Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[Bassy59]

Just so you understand a little more clearly. One of my plants in my grow, is 24' wide, x 26" wide another direction, and was 26" tall until a few mins ago when I bent three OFFSHOOTS that were above the main canopy in two days, and I leveled it out to 23" tall.

This grow is on day 14 of 12/12.

Had I left it alone (not bending it in stretch) it would probably be 30" tall by now and 18-19" wide at most. With a week or more stretch to go, it would easily reach 40" or more and I would never get lower penetration of light. No shot whatsoever.

And it's the defoliation in veg (and 1 topping) that made all these side branches come out so tight together, thus allowing me to bend and force them to become tops as we deleaf and bend in veg so they reach for the light.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

the thread clearly says defoliation for high yield. why would that only be available for plants that are a certain size?

you need to slap yourself homie since you clearly do not know what you are talking about and obviously grasp even less about the plants you are growing. im growing with a 100w MH and a 70w HPS both of which, according to a nice chart someone made a long time ago, over 15 years actually that shows how light falls off over distance with various bulbs based on their rated lumens, can penetrate at least 1 foot as long as the light is no more than 6 inches from the plant. i have also calculated my lumens/watts per square inch and find that i am getting 94 watts per square foot and 102 lumens per square inch (recommended for weed is 50w/sqft i read on another forum 2500lumens per square foot or 18per square inch.) so im actually overkill for the light in this space. my cab is 11 inches deep and 24 inches wide and 18 inches high, the lights are mounted on the ceiling, the inside of the whole cab is mylar except the floor which is white. even in this space the lights penetrate from the ceiling to the floor, certainly from the back wall to the front (11") and the canopy is 2 foot wide and with 2 lights i thinks it is safe to say it is fairly well covered.

this method needs no fixed spaces to work, these are the guys own words mind you im reading the pdf. he states his grow for example, but i see no hard and fast rules anywhere so far and im about 75% through the document as of this break to write this love letter to you. basically all i see is his theory that increasing surface exposure to light will increase yield, even if it means stripping all the leaves off a plant.

my lights penetrate the entirety of my cab and i have plants with leaves. i see no reason why i can't do this experiment, besides YOUR claim that i can't.

i see you made reference to my GDL grow and plants with spindly stems. lemme guess you read 0 words in the thread and instead looked at pictures and decided i was doing something wrong, much like grassot keeps trying to tell me a naturally mutant girl is in bad shape?

 

[Infinitesimal]

shes under 170w of hps and mh which are no more than 1 foot away at all times since my box is only 1.8sqft. currently im trying to keep the plants less than 4 inches from the bulb because even though there is a fan blowing directly over the bulbs to keep it cool, there is still radiant heat hot enough to hurt the back of my hand after 30 seconds less than 4 inches from the bulb.

i know you're trying to help but i assure you it is perfectly healthy. you guys have been growing for years right? how do you not know that leaves never recover from damage? even if it was something i was doing wrong why would you look at the old fan leaves and not the bud leaves and new growth which is all obviously perfectly healthy?

if you can't handle the radiation from your bulb it will be a problem for your plants, I'm not trying to preach anything to you its just pretty well known in indoor growing that your plants need the same type of creature comforts as you do cool moderately dry environment. its pretty basic knowledge that if its uncomfortable for you, its the same with them, on hot sunny summer days when you would get sunburned from being in direct sunlight all day they will suffer as well. i know your in a cab but if you can't get more space and cooling for the bulb you may think about using a different light source.

please don't take this the wrong way, I only try to help when i see issues

peace,
Infi

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i understand what you're saying which is why i made sure to be clear that the plants are fine and outside of the range of too hot. which in the marijuana plant growing world has always been measured by holding the back of your hand at canopy level for a whole minute and see if it is too hot for you to tolerate. at 4+ inches which is also on that chart which i will post since i guess not many people see it. its some old shit that still floats around after OG went down.

save it to your hard drive, pass it around, it is an invaluable guide. this chart is old, and MH technology has improved, or rather been updated to a new standard. add 10-22% to the lumen numbers on the MH side of the chart. probe start was not as efficient as the pulse start technology now widely available.

using this, my hand, and a thermometer at canopy level i keep my plants from being too hot, and i have plenty of air exchange cool air comes in from the floor goes up, makes the plants dance, cools the lights, goes into the upper chamber, cools my ballasts, and is finally sucked out the top of the cab.

