointers or advice on how to use a light meter? I have no idea what I'm doing with it. I'll watch some videos on what's up.
Also, I'd like to announce, I'm 95% certain that Lazy Lightning is going to root this time around. I couldn't be more excited. That makes those F2 ChemSour x SSCDH seeds priceless. ChemSour x SSCDH Ix1 becomes my next seed goal project. From the Ix1, I can make selections again and repopulate. I can also make a Bx1 of the Lazy Lightning clone, which preserves her traits. Fingers crossed. I'm 95% sure!!! Beyond excited.
I also have a Lucifer OG x Chem Sis under the dome, that was made and selected by MeltingPot. Also have Chaco's ESCD x SFV Bx3 selection throwing out some nubs on the stems.
Just a few new things from a great friend who honestly - has been keeping Lazy Lightning safe and healthy for me until I got my shit together. I never even ASKED for this favor - I'm telling you - the ICmag community is simply amazing. I can't even begin to imagine what kind of grower I'd be without this place.
dank.Frank
Any pointers or advice on how to use a light meter? I have no idea what I'm doing with it. I'll watch some videos on what's up.
Also, I'd like to announce, I'm 95% certain that Lazy Lightning is going to root this time around. I couldn't be more excited. That makes those F2 ChemSour x SSCDH seeds priceless. ChemSour x SSCDH Ix1 becomes my next seed goal project. From the Ix1, I can make selections again and repopulate. I can also make a Bx1 of the Lazy Lightning clone, which preserves her traits. Fingers crossed. I'm 95% sure!!! Beyond excited.
I also have a Lucifer OG x Chem Sis under the dome, that was made and selected by MeltingPot. Also have Chaco's ESCD x SFV Bx3 selection throwing out some nubs on the stems.
Just a few new things from a great friend who honestly - has been keeping Lazy Lightning safe and healthy for me until I got my shit together. I never even ASKED for this favor - I'm telling you - the ICmag community is simply amazing. I can't even begin to imagine what kind of grower I'd be without this place.
dank.Frank
You'd probably be as bad as me.I know we talked about this before - but while this harvest is drying - and the cab is empty - it's a perfect time to break out the Light Meter that Gmanwho was so very kind and gracious in letting me borrow so we could get some real world data from these HGLED XB200 panels.
Any pointers or advice on how to use a light meter? I have no idea what I'm doing with it. I'll watch some videos on what's up.
Also, I'd like to announce, I'm 95% certain that Lazy Lightning is going to root this time around. I couldn't be more excited. That makes those F2 ChemSour x SSCDH seeds priceless. ChemSour x SSCDH Ix1 becomes my next seed goal project. From the Ix1, I can make selections again and repopulate. I can also make a Bx1 of the Lazy Lightning clone, which preserves her traits. Fingers crossed. I'm 95% sure!!! Beyond excited.
I also have a Lucifer OG x Chem Sis under the dome, that was made and selected by MeltingPot. Also have Chaco's ESCD x SFV Bx3 selection throwing out some nubs on the stems.
Just a few new things from a great friend who honestly - has been keeping Lazy Lightning safe and healthy for me until I got my shit together. I never even ASKED for this favor - I'm telling you - the ICmag community is simply amazing. I can't even begin to imagine what kind of grower I'd be without this place.
dank.Frank
