Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[slowandeasy]

It also turns out that I C mag is no different than the real bigoted world. in that we have 1400 post on a topic thats all been quite nice and a good read.

3 people suddenly think its not worthy of a sticky and its removed fuck me you lot are septic in your own world.

do you not think your actions actually question the legitimacy of the forums freedom.

Its a shame the freedom you all treat as you right is not extended to others.

trust me the removal of fan leafs does increase future bud sights fact.

I am with you Bob, just because this method is not for everyone does not mean it should be unstickied. It is a very informative thread, weather the haters like it or not. I understand it goes against the beliefs of most growers...including me.....but it works! I go by experience, which I have many years of. If I had 10 foot ceilings I would not even consider doing this in veg, but my space is limited. No way on earth I can duplicate the amount of bud sites using any other method and keep it from outgrowing my tent....PERIOD.

 

[Rasta311]

Im doing a side by side right now. One chronic defoliated, one with lower bud sites trimmed, and one untouched. All grown with blumats and coco.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I am with you Bob, just because this method is not for everyone does not mean it should be unstickied. It is a very informative thread, weather the haters like it or not. I understand it goes against the beliefs of most growers...including me.....but it works! I go by experience, which I have many years of. If I had 10 foot ceilings I would not even consider doing this in veg, but my space is limited. No way on earth I can duplicate the amount of bud sites using any other method and keep it from outgrowing my tent....PERIOD.

I agree that it would be fine as a sticky, as long as the title were changed to reflect the actual benefits people are saying they experience.

Sounds more like this should be stickied in the micro grows subforum, titled as a bonsai technique of some sort.

 

[Bob-Hope]

funny how you jump in mr toker.. i wasnt even addressing you.

but you obviously have a cross to bare.

and dont start with the selective copy and paste it just makes you look foolish.

it works for me and thats all that matters.

and the difference in opinion was your doing as i kept mine to myself.

and what the fuck are going on about human rights for. you idiot.

And please remember you no ones enemy but your own.

 

[slowandeasy]

I agree that it would be fine as a sticky, as long as the title were changed to reflect the actual benefits people are saying they experience.

Sounds more like this should be stickied in the micro grows subforum, titled as a bonsai technique of some sort.

I would agree, but not everyone is doing it in Veg as well as flower. Some are doing it just in Flower, as I did this past round. My yield was much higher than previous and the Buds were much more dense. I only defoliated in Flower, my plants were huge...far from Micro-grow. I would only defoliate in Veg, to keep plants from outgrowing my area.

BTW, I respect you very much and agree that it goes against the grain to do this to plants. But if people never experimented, where would we be now in this world? It works for some people, and that is all that matters.

 

[JWP]

I agree that it would be fine as a sticky, as long as the title were changed to reflect the actual benefits people are saying they experience.

Sounds more like this should be stickied in the micro grows subforum, titled as a bonsai technique of some sort.

I concur (while laughing my ass off)

Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique... please..

 

[Caille]

Working with a strain I had dialed in I am noticing a difference with defoliation. I will not know til harvest how much if any benefit I got from a more notable defoliation than I usually do (never had trouble removing offending fans).


But so far the ladies are loving the light penetration.




Alexis
*smiles*

 

[Phedrosbenny]

The forum needs a "Experimental growing techniques".........section.

 

[staff11]

I already stated numerous times I am trying it out. I have never been and will never be afraid to try new things. The only thing I am questioning is the statement that pulling off fan leaves in VEG create more shoots/growth. Just by topping the fucking plant you are triggering hormones in the plant to grow side shoots, same with LST, suppercropping or any other training method. i think you guys are obviously seeing the plant grow SLOWER(VERTICALLY) which Bob has just pointed out because you are taking away a huge energy source from the plant, it still doesn't prove to me that it is creating more shoots.....

By removing the shade it might promote those shoots to grow faster, but again I'm still a skeptic. And there is nothing wrong with questioning a method that seems so illogical.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

We are redirecting the energy.Its used making more budsights that equal more bud.

 

[staff11]

We are redirecting the energy.Its used making more budsights that equal more bud.

So is LST, Topping and supercropping. Tell me again, they play no part what so ever?

 

[Phedrosbenny]

I already stated numerous times I am trying it out. I have never been and will never be afraid to try new things. The only thing I am questioning is the statement that pulling off fan leaves in VEG create more shoots/growth. Just by topping the fucking plant you are triggering hormones in the plant to grow side shoots, same with LST, suppercropping or any other training method. i think you guys are obviously seeing the plant grow SLOWER(VERTICALLY) which Bob has just pointed out because you are taking away a huge energy source from the plant, it still doesn't prove to me that it is creating more shoots.....

By removing the shade it might promote those shoots to grow faster, but again I'm still a skeptic. And there is nothing wrong with questioning a method that seems so illogical.

