Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[Elite Nugz]

Defoliation...?? Huh..??

The leaves on a plant work like solar panels. Those solar panels are what produce the plants energy. Not only do they produce the plants energy, but the plants use their leaves to release oxygen as a byproduct.. those leaves ALSO absorb Carbon Dioxide... and the whole reason a plant even pulls up water and nutrients, is for the leaves.. To keep them cool with water and to feed the photosynthesis process. Stripping a plant of its leaves, would be like sowing a persons nose and mouth closed. The plant becomes less able to breath.. and the plant no longer needs to pull up as much water and nutrients. So all your doing is slowing plant growth.

Removing leaves is 100% harmful to the plant and by no means beneficial. The only time leaves should be removed is if they dont receive enough light, they prevent good air circulation around the base of the plant, the leaf is more the 75% dead or if you have a plant with large fan leaves that are blocking lower tops/bud site. Removing large fan leaves that are blocking lower bud sites, is the "only" type of defoliation that would increase yield.

Im not sure where some of this stuff comes from...

No offense to anyone on this thread.. but if you want big buds... then grow healthy, pest and disease free plants. There's no easy way around it... Honestly..

 

[Infinitesimal]

Defoliation...?? Huh..??

The leaves on a plant work like solar panels. Those solar panels are what produce the plants energy. Not only do they produce the plants energy, but the plants use their leaves to release oxygen as a byproduct.. those leaves ALSO absorb Carbon Dioxide... and the whole reason a plant even pulls up water and nutrients, is for the leaves.. To keep them cool with water and to feed the photosynthesis process. Stripping a plant of its leaves, would be like sowing a persons nose and mouth closed. The plant becomes less able to breath.. and the plant no longer needs to pull up as much water and nutrients. So all your doing is slowing plant growth.
^^ see all this... highly redundant

Removing leaves is 100% harmful to the plant and by no means beneficial. The only time leaves should be removed is if they dont receive enough light, they prevent good air circulation around the base of the plant, the leaf is more the 75% dead or if you have a plant with large fan leaves that are blocking lower tops/bud site. Removing large fan leaves that are blocking lower bud sites, is the "only" type of defoliation that would increase yield.


Im not sure where some of this stuff comes from...

No offense to anyone on this thread.. but if you want big buds... then grow healthy, pest and disease free plants. There's no easy way around it... Honestly..

Oh Boy!... another one...

you challenge... and then reaffirm our technique in the same sentence... likely cause either you didn't read this whole thread or you simply didn't understand it fully

Defoliation...?? Huh..??



Removing leaves is 100% harmful to the plant and by no means beneficial. The only time leaves should be removed is if they dont receive enough light, they prevent good air circulation around the base of the plant, the leaf is more the 75% dead or if you have a plant with large fan leaves that are blocking lower tops/bud site. Removing large fan leaves that are blocking lower bud sites, is the "only" type of defoliation that would increase yield.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------^^ and is the type we are referring to

OK Soooo... this is the technique of defoliation so... thank you for stating the obvious.

that is the goal of defoliation for high yield... is to remove leaves in order to expose bud sites and their accompanying leaves that would have otherwise been shaded... get it

and you should only perform this technique on Healthy, Pest and Disease free plants... Honestly... If you want Big Buds...but No Offense!


^^ these are fully dry too

 

[Infinitesimal]

Defoliation...?? Huh..??

The leaves on a plant work like solar panels. Those solar panels are what produce the plants energy.

P.S. FYI... PV cells AKA solar panels work by photons knocking electrons lose from the silicon atom, and taking its place in orbit of the nucleus. then the free electron goes directly to a source of ground, a battery or electrical device to be consumed. nothing at all like how a leaf performs photosynthesis

 

[disciple]

 

[Diesel dreams]

Defoliation...?? Huh..??

So all your doing is slowing plant growth.

Removing leaves is 100% harmful to the plant and by no means beneficial.

Im not sure where some of this stuff comes from...

No offense to anyone on this thread.. but if you want big buds... then grow healthy, pest and disease free plants. There's no easy way around it... Honestly..

Lets see your Elite Nugz....

 

[magiccannabus]

Defoliation...?? Huh..??

The leaves on a plant work like solar panels. Those solar panels are what produce the plants energy. Not only do they produce the plants energy, but the plants use their leaves to release oxygen as a byproduct.. those leaves ALSO absorb Carbon Dioxide... and the whole reason a plant even pulls up water and nutrients, is for the leaves.. To keep them cool with water and to feed the photosynthesis process. Stripping a plant of its leaves, would be like sowing a persons nose and mouth closed. The plant becomes less able to breath.. and the plant no longer needs to pull up as much water and nutrients. So all your doing is slowing plant growth.

A better way to look at it is to think about why a plant has multiple leaves and a person only has one mouth/nose. It's all about need. If our body gained advantage from having lots of mouths and noses, then our bodies would have them. If they grew like leaves do, we could end up with way more of them than the surface of our head could hold. Then we'd have to stack them somehow(I know they are holes and that's silly, but it's an analogy...). There is no survival advantage to us being made like that.

So a plant needs light, and gas exchange and all those other fun things leaves do. Outside, where the light source moves around all day, it makes a lot of sense to stack leaf structures vertically, and without the space limitations there's no need to train plants to be more dense.

Indoors we tend to have fixed light sources, space limitations, and a whole slew of other differences. When one leaf shades the one below it, I think the stems stretch out to try to make more space for light to get in. Outside this is great, but inside this can cause big problems if you don't prepare for it properly. By carefully and strategically removing leaves, you can temporarily stunt the growth of specific sections, transferring the growth hormones to the newest growth in the shoots, and thus preventing that internode section to stay that length. It's a topping technique in a sense, with most of the exact same principals.

