The cheap kinda in a plastic tub with a foil top and a pull tab, though.
Best I can do for now. 
@52 days
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The cheap kinda in a plastic tub with a foil top and a pull tab, though.
Best I can do for now. @52 days
dank.Frank
SOG to me is a true term that implies 4 plants per square foot, flowered as rooted clones, no veg time. That's 32 plants in my bed.
That takes the right plant and a dialed environment. I think this Cobalt #2 is actually a great candidate for a SOG, which is in part, why I'm fairly excited to see what she is really about when in comes time to test her out. She looks to be 11-12 weeks. I'd be surprised if she just suddenly ripened up in the next couple weeks.
If you read some of my prior posts about SOG in another thread:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=357966
You'll see why I've not really done it ---> I'm primarily someone who enjoys more indica or narcotic type plants that help with pain. Those don't really fit into my ideal SOG concept, not to where you really maximize the potential of the growing method.
This Cobalt #2 might be an 11-12 week plant. She might have the 3-3.5x stretch point to where I can put her in flower as a rooted clone about 8-10-12 inches tall and still get a good, full 14-16" cola canopy with a thinned out lowers to allow for enough airflow.
Then, it'd be time to make sure screens were in place to hold the weight.
Running certain styles requires the right plant. There is a reason I built a soil bed. There is a reason I am sorting SSH crosses.
I've run various strains in SOG style 6" containers, with my organic soils, and it just doesn't work. You have to feed teas daily to get anything past 3rd week of flower. I've experimented over the years.
SOG maximizes yield potential. I'm certain to pursue that with lower wattage lights like these 315w CMH are. Big plants are not really the best method, I don't think.
Who knows. I may run a SOG for a bit and get sick of mom maintenance and needing 25 clones every 6wks to select the best 16, to run a perpetual garden, with harvests every 42 days.
I may decide mono-cropping 6-8 larger plants in a very well managed canopy produces better quality flowers due to have more developed roots. I may decide 12-15-18 rooted clones, vegged in the bed for 7-10 days is a better option.
This is only the first run of what I hope is many more. That answer you question?
dank.Frank
That takes the right plant and a dialed environment. I think this Cobalt #2 is actually a great candidate for a SOG, which is in part, why I'm fairly excited to see what she is really about when in comes time to test her out. She looks to be 11-12 weeks. I'd be surprised if she just suddenly ripened up in the next couple weeks.
If you read some of my prior posts about SOG in another thread:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=357966
You'll see why I've not really done it ---> I'm primarily someone who enjoys more indica or narcotic type plants that help with pain. Those don't really fit into my ideal SOG concept, not to where you really maximize the potential of the growing method.
This Cobalt #2 might be an 11-12 week plant. She might have the 3-3.5x stretch point to where I can put her in flower as a rooted clone about 8-10-12 inches tall and still get a good, full 14-16" cola canopy with a thinned out lowers to allow for enough airflow.
Then, it'd be time to make sure screens were in place to hold the weight.
Running certain styles requires the right plant. There is a reason I built a soil bed. There is a reason I am sorting SSH crosses.
I've run various strains in SOG style 6" containers, with my organic soils, and it just doesn't work. You have to feed teas daily to get anything past 3rd week of flower. I've experimented over the years.
SOG maximizes yield potential. I'm certain to pursue that with lower wattage lights like these 315w CMH are. Big plants are not really the best method, I don't think.
Who knows. I may run a SOG for a bit and get sick of mom maintenance and needing 25 clones every 6wks to select the best 16, to run a perpetual garden, with harvests every 42 days.
I may decide mono-cropping 6-8 larger plants in a very well managed canopy produces better quality flowers due to have more developed roots. I may decide 12-15-18 rooted clones, vegged in the bed for 7-10 days is a better option.
This is only the first run of what I hope is many more. That answer you question?
dank.Frank
Huh? Are you hating on the name "haze" in the cross? Sleestack being one of Skunkman's plants he uses to make that 99.9% heads dry sift, correct?
Don't take it up with me. Take it up with who named Super Silver Haze. Then take it up with Abja for trying to name something according to it's genetic make up. Then...get over it.
I mean, when I'm calling it the Blue Dream copycat pheno the entire thread, I figured people would understand it wasn't a representation of the hazier potential that exists in the poly hybrd x poly hybrid x poly hybrid x poly hybrid.
Don't be that guy.
dank.Frank
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Ya. I think i found the same thing in 11 litre containers using LCs
It would be interesting to tally up the amount of individual strains that philthy ran in the pad.
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99.9% heads dry sift, correct?
I'm calling it the Blue Dream
Don't be that guy.
dank.Frank
There were quite a few that never got documented as well.
