I'm very interested to see the results of your LED run. I think you will like the results your getting from CMH better. It would def be an eye opener if I was proved wrong 
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@Sturgeongeneral - Which plant you have in mind for a SOG queen?
@Med Grower Tom - Lovely Deathstar! You do her proper. How would you describe the smells you get from her?
@Prodigygrower - LOL. Great story. I've never actually dated anyone who shared my affinity for cannabis. What a difference that would be! Thanks for the encouragement with the Mochiesel.
@Nickman - I think the Chem D x Heri was called Novocaine. How interesting he thinks there will be a lot of purple. You need to start cloning or revegging your plants!!!
With the one LED - I was approached to promote/test the product prior to making a post in the thread publicly. I hope I still receive the HGLED set. The second, with Mars Hydro , was just the good folks at ICm giving me a nod. Lucky, indeed!
@too-dope - Thanks for the good vibes. I'm liking her more and more as she dries out proper.
@goats - Thanks! I'm curious too!
@AmericanGrower - Thanks for all your support and good advice. There isn't more room for another light. I might try and talk them into TWO lights - so I can compare full room mono-crops under both lighting types, instead of side-by-side style. I'm keen on trying the new techs. I'm not usually in a position to play around so I might as well take advantage of it.
@Genetic Freaked - It's going to be better than we think. I have a theory. I'm not going to let go of this particular pheno of Sis/PK until I have time to test it out. That being said, it's the seed run. She can and will get better next run by default. I can't wait to grow her were she isn't impacted by being so close to the lights.
@Mr.Brunch - ummm...awkward...LOL. Nah. Thanks for being a good sport and I hope to do that light justice. Glad to have you along for the journey.
@GMT - I honestly hadn't made up my mind. I was thinking of running them in my thread and then once a cycle is done, posting a new thread, with a couple of rapid fire posts that give a full run down of the experience. What's your opinion?
@TerpeneTom - Thanks for following! Your art work is so good. Such a classy vibe. I just keep trying to come up with an excuse to need it!
@MedFaced - What light did you end up going with? I guess now you get a fair chance to see if you made the right decision?! LOL. I agree penetration is the issue with LED and it's in part why I fear them. Small 315w CMH has the same issue and I've discussed it fairly heavily in my thread. I'll be just as fair and honest in my usage of the light. Thanks for the good vibes.
@unregistered190 - Thanks! Pretty sweet deal from Mars Hydro.
@wvkindbud38 - These Cobalts are both repeats from the last round. The 12wk'er is like a kick in the chest and quite potent - but still smokes like a hybrid. I can't wait to see how smokes this round, but I can't say I've really gotten her proper yet.
Phillty used to trim his buds and put them on racks as well. It's not uncommon, just not what I prefer.
@Bmac - Hey, brother! Those ChemSour x SSCDH F2 are going to take a splash here in about 3 weeks. Along with the last of the Snow Monkey I have. Thanks for all you do.
@DHF - You're always welcome and it's never a bother. I told a buddy the same thing about air flow. I didn't have it the first round. Thought I would - but I had to cut some holes...LOL. It happens.
I'll say this Sis/PK - does NOT smell like Chem D. In part - but only in the same way that it also smells like all the rest of the family. This Sis/PK is pure chem skunk funk. I'm not going to say what I want to say yet, but I sent Phillthy a PM making the claim. Since she gave me so much, I've set aside a jar of it for him, so I can make my case.
SOG is the final destination for this grow. It's what it was designed for, ultimately. Just building up that arsenal of proper ladies before I really get into a more perpetual style of growing. Have to find them first!
@Hammerhead - you and me both! I'm a HUGE skeptic of LEDs in general and I'm super impressed with the CMH - which you were in part certainly responsible for me settling on and diving in with. With these give-away contests taking place, I just couldn't resit the zero cost / risk factor to try the tech. Hope I can answer any questions you throw my way during the process. Good vibes, brother!
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Sorry for the back log!!!
Appreciate the patience.
Now then. I grew some weed. It's dank. So what. Let's do it again.
The plants in the back are Bandaid Haze #7 and MAC1 clones. Smaller plants up front are Karma Genetics testers - 8 London Loud + the 1 runt coming along. 10 Mochiesel.
You can't tell in this pic, but they are all on about the 5-7th internode. I've kept them short and compact and restrained on purpose. These are going to be grown pheno selection style, rather than bigger larger plants. The best will be kept and run again.
This is where the thread gets fun again. NEW GENETICS!!! Much love and respect to Karma G. He's F.A.M. that has always kept it real. I'm stoked to run his newest limited gear so quickly after starting back up.