 

[grassott's dad]

...much like grassot keeps trying to tell me a naturally mutant girl is in bad shape?

But that's the thing. The plant you posted does not look like a naturally mutant girl. It looks like a plant in bad shape though. I find it hard to believe that you have adequate air circulation/exchange and/or adequate lighting.

I've seen new growers with just 150w lights producing much healthier looking bagseed plants.

Look. If you're against defoliation and you're happy with your plants then fine. I just think it's not good for you to come in the thread looking for an argument.

Whoever gave you all them green dots had a good sense of humor lol

 

[Infinitesimal]

I understand... but also thats just a guideline, created by an individual. so one can't say "I have "X" wattage light of this type so i can put it this close to the plants" as the proximity, angle, type of light, and the heat produced; are all variables that effect bud density, yield, trichome, resin, cannabinoid and terpenoid production which is what we are really after

yeah holding your hand at canopy level is a good way to determine your plants comfort, but you should be able to withstand it for much longer than 1 minute they are under those conditions between 18 and 12 hours a day. so by saying that "there is still radiant heat hot enough to hurt the back of my hand after 30 seconds less than 4 inches from the bulb" you are proving what I'm trying to tell you. if your hand hurts after just 30 seconds (This Is Way TO Hott!) at canopy level your plants are suffering for sure, no question, or rebuttal.

right now my plants are at least three feet if not more away from my 1k MH and they are still showing issues from being to close as they grew.

peace,
Infi

 

[Bassy59]

>>>>>>>>>insult deleted, as per tou. play nice!<<<<<<<<<<< I never said you were doing anything wrong in your grow. You are doing what you can with what you have to work with.

If you do as suggested in this thread NOT ONE FUCKING PLANT will fit in your grow space! It will be too BIG! How do you not get that?

Furthermore, you state your cab is 18 INCHES high. If you give only 3" from your light your plant needs to be 15" tall from the MEDIUM, MAX! Now maybe you are growing in a tiny pot for medium. Lets say it's only 4" deep for roots (not a lot is it?).

Now you are down to an 11" tall plant! YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ANYTHING TO TRAIN!

I'm sorry you don't have the ability to use this technique. But maybe sometime in the future you can make a space to grow that has the ability to actually produce more than 1.5 oz. When you do have such space, if you diligently learn how to grow, then apply the methods used here, you too will find "high yields".

Take a look at pics of my current grow, taken 10 mins ago.

Pic #1 is the bottom of 1 plant. Do you think your space can contain girls with that kind of branching? This girls was prepped in veg with 2 major strippings.

Pic #2 shows height at 14 days into 12/12. She is stretching 2-3" PER DAY and will continue to do so for another 8-10 days. OBVIOUSLY, she is already bigger than your cabinet. And my height measurement is from the top of the 5 gal bucket lid!

Pic #3 is showing how WIDE this same girl is from right to left. AGAIN, LARGER than your cab!

Pic #4 is showing how wide she is front to back. AGAIN, LARGER than your cab!

Pic #5 is all 4 plants in a 4' x 4' tent, at only 15 DAYS into 12/12!!

And you want to grow two plants, one defoliated one not in a 11"x24"x18"h cabinet?

Where in the fuck does any of that make sense? Do the math! THEY WONT FIT IN YOUR CAB! YOU CAN'T DO IT!

