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Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?
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The above two posts are proof you did not read the pdf or the entire thread as you stated.
As per post #153 which just happens to also be in the first page of the pdf: Post #153 Several posters have suggested that they would like to see a side by side. Unfortunately it is not
as easy as that. Defoliation allows plants to intertwine. It is not advisable to defoliate and train one and
allow the neighboring plant to leaf out and get tall. The leafy one will shade out direct and reflective light
and the comparison would be invalid.
Anyway, this is not some kind of horse race for height or cola size. It's a way to maximize production in a
limited amount of artificially lit space.
Also I might suggest you sir are not the consummate grower you seem to think you are. Having looked at all your grow journals in your sig, it's quite obvious your methods are lacking. Rarely do you show a very healthy plant. I can't say I have ever seen so many grows by a grower with droopy, discolored leafs, grow after grow. Most growers seek out help and try to find out why they are not as healthy as so many other peoples plants.
I'd also like to show you just a couple pics of my current grow. On the previous page I showed a number of pics from earlier. Now I'd like to show the last week or so. You tell me if my plants look a little bit healthier than yours. My grow is only 4 plants in a 4'x4' tent under led with cfl's to supplement the corners. 4 plants in double the size of your 2'x2'. Do you think I may just get 10 times your yield? Honestly now. Do you?
Pic #1 21 days stretch, just before defoliation.
Pic #2 after one long session of de-leafing.
Pic #3 A middle height top.
Pic #4 A corner mid height top.
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Experimented with NL5xHaze clones I'm familiar with, at 1000W. Never again.
There probably was an overall weight increase, but there definitely was a decrease after a good trimming. The clone has frost-free leaves of little value, and the plant decided it would make lots of little leaves in the buds. Great if you like leafy buds.
There probably was an overall weight increase, but there definitely was a decrease after a good trimming. The clone has frost-free leaves of little value, and the plant decided it would make lots of little leaves in the buds. Great if you like leafy buds.
So glad I happened to notice Delta's ongoing thread. Pretty hard to argue with people getting 10-15 oz per plant, indoors, in hydro, using this technique.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=5122779&posted=1#post5122779
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=5122779&posted=1#post5122779
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disciple
I like this thread except for the detactors who somehow can't get beyond the fact that there are a number of different ways to up your yield. This is not about my way is better than yours but a method that is an option if your willing to try. I have been using this method for years with great results. I tend to grow my plants short and bushy in three 4'x8' tents with two 600 watt HPS per tent. Each tent supports 15 plants. I have a YETI air conditioner to circulate the cool air from tent to tent with 8" ducting to my exhaust. My tents run 72. 76, and 80 degree's respectively. My method is to open the bud sites by standing over a plant looking down and creating tunnels for the light to penetrate. You want the light to show on the floor. It is all about getting light penetration to your budsites plain and simple! With short stocky plants like I grow, the fan leaf shade is just compounded. I have great pics of my current grow but can't seem to get them to download. Any suggestions? Except for a couple sativa's the plants all are all about three feet. They are 30 days into flower with forty to go. The grow is Fox Farm Ocean using G. H. Floranova every other watering in 5 gal. smartpots. I use this method because my space is limited. I truly beleive this method increases yield. You will be amazed at how quickly your big fans return. I just keep trimming as they fill in and bending branches out to get more light to the buds. Good luck to all. As a final note, I have NEVER lost a plant using this method.
i was done with this thread but i can't resist a good shit talking. all my plants in all those threads except where noted are perfectly healthy. im sorry if my plants don't look pretty enough for you but im not in a beauty contest im growing weed.
anyway im out. make sure to unsubscribe so i don't see this pop up in my feed and im not tempted to come back and preach on deaf ears.
anyway im out. make sure to unsubscribe so i don't see this pop up in my feed and im not tempted to come back and preach on deaf ears.
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im actually one of those that think the fan leaves are useful but i just took one of my plants and removed all the fan leaves. i start flowering on monday or so, lets see how this goes
Post pics.. I want to see the before and after please
eh, ive seen some difference in yield, but i dont remove All the fan leaves, i just remove those fanleaves that shade out lower buds.
they grow rather quickly back.
i can see the point in this with bushy strains. (but i dont find the yield to be that much greater really, anything thats not a top is not going to get that big with most strains, just a bit bigger with more light. though some strains do yield nice all the way down with enough light.)
but its worth an experiment to find out if it suits you.
they grow rather quickly back.
i can see the point in this with bushy strains. (but i dont find the yield to be that much greater really, anything thats not a top is not going to get that big with most strains, just a bit bigger with more light. though some strains do yield nice all the way down with enough light.)
but its worth an experiment to find out if it suits you.
Thats what I do as well. I just got dont doing some pruning but I do not remove all of the fans either..
one of the biggest benefits I've noticed is those lower buds that would have turned out loose and "B" quality. once the leaves are picked, they end up "A" quality and just as frosty, tight, and hard as the top nugs.
peace,
Infi
peace,
Infi
Elite Nugz
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Yeah... I see that Im probably wasting my time.. but maybe 1 or 2 people will hear it out. If not, oh well. As far as people attacking my grow.. LOL.. Good luck on that one. Not to sound cocky... but my plants speak for themselves... No need for me to defend anything. I've been growing too long to argue with people here about non-sense. Take my advice.. or dont.. Either way, it doesnt matter to me.
