Distinguished and Nurtured Kind

[dank.frank]

Before we continune...

Before we continune...

At this point and time - what needs to be said - has been said and it's documented in my thread, where none of it has been edited. I honestly appreciate all of you coming forward and sharing your opinions and your information. This isn't me shutting you down or even me picking a side.

I presented to all of you the opportunity I was offered. We all discussed it. I did accept the offer and make a personal commitment prior to the vendor being banned. Given many factors, the value of my word included, I will still be moving forward with my test grow for HGLED.

See, I also told Mars Hydro, I was willing to compare one of their lights in a side by side to an XB200 panel. Now I have an order of things I must follow - and - I will continue to be Frank and honest in my evaluation of things, for both companies. I will keep in mind, with due respect for the product I received from HGLED, technically being a prototype.

In years past, I never had as much freedom to explore new tech. It's something I personally WANT to do, so I'm setting aside any personal bias I may have already developed - good OR bad - and I'm going to ask you all to do the same, for at least this growth cycle!

Round 3 in the Halls of Distinguished and Nurtured Kind

Lighting has changed.

2 x Grower's Choice 315W CMH with 3100k(r) bulbs...

Has been swapped out with...

2 x HydroGrowLED XB200 Quantum LED panel with 6 band spectrum - 440nm, 470nm, 525nm, 640nm, 660nm, 740nm

I never, ever, ever, ever in a million years thought I'd be growing under an LED light. I HONESTLY consider these to be toys not tools. When someone says they grow under LED I instantly sort of snarl and smirk. I'm a HID SNOB.

I want that to be VERY clear going into this. I'm legit the meme with the guy sitting at the table saying "change my mind" - and well...here we are.

Plants we are looking at here -Karma Genetics Mochiesel x 10 and KG's London Loud x 9. Bandaid Haze #7, MAC1 and Sis/PK mothers vegging away.



dank.Frank

 

[trichrider]

could you provide the electrical draw...watts, or amps, or volts or combination thereof to determine cost?
what heat output compared to HID, MH? (not so critical as above)

those would be critical in comparing current footprint of growing indoors.
if you could, thanks

 

[Americangrower]

so she sent you 2 units?

 

[unclefishstick]

lol,just gonna say it...cheap looking knock off of an horticulture lighting group panel...nothing says well made like exposed wiring!

 

[Americangrower]

could you provide the electrical draw...watts, or amps, or volts or combination thereof to determine cost?
what heat output compared to HID, MH? (not so critical as above)

those would be critical in comparing current footprint of growing indoors.
if you could, thanks

Its all listed in Franks 1st pic brother

 

[CannaRed]

I'm thinking your gonna like the hgl.

I replaced two 125w CFLs in my old veg chamber with this 150w hgl. They vegged much better than the CFL. (This was before I started the side-by-side and fucked it up)

Mine doesn't have much spread, Since it's for a 2'x2' area and the lenses direct light straight down.

You have my attention. I'm following along to see what YOU can do with much more wattage.

I'm thinking about getting a 2x2 tent just for this light and getting something else for my slightly larger chamber.

 

[mr.brunch]

Shits got real! Looking forward to seeing how this goes

 

[GOT_BUD?]

At this point and time - what needs to be said - has been said and it's documented in my thread, where none of it has been edited. I honestly appreciate all of you coming forward and sharing your opinions and your information. This isn't me shutting you down or even me picking a side.

I presented to all of you the opportunity I was offered. We all discussed it. I did accept the offer and make a personal commitment prior to the vendor being banned. Given many factors, the value of my word included, I will still be moving forward with my test grow for HGLED.

See, I also told Mars Hydro, I was willing to compare one of their lights in a side by side to an XB200 panel. Now I have an order of things I must follow - and - I will continue to be Frank and honest in my evaluation of things, for both companies. I will keep in mind, with due respect for the product I received from HGLED, technically being a prototype.

In years past, I never had as much freedom to explore new tech. It's something I personally WANT to do, so I'm setting aside any personal bias I may have already developed - good OR bad - and I'm going to ask you all to do the same, for at least this growth cycle!

Round 3 in the Halls of Distinguished and Nurtured Kind

Lighting has changed.

2 x Grower's Choice 315W CMH with 3100k(r) bulbs...