And after NOT being able to pull it off you'll want to claim how bad of a technique it is.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

lol grassot, people like you show me how much weed growing has changed. back in the old day you learned to read plants, these days you go to a website and copy someone else's nutrient regiment and run it for ALL your plants.

i will accept that you don't know some things so i will break a little down for you. plants take in waster and nutrients in the form of raw minerals like calcium, nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorous, iron, etc. this water comes into the plant through the roots where it is spread through the plants from cell to cell in a process called osmosis, which produces an effect called capillary action. similar to sucking water up with a straw. when these nutrients reach certain parts of the plant chemical reactions occur and with the aid of sunlight, or in the case of indoor growing, light of the correct spectrum, the leaves produce a substance called chlorophyll. it is a sugar and the plants main energy source. a plant is basically a "plant" it takes in raw materials on one end and puts out a usable product on the other end using the raw materials and energy gathered from the sun.

ok with that part explained lets go to the next part. homeostasis. homeostasis is basically a state of equilibrium, all living beings main function is to maintain it. when growing plants several things that throw it out of balance like too much of any one type of element, or not enough of another. the pH (a measure of the alkalinity, or acidity of a substance) being too high or too low can directly lead to the elements being available since they oxidize ("break down on an atomic scale", for simplicity) at different pH levels. if the ph is out of balance absorption of the raw elements the plants need to produce buds is thrown out of line and there aren't enough parts to make a complete bud. so to speak. if we worked in a chair factory and we ran out of the seat parts, we can't make good chairs can we?

ok, finally i will touch on scale which a lot of people never seem to take into account when discussing weed. marijuana is like any other plant, they all work like i described above, you can grow them in any location as long as you give them everything they require as laid out above. but as you go down in scale as in the natural universe things speed up. your car moving one real mile per hour in the real world on the regular human sized real world scale would be moving 1000mph if you scaled it down to 1/1000 of regular size.

the same thing happens in the plant world. the smaller your container the faster these ph changes and imbalances can occur. for the most part these days i grow in less than 1 quart of soil, and as little as 1 and a half - 2 cups 12-16 oz. of soil in a cup. i sometimes have to water everyday.

more on pH. when you add water to a substance it takes on the released "molecules" from whatever is around it except in certain cases for scientific reasons which are outside of the scope of this love letter. if you add water to a soil and it equalizes to say 7.0 which is neutral and about the same ph as your body (fun fact.) now the pH is directly affected by the level of broken down molecules contained in it, the more of a certain substance the higher it's EC (electrical conductivity) which is a general measure of how much of a substance is water and how much is other. these individual substances when able to be measured with sophisticated techniques are labeled in parts per million (ppm) or how many (cant remember the exact units) "amounts" of a substance are available in an "amount" of water. you can buy a meter to measure this yourself to an extent, you can find out roughly how much of your water contains minerals. thats about it, but you can use it to measure change over time and gauge if your plant is taking up food. but i digress.

the amount of minerals in the water directly effect the pH, as the plants use more of the water and leave behind any minerals not absorbed with the water the amount of minerals measured in ppm goes up as the mount of water decreases which causes the pH to go one way or the other outside of neutral. depending on what minerals were left behind. in large containers there is a lot more room for the minerals to spread out and not cause an issue as the water is used up by the plants. in smaller containers this change occurs rapidly as the amount of water is much less and as a result is absorbs on a much faster rate. because of the scale as i've stated earlier.

finally i think. i will touch up on tissue. no not kleenex, i mean like the muscles and flesh that make up your body, plants are no different. like yourself the cells in a plant are constantly multiplying and dying and being regenerated and reused and re-purposed and bunch of other re-words. (re-tarded?) like you and me plants can be hurt and suffer damage, bruises and burns and broken limbs. fortunately for plants they can just grow another one or more of "them", unfortunately for humans we cannot regrow broken and lost limbs. and like humans scars are permanent.