Atleast you are giving it a try.You will know how it goes for yourself shortly.

Some strains dont do good with this tek though.I would say most strains that dont like topping will pobably not do good.

Good Luck.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

So is LST, Topping and supercropping. Tell me again, they play no part what so ever?

Sure they do.But the defoilating does something different than the others.I like to use them all together.They compliment each other well.

 

[Relentless]

ive been topping, supercropping, defoliating,etc. the more torture the better!! my ladies are still in veg though..

as far as defoliating in flower.. seems like taking a few leaves at a time would be better than taking a whole crap load at once.. just a thought..

 

[Phedrosbenny]

Dont know why some people get off by coming here and starting arguments among friends.

 

[SoCoMMJ]

lol i don't check in here for a day and look what happens.

I defoliate because it works.

I have had side by side plants. The leafy plants have smaller and fewer budsites. You have to hash the bottom 1/3 of the plant's popcorn buds on the leafy plants vs usable buds on defoliated plants.

Do it if you want. Don't do it if you don't want.

 

[buddin_904]

I already stated numerous times I am trying it out. I have never been and will never be afraid to try new things. The only thing I am questioning is the statement that pulling off fan leaves in VEG create more shoots/growth. Just by topping the fucking plant you are triggering hormones in the plant to grow side shoots, same with LST, suppercropping or any other training method. i think you guys are obviously seeing the plant grow SLOWER(VERTICALLY) which Bob has just pointed out because you are taking away a huge energy source from the plant, it still doesn't prove to me that it is creating more shoots.....

By removing the shade it might promote those shoots to grow faster, but again I'm still a skeptic. And there is nothing wrong with questioning a method that seems so illogical.

i am a proponent of defol in flower, but i agree with you on this point...IMO its stupid to defol in veg...your removing leaves for what purpose?? obviously there not blocking any bud so therefore it would be pointless......im with you on this...there r other ways of creating sideshooting than removing the plants only photosynth source in veg.....retarded IMO....DO defol in flower tho, thats all, thanks

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

I defoliated the round that's finishing up this week. I took a few fans for clean up 30 days veg when I took clones. I then plucked them 50% at least on Day 1 of flower. Day 21 I plucked the hell out of em.

They're just finishing up. The buds are thicker and have a higher crown. On a strain that really didn't form big colas but rather golf balls last time have stacked larger buds to form colas.

The buds filled out thicker below but only some strains, the rest I ended limbing up so there's little fluff.

The plants turned yellow half way through flower. Except for the 1 plant that was very lightly defoliated. This plant still greenish turning colors towards harvest. Havent checked the trichs on that but honestly down't look any diff. I don't think this is a defoliation thin but more of a timing/rootspace issue. Unless the fact that there were less leaves to pull nutrients from towards the middle of flower that the plant couldn't keep up and I didn't get on top of it with tea. I dunno

they appear to be a ready at least a week earlier than last time. The trichs are as cloudy at 7 weeks than last time at 8-ish.

Who knows. This is my first round with a heavy defoliation.

I have 3 bbk plants 2 defoliated as above and one that only had say 20% removed and only the fans larger than my hand. I'm going to give it a subjective look tonight and ask my wife to compare size, developement, etc without telling her why I want to compare.

Smiley

 

[mrwags]

Dont know why some people get off by coming here and starting arguments among friends.

And to think these wise words come from a guy that joined up THIS YEAR

To me it is VERY IMPORTANT to understand the OP of this thread has been doing this style for DECADES. Not days or weeks or even years were talking DECADES.

The ability to be able to look at a plant and know what it needs is something no website or book or you tube video will ever teach. Now understand it might be able to give you an IDEA of what to do but ONLY YOU know YOUR GROW and only YOU can make it or break it.

I kinda like it when someone posts up something like "I tried your advice and you killed my plants a-hole" like it was the man giving the advice that drove over to the grow and poured it in his plants lol

I usually come back with "dude you need to run into the bathroom right now and look in the mirror and give that SOB you see hell for killing your plants."

To me this method is something that would require a great deal of time to effectively learn the proper way to do it. I've never tried it to this extreme so I will say his results look effective so he might be on to something BUT how would this method work on bigger plants say a 3-5 gallon bucket where as the energy needed for her would be considerable greater?

When I get more time I think I'll come back and read some more.


Have A Great Day
Mr.Wags

 

[stony2]

when plants grew too high i usually removed the upmost few sun shade leaves of the few highest branches so that they wouldnt steal the light from the surrounding buds. those buds would always go on to become less dense / heavy than the ones that still had their big leaves. so if you remove them from all branches, allowing more light to spread through to the lower branches, it might work, but i doubt you will yield much more than if you just leave the plant untouched

but, i admit, it's a nice idea. you should always experiment to get the best out of your system