Even if there was a side-by-side comparison... it wouldnt make any difference. Plants vary WAY too much for one simple side by side comparison to be considered "proof" or "fact". The amount of yield you get from a plant starts from the moment its cloned. A strong clone will outperform a weak clone on yield any day, due to the strong clones vigor. There are WAY too many variables for a simple side by side comparison to mean anything. Now if you took 2 batches of, lets say, 20 plants, and put them in the exact same environment, and make sure that everything is identical (which would be pretty damn hard)... then that type of comparison would hold more ground, then 2 single plants grown side by side.
Yeah.... I would to... but only by a non-bias grower, that has some decent experience under his belt.... But the truth is... No experienced grower in there right mind would strip a plant of most of its leaves, like I seen in a few pics, a couple pages back.
Remove, cut leaves in half, tuck or tie down any leave that is blocking a bud site... Thats the only time you'll gain any yield, by removing them. But if you get too crazy with it, then your just screwing your plants over. Personally... I cringe when I have to remove a big healthy leaf from my plants. I'll tuck them, before resulting to drastic measures, like cutting them completely off.
I posted my comment to try and help the newer growers around here. I remember when I first started... I wanted to find any quick and easy way to increase yield and potency that I could. I tried just about everything... from stabbing knives through the main stocks of my plants, to stripping leaves off, and all that.
If you want bigger yields... start with your light source. Figure out a way to get them most light to your plants as possible.. but you also have to know when you provide too much light.
Next.. figure out how to get more oxygen to your roots. More oxygen, produces bigger yields and healthier plants.
Carbon Dioxide... Increase Co2 and if you do it correctly, expect 20-30% bigger yields.
Temperature.... Plant slow in too high and too low of temps. 76-78 degrees is perfect. 86 degrees if enriched with Co2.
Humidity... 45-55% and your good. Too high RH, and your plant wont work as hard... too low and your plant will work too hard.
Then there's the nutrients... which I can go on forever on that topic.
Tweak your environment to mimic nature. Warm in the beginning... cooler towards the end. A chiller towards the end of flowering will mimic fall coming to an end, in the plants root zone, accelerating things. Light distance... move lights back towards the end of flowering, to help ripening.
So instead of trying to find all these crazy methods to increase yield... they should strive to create the perfect environment, with perfect PH and perfect nutrient mixes, and flushing. Get your shit dialed in... thats how you get more yield. Use all of your light.. fill in gaps, so that every drop on light is hitting your plants. Dont strip your plants of what makes them grow... that makes absolutely no sense, what so ever. Try to tuck the leaves, instead of pulling them off. If there blocking a bud site and they wont stay tucked, then tie em... if thats too much work.. then only cut a portion of the fan leaf off... just enough to allow light to the bud site below. Only take leaves off.. if its the last resort.
Im not so concerned about increasing the yield doing what I do. Im doing it to improve the quality of the buds I have. I trim most of the larf off the plant before she is in flower. No lower branched that can't reach the top canopy or close to it by Training,Topping,Pruning are cut off. Quality is first. Yield is secondary for me. Losing some leaves here and there is pretty normal for any plant.. You guys that completely remove all fan leaves if thats what you like and your happy with the results then thats what you should do..
^^ see all this... highly redundant... who do you think you're educating? one should use all of these things you mention plus defoliate when the strain permits
DUUURR plant genetics are the largest factor in determining quality and yield... but then how do we maximize the yield for a genetic once all the environmental considerations are accounted for????? please you ignore everything else please answer me this?
YOU have some nice equipment though... how about you vent those hoods you got there
LOL man this is some funny stuff!
i don't remember anyone cutting on your skills or your plants but i do remember you barging in here spouting off things of which you know nothing about!
how about you start your own high yield thread and we will see how many people tune in to that... instead of you coming in here and trying to teach us how wrong we are doing things.
Maybe its a matter of etiquette IDK
you did completely ignore my replays to your earlier post, I know I probably made it kind of hard for you to have any logical arguments for your case. so if your just trolling, have fun i guess?
yes i dont see the point of removing all of the fans.
yield follows quality.
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disciple
^^ this plant is a little aggressively defoliated and so therefore i wouldn't recommend everyone go balls out like this with just any plant... having said that, this particular plant responds very well to it when you know what leaves to take at what time. like I've said not far back Sativas are more sensitive to defoliation than Indicas, so be more careful with them.
great post disciple,
peace
Infi
Don't see a point in defoliation?
4' x 4' tent. Under LED.
Pic #1, 2nd major stripping in veg, approx 8-10 days before 12/12 flip.
Pic #2, day 20 in 12/12 before stripping again.
Pic #3, day 22, after first few hours of defoliation on the same four plants. Takes a long time to do all this. More to be done.
Pic #4, another shot of same as above.
** Things I've learned thus far:
1. Four plants is at least 1 too many in 4' x 4' tent! They get so bushy they can still overcrowd and shade each other.
2. I still need more light.
3. Prepping in veg by doing this twice has major rewards in terms of structure and massive node development, even from seedlings as these above are.
4. BENDING is a very important part of this technique.
4' x 4' tent. Under LED.
Pic #1, 2nd major stripping in veg, approx 8-10 days before 12/12 flip.
Pic #2, day 20 in 12/12 before stripping again.
Pic #3, day 22, after first few hours of defoliation on the same four plants. Takes a long time to do all this. More to be done.
Pic #4, another shot of same as above.
** Things I've learned thus far:
1. Four plants is at least 1 too many in 4' x 4' tent! They get so bushy they can still overcrowd and shade each other.
2. I still need more light.
3. Prepping in veg by doing this twice has major rewards in terms of structure and massive node development, even from seedlings as these above are.
4. BENDING is a very important part of this technique.
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