Round 3 after 5 1/2 years - Karma Genetics Sour D Bx2 crosses.
The big leafy one in the middle of things is a London Loud that I expect to be male. Stupid vigorous growth and super roots on that plant. If female, it could be a BEAST. However, there are 4 London Loud I expect to be female, one of which I have been watching closely. It had an odd leaf malformation early on and has had a serious sheen of resin on it's leaves while growing.
There are still 3 Mochiesel I am watching, labeled M3, M4, M5. M4 - I expect to be a female, the others, male. These are the 3 I expected to be Mochi dominant and marked as such when they were seedlings.
They are several weeks old now. Maybe even a full month. They'll sex quickly now given new root space and 24 hour 315w lighting.
Forward march. Overgrow prohibition. F.U.C.K.E.M.
dank.Frank
@Med Grower Tom - Lovely Deathstar! You do her proper. How would you describe the smells you get from her?
@Prodigygrower - LOL. Great story. I've never actually dated anyone who shared my affinity for cannabis. What a difference that would be! Thanks for the encouragement with the Mochiesel.
@Nickman - I think the Chem D x Heri was called Novocaine. How interesting he thinks there will be a lot of purple. You need to start cloning or revegging your plants!!!
With the one LED - I was approached to promote/test the product prior to making a post in the thread publicly. I hope I still receive the HGLED set. The second, with Mars Hydro , was just the good folks at ICm giving me a nod. Lucky, indeed!
@too-dope - Thanks for the good vibes. I'm liking her more and more as she dries out proper.
@goats - Thanks! I'm curious too!
@AmericanGrower - Thanks for all your support and good advice. There isn't more room for another light. I might try and talk them into TWO lights - so I can compare full room mono-crops under both lighting types, instead of side-by-side style. I'm keen on trying the new techs. I'm not usually in a position to play around so I might as well take advantage of it.
@Genetic Freaked - It's going to be better than we think. I have a theory. I'm not going to let go of this particular pheno of Sis/PK until I have time to test it out. That being said, it's the seed run. She can and will get better next run by default. I can't wait to grow her were she isn't impacted by being so close to the lights.
@Mr.Brunch - ummm...awkward...LOL. Nah. Thanks for being a good sport and I hope to do that light justice. Glad to have you along for the journey.
@GMT - I honestly hadn't made up my mind. I was thinking of running them in my thread and then once a cycle is done, posting a new thread, with a couple of rapid fire posts that give a full run down of the experience. What's your opinion?
@TerpeneTom - Thanks for following! Your art work is so good. Such a classy vibe. I just keep trying to come up with an excuse to need it!
@MedFaced - What light did you end up going with? I guess now you get a fair chance to see if you made the right decision?! LOL. I agree penetration is the issue with LED and it's in part why I fear them. Small 315w CMH has the same issue and I've discussed it fairly heavily in my thread. I'll be just as fair and honest in my usage of the light. Thanks for the good vibes.
@unregistered190 - Thanks! Pretty sweet deal from Mars Hydro.
@wvkindbud38 - These Cobalts are both repeats from the last round. The 12wk'er is like a kick in the chest and quite potent - but still smokes like a hybrid. I can't wait to see how smokes this round, but I can't say I've really gotten her proper yet.
Phillty used to trim his buds and put them on racks as well. It's not uncommon, just not what I prefer.
@Bmac - Hey, brother! Those ChemSour x SSCDH F2 are going to take a splash here in about 3 weeks. Along with the last of the Snow Monkey I have. Thanks for all you do.
@DHF - You're always welcome and it's never a bother. I told a buddy the same thing about air flow. I didn't have it the first round. Thought I would - but I had to cut some holes...LOL. It happens.
I'll say this Sis/PK - does NOT smell like Chem D. In part - but only in the same way that it also smells like all the rest of the family. This Sis/PK is pure chem skunk funk. I'm not going to say what I want to say yet, but I sent Phillthy a PM making the claim. Since she gave me so much, I've set aside a jar of it for him, so I can make my case.
SOG is the final destination for this grow. It's what it was designed for, ultimately. Just building up that arsenal of proper ladies before I really get into a more perpetual style of growing. Have to find them first!
@Hammerhead - you and me both! I'm a HUGE skeptic of LEDs in general and I'm super impressed with the CMH - which you were in part certainly responsible for me settling on and diving in with. With these give-away contests taking place, I just couldn't resit the zero cost / risk factor to try the tech. Hope I can answer any questions you throw my way during the process. Good vibes, brother!
