Dark Mission: NASA's dirty little secret.

[Nubie Biatch]

Saw the title of the thread and instantly knew which crew would be in here stinking up this place.

Next thread these people start will probably have something to do with Bigfoot or why we should exterminate the Jews.

Good pic Genkisan! I think that sums it all up.

 

[nycdfan042]

big foot is a zionist rebel in the mountains!! go find him guys!!

 

[Guest]

Saw the title of the thread and instantly knew which crew would be in here stinking up this place.

It smelled fine till you showed up.

Oh, and I was wrong, they collected over 400 kilos of rocks, but now we need to CRASH a probe to see if there is water there? Why did we even bother to go there if we didn't test the rocks to see what their compositions are, if we didn't test for water, and we didn't test for radiation? WTH???

 

[Linenoise]

For ALL the people who have missed the point of this thread, once again...

The topic is about a book, which had quotes from a former NASA/JPL scientist which were controversial. He claims NASA has been hiding and obscuring the evidence that during "a moon landing", not saying we never landed on the moon, just when did we land on the moon is the real question, but during this landing there was enough photographic evidence that other civilizations have existed (with structures on the moon)... WHO BUILT THEM? WHY HAS NASA BEEN KEEPING THIS SECRET? THIS IS THE REAL ISSUE...

Many of you are misrepresenting my argument, STRAW MAN!

Beez

Obviously all the nutjobs that are saying we never went are just part of a vast conspiracy to cover up the alien ruins we found on the moon. If they can distract us by unsubstantiated "fact" about never going to the moon, we forget to discuss the truth. Not only did we goto the moon but we met ET.

 

[Linenoise]

Why is it that in the 60's we could make it to the moon in less than a decade, yet now, NASA can't get back on the moon till 2020? What are they stupid? What about the monkey that died just a week before the launch when they sent him into space for 9 days? Today's calculators have more computing power than all the appollo missions, yet we can't make it back up there for another 13 years?

Phenomenal, nothing else to say about your telescope lie?

Earth based telescopes should be able to see the Apollo hardware on the Moon, yet none is visible.

The theoretical resolving power of a telescope, measured in arc seconds, is calculated by dividing the aperture of the telescope (in inches) into 4.56. The largest telescope on Earth is the 10-meter Keck telescope in Hawaii. The theoretical resolving power of this telescope is 0.012", however the Earth's atmosphere limits the resolving power of any ground-based telescope to about 0.5"-1.0". The Hubble Space Telescope does not suffer from this limitation; thus, with an aperture of 94 inches, HST's resolving power is 0.05". At the Earth-Moon distance of 239,000 miles, the smallest object that can be resolved by HST is about 300 feet. The largest dimension of any hardware left behind on the Moon is 31 feet, which is the diagonal distance across the LM's footpads. No telescope, presently in existence, can see the Apollo hardware from Earth.


The only sure way to prove the moon landings really happened is to return to the Moon and see if the Apollo hardware is there.

Direct visual verification would certainly put an end to the issue, however there are at least three pieces of hardware on the Moon that are not in dispute. Apollos 11, 14 and 15 erected laser reflectors on the lunar surface. Laser beams are routinely fired at these reflectors through telescopes at McDonald Observatory in Texas and near Grasse in southern France. Timings of these reflected beams are used to measure the Earth-Moon distance to an accuracy of one inch. To explain the existence of these reflectors the hoax advocates have no choice but to claim they were placed on the Moon by robotic landers; a huge undertaking for which there is no supporting evidence. The simple answer: the Apollo astronauts placed them there.


The Apollo guidance computer had the equivalent computing power of today's kitchen appliances, far less than that required to go to the Moon.

Unlike general-purpose computers, the Apollo guidance computer had to perform only one task - guidance. Most of the number crunching was performed at Mission Control on several mainframe computers. The results were then transmitted to the onboard computer, which acted upon them. The Apollo guidance computer was capable of computing only a small number of navigation problems itself. Since the guidance computer had to run only one program, that program could be put in ROM, thus only a small amount of RAM was required to hold the temporary results of guidance calculations.