just because a man is covered in scars does not mean he is unhealthy does it?

plants are the same way, one damaged through being broken, bruised and lost, they never recover. they simply grown another one. the leaves on my plants suffer a lot of abuses. sometimes they grow into a light while im away or overnight before the lights come back on to cook said leaves. sometimes the ph goes out of balance really fast since you know 16oz of doesn't hold a terribly large amount of water. leaves take on too much salt and shrivel, nutrients oxidize and run out of the pores, they get close to fans and are mangled, etc. they never recover though, they just make new ones. the old ones are drained of their remaining stored nutrients and are discarded. it is a natural thing for plants. and humans. no one stays young forever and everyone gets old shrivels up and dies.

i thought you guys were all experienced growers? im shocked and appalled at having to explain such playskool, sesame street, my first marijuana plant basics to people with so many posts who obviously have some sort of experience with growing weed,at least, if not other plants besides weed.

if you knew all that i guess you would be able to look at the rest of the plants and see that it is perfectly fine, but for some reason you are focusing on the scars. why? we are growing weed aren't we? or are you guys growing for the leaves?

obviously...or obviously not since you like to take them all off the plant every couple of weeks. is this a perpetual harvest of perfectly green leaves you are after?

 

[TommyTwoColas]

Bassy59, I'd have to disagree that his cab height prevents him from using defol - a nice 8 plant SOG would do great in 5.5" square pots and would be 11" single colas, top to bottom. He might need to upgrade his ventilation a smidge, but only he knows that for a fact.

That being said, the pictures he's posted are very unhealthy plants (whereas one certainly is a mutant with taco'd leaves, the rest are just straight poorly grown plants) that are not right for defoliating.

Anyhow, not sure why people get so worked up over this shit (although it does give me a chuckle to read it) - you do it (I do), God bless you. You don't do it, don't do it. You don't like people who talk about doing it? Change the channel.

For a group that claims to be as open-minded as stoners are, we sure are a judgmental and dogmatic bunch, aren't we?

Happy growing to one and all, whether your plants are shaved or au natural.

 

[Bassy59]

Tommy, the application of defoliation as it pertains to this thread is for big ass yield indoors with 32" wide 24" tall plants. This type of grow k33f explains about is not for little 11" single cola sogs. I have no experience with sog nor care to. But from what I have seen, as well as your description above, you are talking apples & oranges in the context of what this 200+ page thread is all about.

His cab 100% prevents him from applying this technique. As it's described in this thread. And THAT METHOD is what he EXPOUNDS doesnt work and is even bad for plants.

Edit: as for the health of his girls, as previously mentioned by others, they don't look that healthy. They sure as hell don't look as healthy as mine. Mine that were also PREPPED IN VEG with major defoliation just like it's described by the op.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Dipshit I never said you were doing anything wrong in your grow. You are doing what you can with what you have to work with.

If you do as suggested in this thread NOT ONE FUCKING PLANT will fit in your grow space! It will be too BIG! How do you not get that?

Furthermore, you state your cab is 18 INCHES high. If you give only 3" from your light your plant needs to be 15" tall from the MEDIUM, MAX! Now maybe you are growing in a tiny pot for medium. Lets say it's only 4" deep for roots (not a lot is it?).

Now you are down to an 11" tall plant! YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ANYTHING TO TRAIN!

I'm sorry you don't have the ability to use this technique. But maybe sometime in the future you can make a space to grow that has the ability to actually produce more than 1.5 oz. When you do have such space, if you diligently learn how to grow, then apply the methods used here, you too will find "high yields".

Take a look at pics of my current grow, taken 10 mins ago.

Pic #1 is the bottom of 1 plant. Do you think your space can contain girls with that kind of branching? This girls was prepped in veg with 2 major strippings.

Pic #2 shows height at 14 days into 12/12. She is stretching 2-3" PER DAY and will continue to do so for another 8-10 days. OBVIOUSLY, she is already bigger than your cabinet. And my height measurement is from the top of the 5 gal bucket lid!