Has been swapped out with...

2 x HydroGrowLED XB200 Quantum LED panel with 6 band spectrum - 440nm, 470nm, 525nm, 640nm, 660nm, 740nm

I never, ever, ever, ever in a million years thought I'd be growing under an LED light. I HONESTLY consider these to be toys not tools. When someone says they grow under LED I instantly sort of snarl and smirk. I'm a HID SNOB.

I want that to be VERY clear going into this. I'm legit the meme with the guy sitting at the table saying "change my mind" - and well...here we are.

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Plants we are looking at here -Karma Genetics Mochiesel x 10 and KG's London Loud x 9. Bandaid Haze #7, MAC1 and Sis/PK mothers vegging away.



dank.Frank

I am not surprised in the least that you are going to honor the agreement you had with HGL. I would expect nothing less.

But I also fully expect to see the CMH back up next grow, lol.

 

[Hammerhead]

lol,just gonna say it...cheap looking knock off of an horticulture lighting group panel...nothing says well made like exposed wiring!

To be fair some of HLG panels have exposed wiring as well.. I'm not a fan of the pink hue.

 

[nickman]

How’s the heat coming off of it ?

 

[dank.frank]

@trichrider - yes. I will do that, based on the updated statistics provided via the manufacturer. If I understand correctly, more tests are being run to be able to accurately state various things with more specificity? Until then, if you can read the picture, it is there. If not - I'll copy it over to make it easier.

@Americangrower - Yes. 2 x XB200. Lights to replace flower chamber.

@Unclefishsticks - I'm not really sure what all to expect from such a product because I have no comparative basis with similar tech. I can say - it doesn't FEEL cheap. I agree with whoever said they'd like to see that be an anodized green instead of red. That'd be slick!!!

@CannaRed - I'm a huge skeptic. So far, initial impressions - it's really bright. Like - squint on a hazy overcast day for no reason, even though the sun isn't really right in your eyes - sort of oddly bright. When you say MORE wattage - I'm assuming you mean in comparison to your previous experience. I was really irked to go from 1k to 315w - now to a 200w panel - I'm not so sure I'm moving the right direction.

@mr.brunch - It's going to be a good LED saga in this thread for a while now. For those on the fence, this is the place to be!

@GOT BUD? - Thanks for understanding. At least I won't have to scratch my head and wonder - I'll know.

@Hammerhead - it's that pink hue that has me MOST interested in these lights. The spectrum with the integration of the green LEDs is in line with NASA spectral research data for plant growth. It'd be a circle for me to say more.

I left the photos unedited so we could see that "pink" hue specifically. Next series I take I will adjust flash and white balance to compensate for that. NOT to remove it from the picture entirely, but to make it more accurate to what I personally see.

A lot of time - you'll notice a bit of wood in the corner of my pictures. That's the door frame and it's in the way, but it also serves as an amazing point of reference for true color. That wood goes too yellow, too orange, too green, etc - with any drastic editing and it's instantly noticeable.

I'll agree - the light is not quite as pink as it appears in pictures. Yeah. It's pink-ish. Pink-hued. But it's not drastic or unpleasant - nor does it appear "blurple".

At the end of the day, that CRI OF 96 on a 3100k (r) CMH is hard to beat. It's color accuracy is near perfect to natural sunlight. Everything is going to look a bit odd to me compared to that. I'm sure even a traditional red HPS glow would look more like that of a kerosene heater than a grow room.

Maybe I'll get used to the pink?

@Nickman - that is one of the first things I wanted to know. TEMP reduction. While not fully accurate, while running the CMH for vegging the same group of plants. Peak AMBIENT temps were 86. Now the peak is reading at 79. So, yes, it does seem to run cooler. The driver itself, is cool to the touch and doesn't seem to be generating any heat of it's own.


Plants will tell the final tale, but I hope to answer as many questions and comments as possible over these next coming months. Glad you are all here to witness this journey.



dank.Frank

 

[Americangrower]

Frank any chance you can measure the thickness of the aluminum sheet/heatsink. Thinking about building 2 units of 6 qb's each. Can't find those alum plates heatsinks anywhere and HLG wants like $140 each for 4x qb plate.