The hoax advocates tend to overrate the tasks performed by the onboard guidance computers of the 1960's. In fact, the Mercury spacecraft, 1961-63, flew into space without any onboard computer whatsoever, yet the trajectories were precisely controlled and the capsule was capable of fully automated control.

The computer technology did not exist in the 1960's to build the Apollo guidance computer.

Computer companies of the 1960's had to produce general-purpose computers at a cost that would attract consumers. NASA, on the other hand, required a computer capable of performing only a single task - guidance - and could easily afford a custom designed and built system using cutting edge components and techniques. Although modern microprocessors did not yet exist, microchips performing simple tasks were available in the early 1960's, and these could be built-up into computer processors. By the mid-1960's several companies were producing commercially available integrated circuits.

The hoax advocates often become trapped into a single way of thinking. Just because one technology is used to solve a particular problem today does not mean that problem was unsolvable before the technology was available. Man is much more creative than the hoax advocates are willing to acknowledge.

If NASA was able to land men on the Moon with such great success, why are there no plans to return and why haven't the Russians sent anyone?

Despite the apparent ease with which NASA landed six crews on the lunar surface between 1969 and 1972, traveling to the Moon was difficult, dangerous and very expensive. The advanced planning and preparation of the spacecraft and astronauts resulted in spectacularly successful missions that succeeded despite the inherent difficulties and dangers. The United States landed men on the Moon while the Soviet Union failed in its attempt to do the same. Once the U.S. succeeded, the Soviets' reason for going to the Moon was eliminated. To fly to the moon today would be nearly as difficult and likely more expensive than it was three decades ago. Until there is sufficient motivation to do so, it is unlikely man will return to the moon any time in the near future.


Any more questions?

 

[Babombeez]

C'mon guys, please keep it civil... Please refrain from the ad hominem attacks, getting personal is pretty stupid!

Can we keep this on topic? In case you forgot what the "topic" was, perhaps you should go to page one and see the article I posted.

And for those who are attacking my source of the article-- that is fine! But don't let it let you from making a clear judgement, the JPL scientist still said those quotes and admitted to saying them. He declared free speech, and this is all the controversy around the comments. NASA is freaked out! Can't we all agree on something, and refrain from getting into endless circular arguments about whether or not we really landed on the moon? No one has bothered to discuss the microbes in the martian soil samples... If it is really true and NASA has been concealing the lunar ruins from humankind, then this means that the Earth and moon have a much different history than we all learned in school. Give it some thought.

Beez

 

[Pops]

Stoned2Death, all water believed to be on the moon is in the polar areas. Since the moon has no atmosphere, any water on the side of the moon facing the sun would evaporate and disappear into space,along with the brains of many who have posted here.

I fear for the future of this country when most of you seem to have been educated by todays lousy American school system, supplemented by Youtube videos made by crackpots.

So far,Beez, I don't think you have started a single intelligible thread on any subject that can be proven. Are you here to learn and talk about cannabis or collect nutcases for your semi-religious cult?

P.S. My mistake. I checked and 7 out of 12 threads you started are about pot. That means that you are only half nuts. Mea Culpa.

 

[Babombeez]

Stoned2Death, all water believed to be on the moon is in the polar areas. Since the moon has no atmosphere, any water on the side of the moon facing the sun would evaporate and disappear into space,along with the brains of many who have posted here.

I fear for the future of this country when most of you seem to have been educated by todays lousy American school system, supplemented by Youtube videos made by crackpots.

So far,Beez, I don't think you have started a single intelligible thread on any subject that can be proven. Are you here to learn and talk about cannabis or collect nutcases for your semi-religious cult?

This is the Toker's Den, just so you know-- & Pops, are you always armed with personal attacks?

And when did YouTube come into play here? Pretty irrelevant to the subject at hand. This was from an international source, not some whacky video on the internet. Know the difference.