Pic #3 is showing how WIDE this same girl is from right to left. AGAIN, LARGER than your cab!

Pic #4 is showing how wide she is front to back. AGAIN, LARGER than your cab!

Pic #5 is all 4 plants in a 4' x 4' tent, at only 15 DAYS into 12/12!!

And you want to grow two plants, one defoliated one not in a 11"x24"x18"h cabinet?

Where in the fuck does any of that make sense? Do the math! THEY WONT FIT IN YOUR CAB! YOU CAN'T DO IT!

And after NOT being able to pull it off you'll want to claim how bad of a technique it is.

i'll ignore your name calling and i won't take it personally as i have been there before. but i will be reporting this post to an admin as we do not take kindly to personal insults on this forum.

that being said i have finished reading the whole PDf the one linked in the FIRST POST of this thread and listed as

"for those wishing to cut through to the gist of this technique."

and i have the gist of it, which is exposing the bud sites to maximum light by removing all shade. i dunno why you keep going on about me not having enough space, are you one of those people who rides the short yellow bus to school? do you wear a helmet? because even in the PDF i just referenced, there are links to single posts in this thread to "highlight this technique" (paraphrase) and there are many other people not just those in the pdf who are not using ANYWHERE near the amount of space per plant you are obviously quoting out of your derriere. you have 4 plants each with a 2 foot radius in which to grow, most of the people i saw in this thread barely have 1 plant per square foot. barely. if i have almost 2 square feet of space and 2 plants that would be 1 square foot per plant. i don't think you understand how square footage works either, but thats just mho based on what you are saying with your words. coincidentally if my cab was 6 inches deeper i would go from 1.8sqft to 3sqft.

i think maybe the real issue here is YOU don't understand defoliation for high yield, or maybe the OP, someone here doesn't understand and it isn't me. i get it completely. because prior to this thread they just called that pruning and training plants. it requires only as much space as your plants will spread out. your words sound so idiotic, i refrain from using such words i would hate for you to think i was saying you yourself are idiotic. if i grow a plant that can only reach 1 foot tall and one foot wide (which LOL is about the size of bob hopes plant that is linked in the PDF) why the fuck would i need 32"x32" inches to grow it in? which if im not mistaken is what you previously told me i would need, before you told me i simply could not defoliate my plants and this wouldn't work for me.

do you see why i am having such a hard time understanding what you are trying to say? if i only need 1 square foot to grow a plant fully untopped and bushy, why should i sequester out almost 3 times that amount of space? to waste electricity? im sorry i don't like to waste anything.

i think maybe you should reread this thread, or maybe read that PDF linked in the OP, it sums up this whole thread concisely. maybe read both so you can find the part where you confused what one person used for an example with a standardized guideline that must be followed.

maybe when you finish you will see that there are no hard and fast rules for this.

amusingly enough this is the video i was watching before coming back to you telling me i couldn't defoliate my plants because i simply do not have enough space. (obviously not as much as in some peoples heads)

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you should go tell him he doesn't have enough space, and i heard him say icmag too so you can tell him in a PM also, surely he doesn't have 3 feet around each of those plants, especially when he puts those other 2 plants back in his cab.

 

[Hammerhead]

Please let's play nice no name calling

 

[Infinitesimal]

that video has no defoliation going on, this guys grow blows and would never be considered high yielding. anyone can put plants in dirt and harvest buds, but who cares.

look you can ignore every piece of info given to you and continue to do things your way.

I've always been taught if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all, and I've never before said anything negative about anyones plants, fore i would normally just keep my mouth shut if i wasn't complimenting someone's stuff.

But take a close objective look at all the pics i see of your plants and your posts around IC and compare those to others' who receive many praises for their plants, if you do that and are honest enough with yourself you shouldn't be able to deny the fact that you just don't know what you are doing, your plant's flowers look nothing like the great growers here or even something most anyone here would consider to be good.