My own experience thus far, limited as it is, has been very positive. I learned a few things the hard way, but I am now a fan of strategic use of this technique. Just a few things to bear in mind:

1) After a trim, the plant will need less water than it did before, and thus it's very easy to over-water the plant at this stage. Tread carefully.

2) Extreme trimming slows the plant down. Cutting off the fan leaf on a branch before a shoot really starts will slow it down a lot. Sometimes this is fine in crowded parts of the plant, but it should be kept in mind when selecting leaves to cut.

3) Leaving a few good fan sets toward the bottom is important to preventing a slow down, but it is equally important to leaf a good amount of mid-sized leaves around the plant. Only target the big fans with their own stems, because they have already done their work on the node they are attached to.

4) If you want to defoliate the whole plant, it causes less stress if done in stages.

 

[magiccannabus]

dp

 

[stihgnobevoli]

wasting your time with these guys nugs. they aren't gonna actually show you any proof of anything, just gonna make claims and suggest you acquire their proof through your own experimentation.

im surprised it took 3-4 whole posts before they started attacking your plants and grows. that usually only takes one post.

 

[dramamine]

wasting your time with these guys nugs. they aren't gonna actually show you any proof of anything, just gonna make claims and suggest you acquire their proof through your own experimentation.

im surprised it took 3-4 whole posts before they started attacking your plants and grows. that usually only takes one post.

What proof could possibly exist? Pics? Comparisons? There are plenty. Do you think cutting the tops off plants is a good practice? Why, or why not? Did someone prove it to you in a post? It's the same concept, BTW......shaping the plant and redirecting its energy to better suit the growing environment.


....peace

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i read most of this actual thread thread, and all of the PDF which supposedly summarizes this thread. not one single side by side comparison. just plants done in the hi-yield technique which are supposedly higher yielding than non defoliated plants. minus the proof.

 

[dramamine]

i read most of this actual thread thread, and all of the PDF which supposedly summarizes this thread. not one single side by side comparison. just plants done in the hi-yield technique which are supposedly higher yielding than non defoliated plants. minus the proof.

Everything on the internet is 'supposedly'. Leaves people room to believe what they want....or to prove it to themselves. Again, what would be 'proof' to you? Did you miss Delta9nxs' posts carefully detailing his results in the exact same setup vs. previous non-defoliated runs? Those were as close to evidence as anyone will be able to give you ON YOUR COMPUTER. But really, if the technique interests you so much (which it obviously does), why not get some healthy plants going, pull your balls outta your pocket and try it out, like all these other liars have done. Then, if you find it helps you, you can try to 'prove' it to others, if you're so inclined.

RE: side by side comparison......bushes and trees don't grow well "side by side". That's common sense and has been pointed out many times.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i missed delta9nxs post with his results, you would think it would be in the PDF. but no matter i shall go look it up. i would watch that name calling before JJScorpio deletes your posts or something. oh wait you're not me. carry on.

that doesn't make any sense. in any sense of the term "bush" and "tree" im looking out my window and i see clearly a bush growing next to a tree. side by side. i assume you meant to get into some sort of semantics argument about what "side by side" means? i have seen pictures of people growing bushy plants next to tall skinny plants. what makes you think it wouldn't work? also side by side comparison doesn't not literally mean growing them side by side, but you already knew that and you are just trying to get a rise out of me.

hardly a surprise.

 

[Infinitesimal]

your incessant trolling is the reason JJ was going to close the thread, but didn't. because we were able to get the thread back on track.

so whats new stihgnobevoli?

and BTW I am a contributor to the PDF under an old handle, so I'm pretty sure i have an ok understanding of the cost/benefit to the technique

 

[stihgnobevoli]

oh yeah asking for 2 pictures of identical plants grown side by side one defoliated and one not is totally trolling dude.

anyway like i told that other dude who sent me a pm to continue talking shit. im done with this thread. have fun with your superiority complexes.

 

[magiccannabus]

How many growers really have a bunch of room for side-by-side experiments. We all want to see them, but that's asking a lot. Obviously this technique does something. I think it's also true the the original poster over-hyped this technique, but I have used it and I am sure it has it's place. It's no replacement for other training techniques. I still use LST, FIM, and serpentine super cropping to manage my girls.

 

[kal el]

I did my own experiments years ago.
I found my yields went up in small SOG grows when I plucked off all the large fans in flower.
Averaged 3 extra grams from plants I was getting about 7 grams from before I started using this technique.
My SOG grows were many plants crammed into small areas, so leaves blocked light.

 

[kal el]

As far as large plants go, I supercrop and lollipop trim. Works awesome!

 

[St3ve]

oh yeah asking for 2 pictures of identical plants grown side by side one defoliated and one not is totally trolling dude.

anyway like i told that other dude who sent me a pm to continue talking shit. im done with this thread. have fun with your superiority complexes.

You're missing the point man.. You're asking ppl to purposefully forego yield to prove a point to you. "Hey, could at least one of you just do me a favor and throw some of your yield in the trash? It would help me out a lot thanks". Yep, that's how you sound.

 

[St3ve]

Its funny how this entire.. HUGE McLarge thread keeps cycling through the same discussions over and again. I honestly think it should remain a sticky, but be closed. There is about as much info, good and bad, in the body of this thread as is possible.

 

[badboy287]

just grow the plant and enjoy the harvest people, who cares how you get there.