But, on average, he'd start 20-30 seeds every 28 days, depending on what clones he wanted to flip and run. He always ran seeds and filled in with clones to offset the males. But his room was on a 28 days cycle for the most part. It varied but was usually 30-40 packs of seeds a year.
@....... - Yeah, organic, water only soil approach, I found I needed at minimum 1 gallon for just rooted clones being flipped. Then, you can't fit those into the 4 per sq ft format.
That post was in response to someone asking a question, that turned out to be a troll / lunatic that frequently seems to get by the spam filter. He harasses several people and get to about 30-50 posts in a half hour before the mods scrub him again.
@TheBlaze - I've never been "privileged" enough to get a visit from that clown before. Guess I'm moving up in the world. I've been promoted to "troll worthy".
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There were quite a few that never got documented as well.
But, on average, he'd start 20-30 seeds every 28 days, depending on what clones he wanted to flip and run. He always ran seeds and filled in with clones to offset the males. But his room was on a 28 days cycle for the most part. It varied but was usually 30-40 packs of seeds a year.
@....... - Yeah, organic, water only soil approach, I found I needed at minimum 1 gallon for just rooted clones being flipped. Then, you can't fit those into the 4 per sq ft format.
That post was in response to someone asking a question, that turned out to be a troll / lunatic that frequently seems to get by the spam filter. He harasses several people and get to about 30-50 posts in a half hour before the mods scrub him again.
@TheBlaze - I've never been "privileged" enough to get a visit from that clown before. Guess I'm moving up in the world. I've been promoted to "troll worthy".
dank.Frank
Yeah, 11 litres of LCs (organic thread) mix water only, but I did have a little veg time. I commend you making it work in 4L containers.
I think it's hard to grow in organic water only mix in small containers, the soil food web is hard to maintain in a small container and susceptible to the grow room conditions without a large amount of media to buffer, the soil is not ideal. Ive never had good luck with flowering from clone with no veg time. Maybe i didnt have the right genetics, or media. I think that zero veg clone does well in media such as hydroton or Rockwool where you have a lot of dry time in the root zone aka high oxygen
Looking real nice. I hope it gives you what you need. Enjoy
Need to get some blueberry going in this room...
dank.Frank
dank.Frank
@TheBlaze - I've never been "privileged" enough to get a visit from that clown before. Guess I'm moving up in the world. I've been promoted to "troll worthy".
dank.Frank
There is no such thing as bad publicity right.
That guy is seriously unhinged though, and he seems to be obsessed with pedophilia. I feel dirty just typing that word out.
Anyway... on to the show.
SOG is always the way I want to go but the amount of work that goes into it is crazy.
Keeping enough moms to provide the amount of clones needed is a job in itself. Then comes the cloning which isn’t all that bad since it’s snip and into the aerocloner but then keeping the schedule of every 3-4 weeks is a lot.
I used to admire the SOG Tick used to run. Perfect display of a SOG in my eyes.
I actually think he ran more then 4 plants per square too
Keeping enough moms to provide the amount of clones needed is a job in itself. Then comes the cloning which isn’t all that bad since it’s snip and into the aerocloner but then keeping the schedule of every 3-4 weeks is a lot.
I used to admire the SOG Tick used to run. Perfect display of a SOG in my eyes.
I actually think he ran more then 4 plants per square too
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I lied Al B Fuct's SOG, I think 8 mums under a 400 for 30 cuts every 2 weeks.. 20 into flower every 2 weeks. 40 plants per 1k, 2+ lb every 2 weeks.
You can negate cloning and mothers by running homogeneous feminised seeds instead.
Cobalt Haze - #1 then #2 both @57 days. #1 is coming down in a week. She began fading all on her own right about 52 days in. Nothing but water and certainly no feeding changes. Every other plant is still green, but she has begun to fade. This is why you don't need to flush. When a plant is grown properly and not overfed to begin with, it will enter into senescence and being the final phase of maturation entirely on it's own, without any help from the grower.
#2 might only go 10wk-11 instead of 12. Hard to tell really. She seems to be ripening rather hard from the bottom though. Not sure it will take her another full 4 wks. I'm pretty excited about her. Her resin quality is higher than her sister and there is more of it. She seems a bit leafier, but that is just because she hasn't really start setting flowers aggressively hard still. Her calyxes are just beginning to really swell and stack. She has a lot of untapped potential. She grew much to tall and into the lights this time around. That mistake won't be made a second time with her!
dank.Frank
#2 might only go 10wk-11 instead of 12. Hard to tell really. She seems to be ripening rather hard from the bottom though. Not sure it will take her another full 4 wks. I'm pretty excited about her. Her resin quality is higher than her sister and there is more of it. She seems a bit leafier, but that is just because she hasn't really start setting flowers aggressively hard still. Her calyxes are just beginning to really swell and stack. She has a lot of untapped potential. She grew much to tall and into the lights this time around. That mistake won't be made a second time with her!
dank.Frank
Beautiful plants!
