Distinguished and Nurtured Kind

[genetic freaked]

Looking good in there DF.
I’m amazed at how great the cmhs are working.

One day I’d like to do a cmh run vs the same wattage in LED.
I know the penetration wouldn’t be the same but would be a cool comparison.

 

[nickman]

Wow man, three weeks and it’s stacking like that... that’s nutz...!!!...

 

[Prodigygrower]

Stacking super nice!!

 

[TheBlaze]

Well developed for 23 days. She is showing promise.

Nice!

 

[dank.frank]

@genetic freaked - I'm not sold until I count the numbers and smoke the flowers. I certainly see potential with them.

@everyone else - #2 is frosting and stacking heavier and faster than #1. #2 really does have potential to be a killer plant. I'm realizing the off part in her smell is from the trainwreck in her heritage. The plant is smelling more ssh/trainwreck in the resin and more blue dream on a stem rub. It'll be an interesting plant to watch develop.

#1 is still stretching. It's going to be a purple/cookie type haze like I've been saying. Stem rub smells like vicks vapor rub. I'm sure it'll mature more and change still. She's stacking just as well, just isn't as photogentic yet. I'll wait until she shows some more calyx formation.



dank.Frank

 

[Guest]

Tuning in

Hi Frank, I was wondering, of the seed strains readily available atm, which one/s do you think are most worthy of exploration (and the probability of throwing high-quality combinations in subsequent generations?
Thanks mate

 

[dank.frank]

@dots -Not sure I understand the question exactly, because there are a TON of seeds on the market now. More than ever before. You'd have to narrow it down a bit. I tend to favor breeders I've built a friendship with by interaction with them on forums and that isn't limited to those who sell seeds under brand names.

Enough breeders around with massive catalogues, it's almost impossible for them not to have a couple good lines each, but that is really just hit or miss and the luck of the draw that comes with making 30-80 crosses every season.

Very few breeders seem to actually believe in their work. They tell you how great something is going to be, then they move on from it in 6 months like it never happened and it's never seen again in any of their future offerings. That makes a breeder seem unreliable to me. If they don't work with their own gear, why would I want to continue it in any way either?

Aside from that, I like to find breeders who like to smoke the same kind of cannabis I do. Those seeds always seem to be better meds that really hit home than some random pick by looking at pictures and candy coated names.

In this thread, you'll see I grow indica dominant strains, chasing after potent narcotic type flowers. This tends to be Bubba Kush outcrosses, including Sour Bubble and other such plants. I love the Chem/OG lines and various outcrosses for recreational smoking. I grow blueberry and various outcrosses for thought provocation and mental healing.

You'll only see seeds here from F.A.M.I.L.Y. and friends for the most part.



dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

ABF Seeds - Cobalt Haze @4wks

This is Cobalt Haze #1 - She is in the front of the room and the one I still expect to be a cookie/haze type pheno and likely to give some purple later in flower. It'll take longer to flower than it's sibling. Slower to build resin and still stretching. One of the colas that I ended up super cropping is full of seed. Most everything else seems okay, but there are a few seeds here and there in the room. Oops.

Cobalt Haze #2 lower bud site, which you see in the bottom right of the previous picture. That angle actually shows how much more resin has developed on #2 vs #1 at this stage of flower.

dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

Med Tree Seeds - Suzy Q Bx2 @4wks.

I had to put 5 stakes in this plant after these pictures were taken. She's heavier and beefier than she looks. Not putting out much resin - but I think that is to be expected with what is essentially hemp. I'm no expert on that, so I'd love others to chime in. The line is a type II chemovar, which means there are still some plants that are going to be "hot" but the majority will test below 0.3 THC.

Lifting the branches up and positioning things with a few zip ties forced me to remove a few leaves which were now in the wrong places for proper air flow. The plant is situated in a much better position now where it's canopy is a bit more even and more light is getting to more budsites. I should have done this a bit earlier, in all fairness.

1 plant, but it's a beast. It has roughly 28 gallons of soil to itself and it certainly shows.

dank.Frank

 

[genetic freaked]

That Suzy Q is looking massive!

Do you think the Colbolt created pollen from the super cropping or from low light in that one area?

If it turns out to be good smoke would you run it again.

 

[dank.frank]

@GF - not sure. I don't think it was the Cobalt that made the seed. I found a couple of pollen sacks about a week after the others, except it was fully open and on the Suzy Q.

I think - pruning them as heavily as I did to get canopy back in the light coupled with excessively cold water being poured on a slightly overly dry soil bed...

I really do think there are several factors that make it growers error. I can't reach the back of the room because the plants are too tall, which means there are colas I can't inspect. The particular cola that is seeded, was super cropped a SECOND time as well, because she just wouldn't stop stretching.

I'll certainly run Cobalt #2 again. My whole next round will be that plant as long as it is smooth sailing at the end of flower.

I'm way rusty. Things in my environment still aren't 100% dialed in. There is a lot of 1/2 way done and put off little projects that need to be completed yet. I just couldn't stand having it so close and not having plants going. The other aspect of that is, thoughts and theories are great, but until you start doing and start making mistakes and correcting them, you'll never progress.



dank.Frank

 

[TheBlaze]

I'm willing to bet that if more growers were honest with themselves, they would find probable cause lands squarely at their own feet.

Same with the GG S1 mono run I did a while back. Hermie fest, but upon further inspection I found 2 possible light leaks. I also had a few power outages while getting the new rooms dialed in.

More growers should be critical of their skills and environment before calling foul.

Everything looking good though Frank.

 

[moses wellfleet]

I love the Sativa totem poles of that cobalt haze!

I can’t get used to the cbd plant. I keep coming back to look at it. No frost? It is like seeing granma without her wig on! I know it serves a purpose but the sight goes against everything I know about canna!!