I don't know you and you seemed cool enough at first, but you have completely gotten this thread so off track and revolving around you, your plants, and your overwhelming knowledge of plants. when in fact you don't understand defoliation and there are numerous inaccuracies in your oh so wise posts on the subject, and gardening in general.

so thank you, you have ruined this thread for me and likely others as we may no longer aid those looking to try this technique honestly... so if that was your intention....great job!

peace

 

[stihgnobevoli]

wtf man i don't give a fuck about praises i give a fuck about growing weed easily and cheaply. i don't need to listen to peoples pointing out things on my plants, i am with them everyday and i know how to read them after years with an S of growing weed on a small micro scale the hard way. it's up to you to take my word for it or not. i know my leaves are clawed on some of my plants, that's called nitrogen overdose, happened way early in flower. the leaves never uncurl i believe i explained that earlier in a previous post which i didn't think would be needed since you all claim to have years of experience also.

you should know that and stop pointing it out to me as if i didn't know about it 6 weeks ago when it happened. it never uncurls fucking get over it. i also know some of the leaves show other deficiencies too this is to be expected when you have a wet/dry cycle of as little as 24 hours sometimes. again those leaves never stop looking shitty, fucking get over that too. old leaves are not important in the grand scheme of things unless those are the ONLY leaves on the plant. i could easily snip them off like most people do when you never see them in their pictures. but i leave them on the plant because when they are falling off i know that there is a nitrogen deficiency coming on. if i clipped them off the deficiency would show in newer generation leaves and since we're trying to grow buds and buds need energy and leaves supply this energy, we don't want our second line of defense to be the first line now do we?

you want me to look at my plants and objectively view them in light of your suggestions? well then i will.

the plant i posted in here which has all of you convinced is suffering is coming on with a phosphorous deficiency and a magnesium deficiency is coming on. this is surprising and cuaght me off guard since this is only week 3 and i thought i had at least 2-3 more weeks for the bone meal to kick in. but since this plant does more branching than any plant i have ever grown including the g13 which i though branched ridiculous for what it outputs. so i will have to add some more flower nutes, but since i stopped using the chemicals once i ran out of GH bloom and now im doing organic this run. i cannot add some gh bloom and call it a day, i added bne meal a couple of weeks ago but since it is not chemicals it takes time to break down and in the meanwhile i will be watering with some ewc tea i have been bubbling for about 24 hours. those are the only issues the plant has, and you would know that too if you knew anything about reading plants and not just how to follow directions someone else wrote for you. shit i bet if something went wrong in your grow you would shit your pants because it's not covered in your grow recipe for success they gave you at the store when you bought your marijuana grow kit. it's easily identified by the purpling on the petioles and the dark green nature of the new growth. the magnesium is identified by looking at those old leaves that have been drooping like that since the beginning, notice how some of them are a pale green yellow color and developing spots? thats what you should be looking for, not the fact that the leaves hang down when everything else is normal.

i did not make this thread about me, YOU ALL did, i simply asked for advice on whether or not i should defoliate the bushiest branchiest motherfucking plant i have ever had a headache in flower over, and all you cuss words in your attempts of forcing you limited views on me decided you would fix problems i keep telling i don't fucking have, and now this has gone from a simple question on whether or not i should pluck all the leaves off my plant for "HI-Yield?" to me having to do my own goddamn side by side because no one wants to publish facts and figures for a technique they want everyone to go try, but rather insist that i just don't understand unless i already understand.

but anyway back to the defoliation thread for hi-yield?, and not you guys trying to nitpick me to death because i don't grow in the same cookie cutter grow tent/ 600w hortilux setup like you copied from some guy on the internet.