Is #1 thicker then the #2 or is that just the way the pic shows?
#2 does have a lot more frost to her but #1 looks nice too.
Nothing better then watching the calyxes swell on a plant with the SSH genetics.
Was my fav part about watching my SSSDH finish up.
I wonder if it’s better to run a plant 100% organic first to know exactly when the plant is done since it lets you know as oppose to the calendar.
Yes you can use the magnifier to check for Amber but i feel it’s better for the plant to let you know.
One thing I realized when I went KISS is I can push the plants well past their prime without signs of fading. Which is prob what led me to the couple male flowers found on the #1 Snow Monkey
Is #1 thicker then the #2 or is that just the way the pic shows?
#2 does have a lot more frost to her but #1 looks nice too.
Nothing better then watching the calyxes swell on a plant with the SSH genetics.
Was my fav part about watching my SSSDH finish up.
I wonder if it’s better to run a plant 100% organic first to know exactly when the plant is done since it lets you know as oppose to the calendar.
Yes you can use the magnifier to check for Amber but i feel it’s better for the plant to let you know.
One thing I realized when I went KISS is I can push the plants well past their prime without signs of fading. Which is prob what led me to the couple male flowers found on the #1 Snow Monkey
@Genetic Freaked - Thanks, brother. You're not wrong. The cola of the #1 that I've been taking photos of the entire time, sits in the middle of both lights. It catches light from both lamps without being directly under them, so it is a bit thicker than the other colas on that plant.
In post #474 - The cola on plant #2 is a lower. The true tops, grew much too tall and are too close to the light so are suffering quality wise. Nothing I can do about it. You can see the top 8" of the cola has reduced resin production as it moves further up. That's 100% the result of too much heat.
The colas on plant #2 though, are MUCH bigger. I've not shown any pictures that really gives much perspective and that is just because I can't get the right angles with any sort of viewable quality.
Here's an attempt though:
This will show you a cola that is not too tall on plant #2 vs the cola I've been picturing on plant #1. You can see fairly clearly, it has filled in more, is every bit as thick, and still has a longer to go. #1 has some great, dense, chunky flowers. #2 is just stacking like a sativa and there is way more weight on those spears than it appears.
Both these colas are about 13" long, to give accurate perspective. This photo also shows the natural fade I was discussing previously. Love organic soil and the natural expression of the plant. Changes everything when looking for true keepers.
This picture, attempts to show you the difference in size between the colas on plant #1. There are 7 or 8 colas on her that range in the 9-13 in" range and all are stacked as tight and full as the one I've been able to picture. They just aren't quite as big. Honestly, it's marginal, but it is apparent, and you can see that slight difference here.
The trichs on #1 are still clear. Zero milky, but a couple of amber. Judging by the hairs, she looks more done / ripe than she really is. Oddly enough, this is exactly how Blue Dream ripens and 99% of the problem with that cut. She looks ripe and people chop her when she isn't fully ready, which just ruins her. Right now, her calyxes are still swelling and rounding off, closing on the last pistils. She'll tail out at the top, sort of like a crown, just like Blue Dream does.
I've been saying it since the plant was in veg, but it really is crazy how much she reminds me of the Blue Dream cut. Even the sweeping curvature in the tips of her fan blades is characteristic of Blue Dream. It's uncanny.
She's no slouch by any means. Having a plant that fills in so nicely and will take so little trimming and finishes in 9wks. Nothing to complain about in the grand scheme of things. This is still the seed run. She'll look better run from clone, like they all do.
The other take away in this photo though, look how #2 towers over the top of #1. She's a much bigger plant that just didn't want to quit stretching. She kept spearing out and reaching upwards until about the end of wk5.
dank.Frank
In post #474 - The cola on plant #2 is a lower. The true tops, grew much too tall and are too close to the light so are suffering quality wise. Nothing I can do about it. You can see the top 8" of the cola has reduced resin production as it moves further up. That's 100% the result of too much heat.
The colas on plant #2 though, are MUCH bigger. I've not shown any pictures that really gives much perspective and that is just because I can't get the right angles with any sort of viewable quality.
Here's an attempt though:
This will show you a cola that is not too tall on plant #2 vs the cola I've been picturing on plant #1. You can see fairly clearly, it has filled in more, is every bit as thick, and still has a longer to go. #1 has some great, dense, chunky flowers. #2 is just stacking like a sativa and there is way more weight on those spears than it appears.
Both these colas are about 13" long, to give accurate perspective. This photo also shows the natural fade I was discussing previously. Love organic soil and the natural expression of the plant. Changes everything when looking for true keepers.