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Sorry for the back log!!!
Appreciate the patience.Now then. I grew some weed. It's dank. So what. Let's do it again.
The plants in the back are Bandaid Haze #7 and MAC1 clones. Smaller plants up front are Karma Genetics testers - 8 London Loud + the 1 runt coming along. 10 Mochiesel.
You can't tell in this pic, but they are all on about the 5-7th internode. I've kept them short and compact and restrained on purpose. These are going to be grown pheno selection style, rather than bigger larger plants. The best will be kept and run again.
This is where the thread gets fun again. NEW GENETICS!!! Much love and respect to Karma G. He's F.A.M. that has always kept it real. I'm stoked to run his newest limited gear so quickly after starting back up.
Round 3 after 5 1/2 years - Karma Genetics Sour D Bx2 crosses.
The big leafy one in the middle of things is a London Loud that I expect to be male. Stupid vigorous growth and super roots on that plant. If female, it could be a BEAST. However, there are 4 London Loud I expect to be female, one of which I have been watching closely. It had an odd leaf malformation early on and has had a serious sheen of resin on it's leaves while growing.
There are still 3 Mochiesel I am watching, labeled M3, M4, M5. M4 - I expect to be a female, the others, male. These are the 3 I expected to be Mochi dominant and marked as such when they were seedlings.
They are several weeks old now. Maybe even a full month. They'll sex quickly now given new root space and 24 hour 315w lighting.
Forward march. Overgrow prohibition. F.U.C.K.E.M.
dank.Frank
You got that mac1 vegging nicely! She’s lookin ultra happy for you. 
Cool to see such a culmination of effort and experience. Don’t know if I have been more excited to see what a seed will do in some one else’s garden. That karma sour d will be what dreams are made of in that bed. Winter is approaching, make it frosty.
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I went with the 260watt hlg QB. It’s supposed to compete w 550watt HID. Not sure about that, but I used it to replace a 400HPS. I have one complete run and one current with it. I tested some old SFV seeds I had ran a few times years ago and was familiar with. With my hps I could get around 8 dried oz per plant, generally running 2 plants at a time in a 3x3 space. Using the QB, I got 7 dried oz growing out one plant. I could’ve got more out of her if I had more time for my garden. I only have a few not so great pics of the finished SFV grow as I didn’t intend on joining a forum when I ran it.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=80650
I did HID since early 2000’s, tested a few expensive Leds over the years and never had a good opinion of them for anything outside of vegging. The QB has finally made a convert out of me. Would love to test out a chm but it’s not in the cards for me ATM.
Can't wait to see what you do with this next round. And food luck with that LED. I've been more than a bit curious about them damn LEDs for a decade now lol.
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If I'm digging through genetics I may want to keep. I like to save the seed plant as my mom, and flower out clones from her first. That way I know how she acts as a clone in flower
Because, yeah, seed/clone plants are different. Might save you a bit of time with the first flowering done this way ?
Much love Fam
A quote from you
If I'm digging through genetics I may want to keep. I like to save the seed plant as my mom, and flower out clones from her first. That way I know how she acts as a clone in flower
Because, yeah, seed/clone plants are different. Might save you a bit of time with the first flowering done this way ? Much love Fam
I have been looking at making cob or q board lights for my flower room. But damn it get $$$$ 315W cmh are so much cheaper
I suppose it depends on what you're planning to do with the LEDs. If its a compare and contrast thing, then you may as well keep it all together in here. But if you're doing grow shows, or this LED v that LED, it would be cleaner in a new thread. So many people want to see them, and lots are put off joining an established thread. Just random thoughts when put on the spot to spit some out. I only asked because I didn't want to miss it.
OMG I didn't know you had MAC1 in house!! Jealous..
Maybe a MAC1xSnow Monkey??
Cant wait to see what she does in the bed
Maybe a MAC1xSnow Monkey??
Cant wait to see what she does in the bed
No worries mate, you were definitely the best candidate and can’t wait to see the results
And all the best with the new sour crosses- I’ve got the ‘sweets’ germing in the seed tray
Your killing broski! As far as dating some one that smokes that’s cool I guess lol when you can use certain cultivars to manipulate the situation it definitely lays to your advantage lol. Other than that it’s the same except you have to share your bag and no matter what they don’t get your obsession with this plant. We are a different breed when it comes to this plant. I tell my boys in a joking manner I’m strung out on growing in every aspect. My close friends just listen when I talk about it because I get so passionate and excited. Other than that they like the rest of us they just like smoking high quality chronic.
