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Me too but I'm drinking bourbon in my coffee.
And heading into work.
Me too but I'm drinking bourbon in my coffee.
And heading into work.
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Deep State: Exposed
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That just sounds like totalitarianism to me.
Yes and in a way that equates all totalitarianism with communism. Yes, china is a totalitarian state. I'm just saying the part that makes the totalitarianism communist is kind of hard to see these days. The party says it is communist, but that they are using capitalist policies. I'm no expert on china, but to me it looks like a mostly capitalist society. I'd argue the scandinavian countries are more socialist, but I'm afraid chinese agents would snuff me for saying that.
- It might help if you broke the word down first to 'Commune' - and did some research there -
Core principles of communes.
The central characteristics of communes, or core principles that define communes, have been expressed in various forms over the years - Before 1840 such communities were known as "communist and socialist settlements" - by 1860, they were also called "communitarian" and by around 1920 the term "intentional community" had been added to the vernacular of some theorists. The term "communitarian" was invented by the Suffolk-born radical John Goodwyn Barmby, subsequently a Unitarian minister.
At the start of the 1970s, The New Communes author Ron E. Roberts classified communes as a subclass of a larger category of Utopias.
- He listed three main characteristics. Communes of this period tended to develop their own characteristics of theory though, so while many strived for variously expressed forms of egalitarianism, Roberts' list should never be read as typical. Roberts' three listed items were: first, egalitarianism – that communes specifically rejected hierarchy or graduations of social status as being necessary to social order. Second, human scale – that members of some communes saw the scale of society as it was then organized as being too industrialized (or factory sized) and therefore unsympathetic to human dimensions. And third, that communes were consciously anti-bureaucratic.
Twenty five years later, Dr. Bill Metcalf, in his edited book Shared Visions, Shared Lives defined communes as having the following core principles: the importance of the group as opposed to the nuclear family unit, a "common purse", a collective household, group decision making in general and intimate affairs.
- Sharing everyday life and facilities, a commune is an idealized form of family, being a new sort of "primary group" (generally with fewer than 20 people although again there are outstanding examples of much larger communes or communes that experienced episodes with much larger populations). Commune members have emotional bonds to the whole group rather than to any sub-group, and the commune is experienced with emotions which go beyond just social collectivity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commune
I know ur super smart and highly educated..lf could u educate me on where in history we have had a communist society that’s hasn’t led within a short amount of years to a totalitarian society?
Or is the thought that this time we will do it better and the tyrants like mao, Stalin, pol pot etc won’t seize power?
What did Einstein say about insanity? Something about tryin the same thing over and over And expecting different results (iirc)
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You know what Einstein thought about socialism and communism?
mowood, i would posit that we have never had a communist society, and never will. or if we do, it will be some distant future, post scarcity... some technological advent (fusion? some perfect food production?) will likely lead in that direction, but it will take no less than everyone on earth, xo operating n harmony... not some hermit dictatorship.
authoritarianism/ totalitarianism is literally the polar opposite.
authoritarianism/ totalitarianism is literally the polar opposite.
Albert Einstein Writes the 1949 Essay “Why Socialism?” and Attempts to Find a Solution to the “Grave Evils of Capitalism”
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
“Albert Einstein, who had been exiled from Germany for his guilty devotion to mathematics, world peace, and the violin, was now exiled from America for the same crimes.”
? Sinclair Lewis, It Can't Happen Here
One of the neater things I can recall by Einstein was a poem he wrote on
a photograph at the home of Sinclair Lewis.
Anyone here familiar with it, and know how one might find it ?
'Boogieman'
Well-known member
Doesn't answer why everyone who gave communism a chance ended up in a dictatorship. My personal opinion is because it gives the government too much power.
The question they will never answer.
cause they put in a dictatorship and not communism?
If some are concerned about dictatorship, then why are they supporting Trump's erosion of checks and balances and Constitutional limits on the authority of the office which he tenuously holds...??
you joke about something enough, when are we supposed to question if it's a "joke" anymore?
2018:
"He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great. And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday." talking about pooh bear
also 2018:
"Should we go back to 16 years? Should we do that? Congressman, can we do that?"
then when ppl showed concern about it:
"You know the last time I jokingly said that the papers start saying, 'He's got despotic tendencies,'" said Trump. "No, I'm not looking to do it. Unless you want to do it, that's OK."
2019:
"This will find a permanent place, at least for six years, in the Oval Office. Is that okay? ... I was going to joke, 'General, and say at least for 10 or 14 years, but we would cause bedlam if I said that, so we'll say six.'"
loves duterte, has said so since before he was president, iirc.
remember when he let erdogan sicc his thugs on people protesting right in the mall in our own nation's capital? trump loves that fascist shit. lafayette park, anyone?
loves using military pageantry, parades in his honor
do we even need to get into how people deemed "illegals" are treated in border prisons right out of dystopian horror fiction? kids traumatized beyond belief? families torn to shreds?
mark my words, if he stays any longer... he's coming for your guns boogie
2018:
"He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great. And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday." talking about pooh bear
also 2018:
"Should we go back to 16 years? Should we do that? Congressman, can we do that?"
then when ppl showed concern about it:
"You know the last time I jokingly said that the papers start saying, 'He's got despotic tendencies,'" said Trump. "No, I'm not looking to do it. Unless you want to do it, that's OK."
2019:
"This will find a permanent place, at least for six years, in the Oval Office. Is that okay? ... I was going to joke, 'General, and say at least for 10 or 14 years, but we would cause bedlam if I said that, so we'll say six.'"
loves duterte, has said so since before he was president, iirc.
remember when he let erdogan sicc his thugs on people protesting right in the mall in our own nation's capital? trump loves that fascist shit. lafayette park, anyone?
loves using military pageantry, parades in his honor
do we even need to get into how people deemed "illegals" are treated in border prisons right out of dystopian horror fiction? kids traumatized beyond belief? families torn to shreds?
mark my words, if he stays any longer... he's coming for your guns boogie
It is in German and it speaks to the relationship
between human nature and political power and
morality.
Klompen
Active member
Lets not forget that both Trotsky and Lenin were sent to Russia by Russia's enemies. If you look at how communism evolved in Russia you would know that rather than simply just concentrating too much power in one place, Russian government in general was so dysfunctional that a series of revolutions lead to a government that was arguably only Marxist in theme. It really was a very traditional power grab on the part of the Bolsheviks. The Menshaviks and the Liberals were foolish to trust the Bolsheviks with a lot of weapons and then fell prey to their militant scheming. We're talking about a country where most people went overnight from being property of the Czar to being set free with no effective plan to move forward. There is so much more than communism at play in the Russian revolutions.
China's situation was also a similar power grab by Mao. He simply maneuvered politically and murdered his friends and rivals alike. It was just another dictatorship that was pitched as egalitarianism.
Most of the other supposedly "communist" nations out there were influenced by those major two.
Its a poor grasp of history though to believe that dictatorship as an outcome is somehow special to Marxism. Most systems in history have fallen prey to dictatorship.