 

[Chili_berkster]

I'm betting you are gonna dig these lights DF. I'm impressed by the cheap mars hydro units running here. Very impressed with the size of buds mostly. The density and the savings in electricity. I bet those lights will kick ass! Enjoy

 

[Americangrower]

So was doing some more old thread reading and found something interesting Frank. I have long said that ECSD and AJ are similar but different. I always said ECSD was 91 x MSS with 1 of them herming.

I found this in quotes by CBF or ThaDocta back in 05 can't tell which 1 quoted it.

Chemdog

This is for ***dog the sour diesel is in fact a total mistake the
chemdog which was started in co from a very old farmer got seeds to a
person in ma not cali which was started then in 91. It was the best
bud i have ever smoked smelled or tasted. By 1993 it was the sickest
shit around. Then the kids met these guys from ny at a phish show and
they were begging the kids for a cutting which at that point was
scarce.The kids were very tight and knew they had something special.
We then became good friends and the kids traded the chem dog for a
super skunk which is better then any skunk i have seen.We made
promises to not give the shit away it was the bomb. Now this is were
we get a little pissed off but are over it by now the nyc guys didnt
like the name chem dog so they had a idea to chang the name to DIESEL.
So the orig Chem dog is Diesel so what happend next explains the
Sour The kids in ma had the best shit around everybody wanted the
Chem dog people were coming up from albany to get the Diesel in bud
form and they found some seeds in one batch. The super skunk that the
kids were growing hermd and hit the chem dog aka diesel and the albany
crew started those seeds and named it sour diesel also the orig
chemdog aka diesl is og kush. its Chem dog also the ma kids are the
only ones who have orig seeds of chem dog aka diesel still from the
early 90s everybody got cuttings the kids still have 6 seeds left.
hope you all find this info helpful i will soon give full details
about the chem dog,sour diesel,diesel,og kush.Its time to settle all
the bullshit that people seem to know peace to all

I now believe that ECSD is 91xMSS and AJ is 91 x DNL which is why it has that fruit smell in early/mid flower. Both from hermie, not from breeding.

 

[Lapides]

I dont know about the blurple still.



But I'm a COMPLETE convert to LEDs. I only have personal experience with the samsungs LM561C's. The newer LM301B's are even better.



I will NEVER use HIDS again. So many more advantages with LED in my opinion. This comes from probably over 20 years experience using HIDS.

 

[Hammerhead]

All of the most popular LED panels don't have that pink hue.. I'm gonna get 4 hlg qb288 v2 rspec boards.




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[CannaRed]

I dont know about the blurple still.



But I'm a COMPLETE convert to LEDs. I only have personal experience with the samsungs LM561C's. The newer LM301B's are even better.



I will NEVER use HIDS again. So many more advantages with LED in my opinion. This comes from probably over 20 years experience using HIDS.

This is just the very beginning of the end for hps.

When they come out with a fully adjustable spectrum led, that is affordable and competes in price- lights out for HPS.

Gonna be cool to sit around in my late retirement years tweaking this dial and that. This one needs more stretch to combat stagnant air traps, let me give it less blue. Oh, This plant doesn't foxtail as bad if add smidge of green. Etc.

 

[Americangrower]

ok led user's is there a noticeable difference between 288 V1 and V2 or even rspec, besides efficiency being slightly better. I ask because V1 are $66 with slate 2 heatsink and V2 are $89 and Rspec are $99 or $91.50 with slate 1. I know you are going to say buy Rspec but x12 thats $396 more then V1

 

[trichrider]

i could see myself going for leds instead of replacing hid or mh bulbs
especially if the draw is less and heat is less (they kinda go together)
those prices ^^^are very attractive since mh & hid bulbs more expensive
don't leds last a very long time?


yeah i'm a miser.

 

[ReikoX]

ok led user's is there a noticeable difference between 288 V1 and V2 or even rspec, besides efficiency being slightly better. I ask because V1 are $66 with slate 2 heatsink and V2 are $89 and Rspec are $99 or $91.50 with slate 1. I know you are going to say buy Rspec but x12 thats $396 more then V1

The V2 are more efficient, and the R-Spec have the proper IR ratios to achieve the Emerson Effect. I would go R-Spec for that spectrum, it should increase yields making up for that $400 difference IMO.