My home boy is using one of the new Samsung Leds. I ran out of room so I gave him a chem4 x bb to finish flowering out. The buds from this pheno look bomb but the over all plant health looks like shit. I believe that’s my fault. I don’t think I mixed the soil near enough so with out Making sure the ph is on point the plant is yellowing out really bad for being just shy of 5 weeks in. But she still smells amazing and the buds look frosty af. That being said compared to the 600 I have the other 3 phenos under there is no comparison. I’ve had to steak every plant already. I think this line with the proper pheno could be a cash croppers dream. Any way they look amazing my friend. I hope you are well.
My home boy is using one of the new Samsung Leds. I ran out of room so I gave him a chem4 x bb to finish flowering out. The buds from this pheno look bomb but the over all plant health looks like shit. I believe that’s my fault. I don’t think I mixed the soil near enough so with out Making sure the ph is on point the plant is yellowing out really bad for being just shy of 5 weeks in. But she still smells amazing and the buds look frosty af. That being said compared to the 600 I have the other 3 phenos under there is no comparison. I’ve had to steak every plant already. I think this line with the proper pheno could be a cash croppers dream. Any way they look amazing my friend. I hope you are well.
Chem 4 is commercial chem - much the same way that GG#4 is commercial Sour Dubb. That's not a discredit to any of those plants, it's just how they smoke to me.
Chem 4 is too close to ECSD to warrant growing her, because in my opinion, ECSD is the superior plant.
However, I'm 100% certain they breed completely differently though.
dank.Frank
Chem 4 is too close to ECSD to warrant growing her, because in my opinion, ECSD is the superior plant.
However, I'm 100% certain they breed completely differently though.
dank.Frank
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awesome thread DF! mochiesel sounds fun!:friends:
I’ve never grown chem4 before. You know how much I respect your opinion on these things and I appreciate you giving me my point of view. From what I understand about chem4 is she’s the most gassy and the best producer. There is something about grabbing a bag and it having that straight gas smell that just registers with my soul. Like yes this is chronic lol. When you add the blue berry genetics with that I felt you could find something special. Like you I love the euphoric spin in a field let me chase butterflies high. I asked stray for this line because I believe I could find based on the genetics a pheno that has not only the blue berry lavender/ gas’s terpine profile that imop would be something that I couldn’t get enough of. But also a plant that when smoked lets say a bowl or two gives you the giggles / lets go fly a kite high but also if I smoke a joint or more puts your ass down. Or at least this is what I’m searching for. I might of found that pheno. Won’t know until the smoke test is done but I’ve found a pheno that has a very lavender/gassy funky smell. I’m going to post pics in my thread of her . If you have time based on your experience with the blue berry line as well as the chem4 id love for you to give me your opinion on what you see and which side she leans. I still have some beans to sort and access to more. If the smoke doesn’t match the looks and terp profile. One day I’ll get to try these elite cuts but until then I’m content on popping seeds from people I respect in this community and finding my own person elite that checks all my boxes. I know I’ll find her one day lol.
The elite thing is nice because it gives you a comparative basis. Truly though, had I not been chasing elites, there are some plants I should have kept - I just didn't know at the time they met the grade - but they did.
I think - what is most important - is finding and growing plants you LOVE. Not the ones you like. I mean, it's ALL good weed to me when grown right, some of it just stands out and cuts through the others.
I'm really trying to stay away from "ELITES". I'm fortunate enough to say, yes - I've either grown it or smoked it from another very competent grower. I know what the parameters are now and when sorting seeds, something isn't going to get overlooked due to ignorance and a false expectation of what "should be".
I'm stoked to have MAC1 don't get wrong - but what was SUPPOSED to live was Lazy Lightning. I'd trade out the scenario without blinking in terms of what I wish made it.
I want to pick up where I left off years ago - and I want to get back into my own gene pools. I want to find new plants worthy of sharing with the the heads.
And let's be real - how many do you see running chem sister? But her hybrids are no joke. I've got nothing against the Chem4 or the Glue. Love GG4. Stardawg is one of few lines that has a dozen plus named cuts - she stands up there with SSH in that regard. So, I'm certainly not trash talking Chem 4 nor it's ability to add to the equation something valuable.
Chem 4 wasn't my cup of tea. GG4 is. Sour Dubb is just a bit better, my take - BUT - Dubb doesn't yield enough to break out in a crowd - GG4 does - and it's a fair compromise all things considered.
I don't want my statement to be construed as "hate" or put anyone on defense mode over a subjective opinion.