This picture, attempts to show you the difference in size between the colas on plant #1. There are 7 or 8 colas on her that range in the 9-13 in" range and all are stacked as tight and full as the one I've been able to picture. They just aren't quite as big. Honestly, it's marginal, but it is apparent, and you can see that slight difference here.
The trichs on #1 are still clear. Zero milky, but a couple of amber. Judging by the hairs, she looks more done / ripe than she really is. Oddly enough, this is exactly how Blue Dream ripens and 99% of the problem with that cut. She looks ripe and people chop her when she isn't fully ready, which just ruins her. Right now, her calyxes are still swelling and rounding off, closing on the last pistils. She'll tail out at the top, sort of like a crown, just like Blue Dream does.
I've been saying it since the plant was in veg, but it really is crazy how much she reminds me of the Blue Dream cut. Even the sweeping curvature in the tips of her fan blades is characteristic of Blue Dream. It's uncanny.
She's no slouch by any means. Having a plant that fills in so nicely and will take so little trimming and finishes in 9wks. Nothing to complain about in the grand scheme of things. This is still the seed run. She'll look better run from clone, like they all do.
The other take away in this photo though, look how #2 towers over the top of #1. She's a much bigger plant that just didn't want to quit stretching. She kept spearing out and reaching upwards until about the end of wk5.
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It's good to see you with colas bro. I'm loving the show.
Dam Frank, talk about some totem poles...
I know you’ve been talking up the number 2 but I’m really liking how chunky that number 1 looks...!!!...both look real good though...
I know just what your talking about with the plants fading out and reaching Senescence on their own without having to adjust anything like feeding schedules or watering schedules...
Since I’ve started growing organically the plants do this all on their own...
They know when it’s time and I just do what the plant tells me to do...
Dam times seemed like it flew by with this grow of yours...!!!...
I know you’ve been talking up the number 2 but I’m really liking how chunky that number 1 looks...!!!...both look real good though...
I know just what your talking about with the plants fading out and reaching Senescence on their own without having to adjust anything like feeding schedules or watering schedules...
Since I’ve started growing organically the plants do this all on their own...
They know when it’s time and I just do what the plant tells me to do...
Dam times seemed like it flew by with this grow of yours...!!!...
@Chili B - thanks, Brother! Now, it's just trying to be patient to let everything finish properly and figuring out what seeds to start next. I should start more Snow Monkey for the time being, but we all know how "should" can go.
@Nickman - I started the thread out excited about #1 having more of Deezy's SSH structure in the leaves. Turns out, she's more Dream than anything. I'm not exactly a huge fan of Blue Dream, so I'm hoping she smokes better than my mental impression reminds me. Either way, I'm keeping both for the time being. They are both very solid plants. Both have the potential to meet the needs I have in my garden at the current moment. I'm honestly not being very picky. I need a solid plant to make wall to wall flowers with. Both fit that bill.
When I get a few more seed lines ran, then it's entirely possible something else will come along and take their place. Only time knows that outcome of that saga. That's the nature of building a new harem from seed though. Keep the stash and toss the trash.
Personally, I'm getting very excited for the Sis x Topanga to flower out. Chem/OG makes a great combination in general and while this is a bit of an odd ball pairing, that is still what this line is at it's core. Chem x OG. It's the only new plant getting looked at this next round, so naturally, I'm getting more curious about her potential as this round of flower draws itself to a close.
It's also time to start looking at what seeds to start next! Exciting yet terrifying. See how many more I have to kill to get a handful of plants. Sigh.
dank.Frank
@Nickman - I started the thread out excited about #1 having more of Deezy's SSH structure in the leaves. Turns out, she's more Dream than anything. I'm not exactly a huge fan of Blue Dream, so I'm hoping she smokes better than my mental impression reminds me. Either way, I'm keeping both for the time being. They are both very solid plants. Both have the potential to meet the needs I have in my garden at the current moment. I'm honestly not being very picky. I need a solid plant to make wall to wall flowers with. Both fit that bill.
When I get a few more seed lines ran, then it's entirely possible something else will come along and take their place. Only time knows that outcome of that saga. That's the nature of building a new harem from seed though. Keep the stash and toss the trash.
Personally, I'm getting very excited for the Sis x Topanga to flower out. Chem/OG makes a great combination in general and while this is a bit of an odd ball pairing, that is still what this line is at it's core. Chem x OG. It's the only new plant getting looked at this next round, so naturally, I'm getting more curious about her potential as this round of flower draws itself to a close.
It's also time to start looking at what seeds to start next! Exciting yet terrifying. See how many more I have to kill to get a handful of plants. Sigh.
dank.Frank