Beez

 

[Nubie Biatch]

Pops only points out the obvious. The toker's den has been piling up with political, conspiracy, and otherwise useless threads. This site is for growers. I learned most of what I know from the people on this site.

I respect your call for civility Babombee but you can't have civil conversations with people who don't have any respect for anyone but themselves.

As far as ad hominem attacks....S2D is the one that post should be addressing. Unfortunately some people have a little more length in their leash than others around here. Still waiting to see guest or banned underneath S2D's name....

 

[trouble]

Bezz, are you really that naive? If NASA or the Government new these photos were authentic they never would have made into some crack-pot's published book who's out to make a quick buck off of people like you.

Ken Johnston would be dead or have lawsuits upto his neck, the book would never see the light of day, it would be like a Dinosaur stuck in a tar-pit. After all, if the photos were real he would have had to steal them and would be facing criminal charges as well. According to you the government has already killed 3,000 of it's own citizens in 9/11, whats one more X-NASA crack-pot employee in the name of National Security?

How gullible are you?


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[ampersand]

about the telescope stuff... i read a article about some new tech in development that would let us see down to 30 feet range so in 10 years ill bump this thread with some pics...

 

[Guest]

Pops only points out the obvious. The toker's den has been piling up with political, conspiracy, and otherwise useless threads. This site is for growers. I learned most of what I know from the people on this site.

I respect your call for civility Babombee but you can't have civil conversations with people who don't have any respect for anyone but themselves.

As far as ad hominem attacks....S2D is the one that post should be addressing. Unfortunately some people have a little more length in their leash than others around here. Still waiting to see guest or banned underneath S2D's name....

YOU are the one that attacks people. I post facts, you post insults. I've been here since the site started, you've been here for NO time and DO NOT post about GROWING OR SMOKING. I'd LOVE to see BANNED under your name. Wtf? Why do the mods let trolls like this in here?

I AM debating this topic. If we didn't land on the moon, the idea the we "saw" anything there is null and void.

As for NASA's suitcase sized props on the moon, they could have much easier parachuted those to the surface like the mars rover rather than send men up there to do it. The fact that they are there does NOT prove we went to the moon.

Babombeez...I'm not trying to ridicule you at all. You're far more open minded than these guys that attack anyone with alternative thinking repeatedly. I'm saying, take a look at the evidence we didn't go to the moon, AND what you're talking about. Then draw a logical conclusion of your OWN.

Good luck with the thread, but I guarantee these guys are going to run it into the ground.

 

[Pops]

S2D, perhaps you can explain to me how someone could use a parachute to drop anything to the surface of the moon when there is no atmosphere for a parachute to use???????

 

[genkisan]

YOU are the one that attacks people. I post facts, you post insults.

That has got to be the funniest thing I have read here on ICmag in months.


Facts according to the Weekly World News, Stormfront.org and the like, mebbe..........

 

[Pops]

Beez, the source was Pravda, the official organ of the Russian government and the leader of the Russian people is an ex-KGB dude. Can you say PROPAGANDA?

 

[newbgrow]

S2D, apparently the word "ignorant" to you means disagreeing with any conspiracy theory found on any tabloid magazine or website, no matter how (dis)reputable the source may be. I'm not going to even call you names, because as far as I see it is pointless to "debate" with someone who is lying to himself.

Let's face it dude. You have no evidence, on anything. Unless you want to count that drivel written by third-rate science fiction authors as "evidence". You only have to question anything you don't understand as a massive conspiracy against you to drive the question "why" into the ground.

Like I said in another thread. I'm sorry I'm "ignorant" (sarcasm...). I'm going to go read a Harry Potter book now so I can become "less" ignorant in current world events.

 

[Guest]

Pops...whatever...they could have CRASHED em like they're doing their new experiment. Same deal. Those retroreflectors are not proof MAN was there.

Genkisan...waste of breath.

newbgrow....You are seriously no better than all these guys^^^. So, I have NO evidence on anything, but you won't argue a point either. NASA gave us all the proof we need. I seriously doubt you are ignorant to any of this. I think you purposely don't want to find out most of what you've been taught is a lie. That's painful for some.

