Distinguished and Nurtured Kind

[dank.frank]

It's not just JJ he screwed over. Karma G as well. MoneyMike. His entire company was started by going against the will of those that were kind enough to give him a leg up. Breeding with testers. Back room shady agreements to get clones he shouldn't have had access to, for the sole purpose of rubbing someones face in it again. Basically remaking lines that already exist using the exact same genetics as those he took from in the first place.

He's a prick.



dank.Frank

 

[Americangrower]

yeah forgot the about polar bear that was low. Seems to be how the world works today. They all just move to Colorado buy/trade clones and do whatever they want. But if you think about it thats how its been in Europe forever, how many copied White widow, Ak47 etc.

 

[dank.frank]

I was just going through my albums and came across the meme I made. It made me chuckle again so I had to put it in the thread...lol.

I'll not grow his gear, but it's not like I have anything against those who do. It's more personal to me because he wronged F.A.M.



dank.Frank

 

[Zapadra]

Lol! Industry is as industry does.

 

[dank.frank]

Cobalt Haze is at 43". I'm nervous. I just might end up cutting the tops of these plants off yet. A terrible thought. I've had to shed the lower 12-14" of the plant at this point due to inefficient growth.

As the canopy gets denser, light penetration is being reduced to about 16-18" max. I think with proper training this is going to be my sweet spot in future runs, where most of the flowering growth will be concentrated.

This is far superior to an old 400w HPS where that penetration is 8-10", maybe 12" max. This has been one of my biggest concerns when switching to these new lights in terms of their touted production ability.

I can't WAIT for these flowers to start filling in and the frost to start forming.

dank.Frank

 

[TheBlaze]

Looking mighty fine Frank.

What about super cropping that cobalt haze? I only do it in emergencies, as snapping the branch happens a little too often for my liking.

 

[dank.frank]

I actually did so earlier in veg as opposed to topping...and the stems pulled upright again, although, it did allow some lowers to catch up to the canopy.

I'm really stuck here mentally. The plant doesn't stretch at all during lights on, but at night during lights off. I've raised the lights twice now. I'm seeing enough elongation between internodes - 5-8", that I think if I just top, the secondary branches might still grow out enough to not cripple yield potential.

It's just blasphemy to take the top cola off the plant...LOL. The alternative may just be burnt to crisp flowers. Oops.

I'll have to make a choice though. The longer I wait the more detrimental it will be and the less time the secondary has a chance to grow. Chances are I'll top, considering it's only about 10 days in. I have another 2 weeks at least of growth, so...



dank.Frank

 

[heady blunts]

that sounds about right for the 315’s penetration. more than a 400 but not as deep as a 6.

they are weird lights in that sweet spot distance. if i overgrow my canopy a bit i find the top buds are a little stressed out and the ones just below them are picture perfect.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I actually did so earlier in veg as opposed to topping...and the stems pulled upright again, although, it did allow some lowers to catch up to the canopy.

I'm really stuck here mentally. The plant doesn't stretch at all during lights on, but at night during lights off. I've raised the lights twice now. I'm seeing enough elongation between internodes - 5-8", that I think if I just top, the secondary branches might still grow out enough to not cripple yield potential.

It's just blasphemy to take the top cola off the plant...LOL. The alternative may just be burnt to crisp flowers. Oops.

I'll have to make a choice though. The longer I wait the more detrimental it will be and the less time the secondary has a chance to grow. Chances are I'll top, considering it's only about 10 days in. I have another 2 weeks at least of growth, so...



dank.Frank

I have laid a few tops sideways before. Might end up looking more like tittys on a stick than a cola.

 

[Prodigygrower]

I would suggest super cropping as well. Not snapping and bending so much as just cracking the outermost wall along the main stem and each branch you feel may stretch past the point of harm. I’ve done this in the past and found the plant redirects eagerly into repairing instead of stretching. I’ve also topped in flower which in my experience was a horrible mistake. Is it possible to put some kind of trellis up and train them through that in a scrog type way? Either way epic thread brother and I’m sure you will figure it out.

 

[nickman]

yoir Best option is probably topping I think... better to do it now than waiting and not having enough time for the secondary growth to catch up...!!!...
or you could pinch the tops every couple days until stretch stops...

But you allready know what to do ...

Looking goood man.....

 

[Vanilla Phoenix]

Supercrop em! I do it all the time during the stretch. Just did it on a wedding cake actually. I pinched and snapped a few taller colas, then laid them over 90 degrees. Works great, imo. The other colas catch up some, and after a couple days, the cola starts growing again and recovers.

 

[dank.frank]

I've super-cropped. The more Cookie-esque SSHx was really getting much too leggy. It's found apical dominance in one branch and that one had grown at least 14" in the last 3 days. No joke. It had at out grown the surrounding canopy by at least 8".

Doing the fold just lowered the necessary tops 13". Better now than later. I just couldn't bring myself to cut them. I spoke with F.A.M. about it last night and after careful consideration put the scissors back in the drawer.

My fear is though, with the vigor they displayed when they were super cropped the first time, they will just knuckle up and straighten out again, albeit, that was in veg with different hormones kicking around and under far less intense lighting.

The most logical way to prevent that would be to set a screen in place now. I'm going to need something for flower support anyway.

I think in part the stretch is so uncontrollable because there are only 3 plants spreading roots in nearly 60 gallons of soil...LOL. So, yeah, there is that to keep in mind.

dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

"I learned it by watching YOU!" Cat burglar really enjoys eating the Snow Monkey male. I'll pull lower fan leaves off the Suzy Q Bx2 in flower and all I get is a sniff and then a look towards the male in veg. Cat knows what cat likes.



dank.Frank

 

[Prodigygrower]

Beautifully done broski

 

[useless.gardens]

screen them. the super crop was right on time. you're right, they'll knuckle and go right back to running. you can always tie the cropped branch to the stalk to keep them from straightening out. but, with a screen, you can turn the growth through the wire and control stretch more. i agree with both nick & vanilla. and, i advocate both topping & cropping... especially before the stretch really gets going. best way to tame any beast, though, is a screen. and, you'll be able to manipulate the lights in a predictable way as a result.

 

[dank.frank]

Thanks for the advice and reassurance! I'll work the screen in after lights off. This is pretty much exactly the conclusion I came to yesterday after talking with F.A.M. and the confirmation certainly helps with any hesitation that may have been there.



dank.Frank

 

[useless.gardens]

no doubt. i crop & then use twist ties to keep the plant from straightening out.

screen though is my fav.

 

[TheBlaze]

I've noticed plants don't stretch much under double ended Gavitas. I've seen this play out with multiple strains now. If I want them tall, I have to get them vertical in veg. Not really a solution for you Frank, just something interesting I've picked up over the last few flower runs I've done.

 

[nickman]

I’ve been pinching the tops of a few plants I have in veg recently And it’s just amazing how fast those tops bend right back up to the light...

Shit, one of the plants looks like it has steps the way I supercropped it...

I really like doing it because I end up with more main colas on that branch...

I’ve found if you pull the branch’s as far as you can without snapping it off, then stack it and tie it to the stake...then all those little side shoots stand up and try to become main tops as well ...!!!... Just something I like to do...