 

[dank.frank]

@Moses - you're not the only one that plant throws off. It's made one person down right pissed to the point they called it schwag, and me, a hack grower. ROFLMAO.

It's important to remember, it isn't exactly just a high CBD plant. It's legitimately hemp - a Type II Chemovar - Type III is guaranteed to falll below federal THC standards of .3%. Most of the plants in this line, 80%, should be below the same threshold, but there will be outliers.

If you look back in this thread, I was hating on this plant from the beginning. It had very little to no smell on a stem rub, and I had declared there was a male I was keeping who was MUCH sticker to touch and had 10x the smell on a stem rub. I compared it to how Dr. Atomic NL smelled - which I was quick to state I didn't find that to be a positive.

Either way, this is a new learning curve. I've never done this before and they were some of the freshest seeds I had. ECt and I talked for about 4 years as he developed this work. In part, while his father was dying from brain cancer. I've chosen to grow Med Tree because his heart is in the right place. He's trying to heal people and that is something I'm proud to support.

Not to mention, as far as CBD goes, he's one of the most awarded breeders. He only gave the Suzy Q Bx2 line to 5 other people. It's nice to have friends.



dank.Frank

 

[heady blunts]

afaik type iii chemovars are predominantly cbd expressing with little to no thc production. it does not necessarily mean they will meet the 0.3% thc limit for hemp, although all legal hemp is type iii.

for example a plant that tested at say 20% cbd and 0.5% thc would still be a type iii, but not legal hemp under the farm bill’s definition. that said you could pull that same plant a few weeks early and it would be legit hemp scoring under that 0.3% mark.

fwiw ive grown out several cbd crosses that produced progeny across all three chemotypes.

definitely curious to see some of these further worked lines like the suzy bx2 and how they test out.

edit: please correct me if i’m wrong!

 

[dank.frank]

Honestly, Heady, I'm not even 100% sure myself. Logically, I think your statement would likely be more accurate than my own, in reading the two.

I've got some Richness as well from Med Tree. I know an F2 of that line produced a 22% CBD and .11% THC - I think it was. The male in that line is a pure CBD plant.

My goal with sorting these lines - is to find a plant that can be taken to full maturity and still comply. I've seen a LOT of hemp in the past couple years. Most, is grossly inferior and part of that reason is the early harvests.

It doesn't seem like the extractors care one way or the other about ANY degree of quality. Their end product is refined isolate to oil, so it doesn't seem to matter in the grand scheme. There are fresh flower sales, but even that looks not too uncommon from mexi brick. I know several places are selling pre-rolled and it is doing quite well. I'm honestly baffled by it all.

It's untapped potential market and I'd love to find a plant that is compliant, that has the look and can be taken to full maturity. I'm not 100% certain this first Suzy Bx2 is going to be a keeper. However, I'm not going to discard anything from the room at this point. Way too much to learn still about this other side of cannabis.

I'll keep exploring and I'll perpetuate the lines in one way or another once I learn enough and find the right plants. I just need to fill my jars first, with enough to carry me through harvests so I can explore without penalty.



dank.Frank

 

[Itsmychoice]

I am on a similar quest looking for a good compliant cbd mom. I have Dinamed plus, master hemp, solodiol, candida, and then some local seeds from last year going to search and do some breeding with. With the numbers and the breeding being so recent it would seem that if you could grow enough seeds and do enough testing the next best plant has to be close. Oregon cbd reportedly sold 8 mil. seeds Sunday in 37 minutes for a dollar each. The winner might be in that batch but only a small percentage will get tested. It’s a crazy time. Another one to watch is Georgia. Their proposed medical law allows 5% max thc. A huge cbd number and under 5% thc might be a desirable plant soon.

 

[heady blunts]

this test is from one pack of medtree’s ac/dc cookies i grew a few years ago. not the ratios you’re looking for i know but check out the TAC and high levels of thcv! just an example of the quality of work ECt does and he’s been working all those in the years since!

furthermore it looked smelled and tasted great. i think there will be a niche market for high quality cbd flower that the big ag ops can’t provide for. while everyone is growing out midsy cbdshark and other boring bs shit i’m hunting for the type of cbd flowers that will entice even the most skeptical old heads to puff it and experience the cbd therapeutics.

 

[dank.frank]

Oh. Here is another reason to support Med Tree Seeds - perhaps, in part, because they are the best at what they do.

dank.Frank

 

[Guest]

Honestly, Heady, I'm not even 100% sure myself. Logically, I think your statement would likely be more accurate than my own, in reading the two.

I've got some Richness as well from Med Tree. I know an F2 of that line produced a 22% CBD and .11% THC - I think it was. The male in that line is a pure CBD plant.

My goal with sorting these lines - is to find a plant that can be taken to full maturity and still comply. I've seen a LOT of hemp in the past couple years. Most, is grossly inferior and part of that reason is the early harvests.

It doesn't seem like the extractors care one way or the other about ANY degree of quality. Their end product is refined isolate to oil, so it doesn't seem to matter in the grand scheme. There are fresh flower sales, but even that looks not too uncommon from mexi brick. I know several places are selling pre-rolled and it is doing quite well. I'm honestly baffled by it all.

It's untapped potential market and I'd love to find a plant that is compliant, that has the look and can be taken to full maturity. I'm not 100% certain this first Suzy Bx2 is going to be a keeper. However, I'm not going to discard anything from the room at this point. Way too much to learn still about this other side of cannabis.

I'll keep exploring and I'll perpetuate the lines in one way or another once I learn enough and find the right plants. I just need to fill my jars first, with enough to carry me through harvests so I can explore without penalty.



dank.Frank

Awesome Frank