 

[Infinitesimal]

I'm not talking about nutrient deficiencies or toxicities, your temps are a MAJOR problem but it's ok many less than average growers don't know the proper temperature controls or specifications.

btw i grow how i've learned to grow over the years of studying, and much less trial and error than it seems you are going through to figure it out

you completely missed my point... and is probably your biggest problem. I'm not talking about praises I'm talking about your bud shots you throw up in threads, there are people here tying to help you and one by one you shut down their valid opinions meanwhile, your buds are not quality (like others here on IC who get praises, u follow me?). And your plants are not healthy.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i don't throw up my budshots for praise, maybe you need people stroking your e-penis but i don't. i post in those threads because they are clearly labeled for posting budshots. i don't know who the fuck appointed you guys the budshot police but im not voting for that motherfucker next term.

everyone has issues in their grows that are out of their control, even the best growers on any website or collective you can point out. i document my mistakes so i and others can learn from them. i wouldn't have you believe you can ever have a 100% automatic growing environment that will never have issues. shits completely unpossible unless you dial in one strain and only ever run one strain that is dialed in. you think grows just dial themselves in the first time around? you seem to think so.

im not a high times magazine im more like hoodtapes.com no edits here. only real shit.

what you seem to see as me shutting down opinions is just me telling you you are wrong. some people hate to hear that, i guess you are one of those people. just simply click my name click find all posts and individually go through them from the beginning till now. i have been down many roads and learned lessons on each one. you telling me something i already ruled out is not me shutting you down, its me telling you "been there done that you are wrong its not that".

 

[Infinitesimal]

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wow! O.k. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

i don't throw up my budshots for praise, maybe you need people stroking your e-penis but i don't. i post in those threads because they are clearly labeled for posting budshots. i don't know who the fuck appointed you guys the budshot police but im not voting for that motherfucker next term.

everyone has issues in their grows that are out of their control, even the best growers on any website or collective you can point out. i document my mistakes so i and others can learn from them. i wouldn't have you believe you can ever have a 100% automatic growing environment that will never have issues. shits completely unpossible unless you dial in one strain and only ever run one strain that is dialed in. you think grows just dial themselves in the first time around? you seem to think so.

im not a high times magazine im more like hoodtapes.com no edits here. only real shit.

what you seem to see as me shutting down opinions is just me telling you you are wrong. some people hate to hear that, i guess you are one of those people. just simply click my name click find all posts and individually go through them from the beginning till now. i have been down many roads and learned lessons on each one. you telling me something i already ruled out is not me shutting you down, its me telling you "been there done that you are wrong its not that".

you completely missed my point... and is probably your biggest problem.

so you ignore my points, misconstrue the rest of my post, while asserting yourself as the one to tell us we're wrong, again all while your stuff stinks!

you obviously did not (or maybe cannot, in which case i completely understand) follow me on my previous post
so Im done here, this is STUUUUPID and I hope you have fun with YOUR thread

 

[stihgnobevoli]

maybe you should have taken some of that time to bold your point since i guess i missed it somewhere in there when you were telling me that your point was you think you can tell me more about my plants through the internet than i can with my own hands on interaction.

but anyway i think you have shitted up this thread enough. send me a pm if you would like to discuss this further. lets get back to the topic at hand which is "DEFOLIATION: HI-YIELD Technique?" not, "hey i think you are overwatering because i don't like the way your leaves look" which i find to be downright goddamn hilarious in a thread about REMOVING ALL THE FUCKING LEAVES ON YOUR GODDAMN PLANT.

successful troll is successful. you made me actually raise my pulse by about 10bpm on that last one. lemme go smoke some more of my shitty weed and calm down.

 

[JJScorpio]

If this mess doesn't calm down there's no need to leave it open.....

 

[Infinitesimal]

thanks JJ I've been contributing to this thread nearly since it was started under this and another handle, I just helped an honest person trying this tech not that long ago, and would hate to see it removed or closed for silly reasons.

peace,
Infi