The truth is, some have made the decision to believe wtf ever they're told without researching it. Then there are some of us who aren't so quick to believe something as the gospel. Hell, look at science. They screw up all the time and have to revise what they THOUGHT they knew. WHY is it you and all these people have such a hard time acting in the same fashion? Does it HAVE to stay "truth" because it's all you've known?

Proof we did NOT go to the moon...Too many photos, too perfect for clumsy cameras attached to space suits with no viewfinder and no automatic shutter or aperture. Not to mention the hundreds of anomolies.

http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html

Got no proof? No, I've got a bunch of people that want to shut me up at all costs. I've got a bunch of jerks that follow me around and insult me while I make points and post links that back up what I say.

I've got a bunch of guys who want to keep any topic I post on derailed as long as they can.

LEAVE the topic if you have nothing to say about it. LEAVE. LEAVE. GET IT? Just LEAVE. Debate the topic or GO AWAY.

WHAT other reason are you here if not to talk about anything but me? Seriously? What? Why?

You don't want to talk about it, LEAVE us to talk on our own, thank you. Mods really should start clicking the ban button. Ban me while you're at it mods......

 

[Pops]

Might want to lay off the sativas. You sound a little paranoid. Maybe the British press is right about pot causing mental illness.

 

[genkisan]

Pops...whatever...they could have CRASHED em like they're doing their new experiment. Same deal. Those retroreflectors are not proof MAN was there.

Genkisan...waste of breath.

newbgrow....You are seriously no better than all these guys^^^. So, I have NO evidence on anything, but you won't argue a point either. NASA gave us all the proof we need. I seriously doubt you are ignorant to any of this. I think you purposely don't want to find out most of what you've been taught is a lie. That's painful for some.

The truth is, some have made the decision to believe wtf ever they're told without researching it. Then there are some of us who aren't so quick to believe something as the gospel. Hell, look at science. They screw up all the time and have to revise what they THOUGHT they knew. WHY is it you and all these people have such a hard time acting in the same fashion? Does it HAVE to stay "truth" because it's all you've known?

Proof we did NOT go to the moon...Too many photos, too perfect for clumsy cameras attached to space suits with no viewfinder and no automatic shutter or aperture. Not to mention the hundreds of anomolies.

http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html

Got no proof? No, I've got a bunch of people that want to shut me up at all costs. I've got a bunch of jerks that follow me around and insult me while I make points and post links that back up what I say.

I've got a bunch of guys who want to keep any topic I post on derailed as long as they can.

LEAVE the topic if you have nothing to say about it. LEAVE. LEAVE. GET IT? Just LEAVE. Debate the topic or GO AWAY.

WHAT other reason are you here if not to talk about anything but me? Seriously? What? Why?

You don't want to talk about it, LEAVE us to talk on our own, thank you. Mods really should start clicking the ban button. Ban me while you're at it mods......

Translated into actual meaning:



Wahhhhhhh!!! No one wants to take my rantings seriously, and give me the attention I need so badly...."


S2D, if asked you'll probably spit out all sorts of "proof" that the Holocaust never happened, and that is was all a Zionist hoax, and Hitler was their tool.

Please understand....95% of the folks here recognize you for what you are....loopier than a bag of yarn.....and post what they do in response to your chunder because they see it for what it is.....paranoid delusional mumblings, backed up by "proof" that is in the whole about as credible as OJ Simpson and Jim Bakker.

You can call it "character assasination" if you like, and it makes you feel better about yourself...but I call it pointing out the reality behind yer chunderous postings..

 

[Nubie Biatch]

newbgrow....You are seriously no better than all these guys^^^. So, I have NO evidence on anything, but you won't argue a point either

Kinda sums it all up. Throw some insults out there, post some offensive stories that can't be substantiated with facts, and then point the finger at everyone else and call them wrong.

S2D is the one who can't argue a point. Ranting, name calling, and otherwise polluting these boards doesn't qualify as "Arguing".

I smoke grass...not PCP. You should do the same.