IF I was to grow a new flavored Chem 4 anything these days - I'd be looking at People Under The Stairs - with that Chem4DD male.
Nothing against Chem 4 - I'm just a Chem Sis fan - she's the one with the STANK.
dank.Frank
I think - what is most important - is finding and growing plants you LOVE. Not the ones you like. I mean, it's ALL good weed to me when grown right, some of it just stands out and cuts through the others.
I'm really trying to stay away from "ELITES". I'm fortunate enough to say, yes - I've either grown it or smoked it from another very competent grower. I know what the parameters are now and when sorting seeds, something isn't going to get overlooked due to ignorance and a false expectation of what "should be".
I'm stoked to have MAC1 don't get wrong - but what was SUPPOSED to live was Lazy Lightning. I'd trade out the scenario without blinking in terms of what I wish made it.
I want to pick up where I left off years ago - and I want to get back into my own gene pools. I want to find new plants worthy of sharing with the the heads.
And let's be real - how many do you see running chem sister? But her hybrids are no joke. I've got nothing against the Chem4 or the Glue. Love GG4. Stardawg is one of few lines that has a dozen plus named cuts - she stands up there with SSH in that regard. So, I'm certainly not trash talking Chem 4 nor it's ability to add to the equation something valuable.
Chem 4 wasn't my cup of tea. GG4 is. Sour Dubb is just a bit better, my take - BUT - Dubb doesn't yield enough to break out in a crowd - GG4 does - and it's a fair compromise all things considered.
I don't want my statement to be construed as "hate" or put anyone on defense mode over a subjective opinion.
IF I was to grow a new flavored Chem 4 anything these days - I'd be looking at People Under The Stairs - with that Chem4DD male.
Nothing against Chem 4 - I'm just a Chem Sis fan - she's the one with the STANK.
dank.Frank
Back in 06 when our group was gifted all the chem's. Chem 4 was the 1st to go, I'm not sure what the chem 4 pics on IG are. But I can tell you 1 thing it aint chem 4. Chem 4 grows thin non supportive branches with like D battery size buds. All I see on IG are these big ass colas, no way is that 4.
I am not into keeping mom's because of their name. Like UK cheese, kept her 2 runs then had to go, MSS and FFA were far better. Also had KK Strawcough once again 2 runs n out. The only 1 I kept around even tho I didn't care for her bud was chem sister, that was only because she crossed so well.
I am not into keeping mom's because of their name. Like UK cheese, kept her 2 runs then had to go, MSS and FFA were far better. Also had KK Strawcough once again 2 runs n out. The only 1 I kept around even tho I didn't care for her bud was chem sister, that was only because she crossed so well.
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w/o chem4 there'd be no guava, no illuminatti, no corey, no etc.
I mean, I certainly gave credit to Stardawg where it's due in my post. It's one of few lines that has produced so many individual keepers - not to mention - seed companies...LOL.
But, that aside, Chem 4 - the more sprite type of terps she has, wasn't my cup of tea, ultimately.
I don't know how this Sis/PK is as loud as she is. Up close, she is more subtle, but you can't carry ANY amount of her on your person. Even a pre-rolled joint will fill a room with odors and make people look and comment about your "cologne". I found this out accidentally. She must make you scent deaf when your are right on her or something.
From what I'm told...ROFLMAO...she must hold a certain unique expression in her terp profile that is only detectable from about the center of the 50 yard line. Ha!
She needs another round. She needs to be smoked by a few VERY knowledgeable old school heads. It very well could be a Christmas to remember.
dank.Frank
But, that aside, Chem 4 - the more sprite type of terps she has, wasn't my cup of tea, ultimately.
I don't know how this Sis/PK is as loud as she is. Up close, she is more subtle, but you can't carry ANY amount of her on your person. Even a pre-rolled joint will fill a room with odors and make people look and comment about your "cologne". I found this out accidentally. She must make you scent deaf when your are right on her or something.
From what I'm told...ROFLMAO...she must hold a certain unique expression in her terp profile that is only detectable from about the center of the 50 yard line. Ha!
She needs another round. She needs to be smoked by a few VERY knowledgeable old school heads. It very well could be a Christmas to remember.
dank.Frank
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useless.gardens
i love the sfv. to me, its the pinnacle in taste (with good density & potency) as far as an og. its this musky, old spice, creaminess that makes my mouth just water.
the way you describe the sis/pk sounds super. she looks world class for sure.
stoked for you. nothing like quality flower.
the way you describe the sis/pk sounds super. she looks world class for sure.
stoked for you. nothing like quality flower.
