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Crossing a IBL with a Landrace?
- Thread starter Closet Funk
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TAG-monk
Member
I have decided to not include IBL from reeferman because there are a lot and iam lazy.
- C99 F5 (wally duck...but reeferman have a f4 i think)
- DUCKSFOOT
- Bubblegum
- S.A.G.E (Well ok, not really an IBL but inbred enough to breed with)
- NYCD (like the SAGE, inbred enough to breed with)
- Kali Mist/Western Winds ( But i dont know the stage of the serious seed kali mist right now....maybe its not a breeder but the WW is)
- AFGHANI#1
- Durban Poison
- Early girl
- Early Pearl
- Skunk#1 (Duh)
- Mantanuska tundra (sagarmatha)
- Sour Diesel IBL
- Black Widow (the original white widow...MNS)
- DeepChunk
- Sunshine IBL (OG bub finest...)
- Original Haze (only from T.F.D!)
- Power Plant (or close to be)
- Oasis (NL#2, dutch passion)
- California Orange
- Blueberry
- Flo
- Grape krush
- Flodica
- F13
- True Blueberry ( not really an IBL but the related parent should give stability in breeding me thinks..)
- BOGbubble & Bugglegum (right?)
- Malawi gold
- Swazi red
- Nigerian
- Shit (MNS skunk/afghan)
- Spice
This is all my stoned brain can think of right now. I could put on MNS Neville's Haze but this will stir shit and i dont want to fight.
- C99 F5 (wally duck...but reeferman have a f4 i think)
- DUCKSFOOT
- Bubblegum
- S.A.G.E (Well ok, not really an IBL but inbred enough to breed with)
- NYCD (like the SAGE, inbred enough to breed with)
- Kali Mist/Western Winds ( But i dont know the stage of the serious seed kali mist right now....maybe its not a breeder but the WW is)
- AFGHANI#1
- Durban Poison
- Early girl
- Early Pearl
- Skunk#1 (Duh)
- Mantanuska tundra (sagarmatha)
- Sour Diesel IBL
- Black Widow (the original white widow...MNS)
- DeepChunk
- Sunshine IBL (OG bub finest...)
- Original Haze (only from T.F.D!)
- Power Plant (or close to be)
- Oasis (NL#2, dutch passion)
- California Orange
- Blueberry
- Flo
- Grape krush
- Flodica
- F13
- True Blueberry ( not really an IBL but the related parent should give stability in breeding me thinks..)
- BOGbubble & Bugglegum (right?)
- Malawi gold
- Swazi red
- Nigerian
- Shit (MNS skunk/afghan)
- Spice
This is all my stoned brain can think of right now. I could put on MNS Neville's Haze but this will stir shit and i dont want to fight.
TAG-monk
Member
Afropips - thanks! yeah that clear thing up...anyway malawi looks killer no matter the pedigree
When you INBRED a HYBRID, you loose the HETEROSIS effect. The HETEROSIS effect (also called HYBRID VIGOUR) happen when you cross 2 genetically different genepool together. But its only apparent in the F1 generation. The F2 is already not the same thing anymore.
When you INBRED a HYBRID, you loose the HETEROSIS effect. The HETEROSIS effect (also called HYBRID VIGOUR) happen when you cross 2 genetically different genepool together. But its only apparent in the F1 generation. The F2 is already not the same thing anymore.
TAG-monk said:
Wow! I didn't realize thier was that many. Thanks. This gives me a nice idea what to choose from later on.
cool thread - I'm in the process of breeding two plants which I believe are either IBLs or landrace IBLs, they are;
Burmese Pure - from reeferman, this is the male in the cross, I'm considering this a landrace IBL
Oregon 90 - this is a mostly (afghani) indica strain that has been inbred for 20+ years by a group of growers in the Euguene, OR area. From what I understand those growers have a different name for it, but when it came into possession of the breeder he was asked to change the name before he released it to the world. The plant displays some of the inbred depression traits discussed earlier like thick stems and very hard to clone, however it does grow fairly vigorously and it yields fairly well of sticky dense buds. Cola's aren't huge but the buds are dense, like a baby's arm as opposed to a football are softball bat
So a few questions;
Will the result be a true F1 as I am combining to geographically and genetically different inbred lines?
The oregon90 has a tendency to pop out a few male flowers around day 35. The result is a very few mature seeds at harvest time (5 per oz) but the rest of the bud stays sensi and is damn good. Will this cross diminish the likelyhood of hermies in the next generation?
What do you think of this cross, does it sound good?
I'm expecting that the results will follow the 75/25 rule of mendels cube, that is 75% of the phenos will be of the dominant traits and 25% will display recessive traits. Is this a valid assumption?
Burmese Pure - from reeferman, this is the male in the cross, I'm considering this a landrace IBL
Oregon 90 - this is a mostly (afghani) indica strain that has been inbred for 20+ years by a group of growers in the Euguene, OR area. From what I understand those growers have a different name for it, but when it came into possession of the breeder he was asked to change the name before he released it to the world. The plant displays some of the inbred depression traits discussed earlier like thick stems and very hard to clone, however it does grow fairly vigorously and it yields fairly well of sticky dense buds. Cola's aren't huge but the buds are dense, like a baby's arm as opposed to a football are softball bat
So a few questions;
Will the result be a true F1 as I am combining to geographically and genetically different inbred lines?
The oregon90 has a tendency to pop out a few male flowers around day 35. The result is a very few mature seeds at harvest time (5 per oz) but the rest of the bud stays sensi and is damn good. Will this cross diminish the likelyhood of hermies in the next generation?
What do you think of this cross, does it sound good?
I'm expecting that the results will follow the 75/25 rule of mendels cube, that is 75% of the phenos will be of the dominant traits and 25% will display recessive traits. Is this a valid assumption?
I'd say go for it, you got nothing to lose and alot to gain. Breeding with stable IBL's and Landraces is a good idea imo. I think it would be alot less stressful then say trying to breed with regular strains. I'm not the professional breeder and don't really know alot. This is why I made this thread, to get some info on this subject.
closet funk,
I was hoping I could get some of the experienced folks who already weighed in to answer my questions too. sorry for highjacking your thread it was just you had the same kinda questions as me.
-suga
edit: maybe a few pics of mom and dad will help draw in the crowd....
burmese (dad)
oregon90 (mom)
edit II: sorry - I just wanted to add that I grew the burmese from seed before and the pics you see are the buds from that. Now I have a burmese male from seed to use in this cross.
I was hoping I could get some of the experienced folks who already weighed in to answer my questions too. sorry for highjacking your thread it was just you had the same kinda questions as me.
-suga
edit: maybe a few pics of mom and dad will help draw in the crowd....
burmese (dad)
oregon90 (mom)
edit II: sorry - I just wanted to add that I grew the burmese from seed before and the pics you see are the buds from that. Now I have a burmese male from seed to use in this cross.
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I'm sure someone will come across again and hopefully help you out. I'm not worried about you asking questions in my thread. This is what I made it for. By the way nice looking plants.
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sugabear_II said:
ummmm...that is picture of the year material my friend!
yukon said:
thanks for the kind words...
here's another of my favorites - too bad I had to shrink it to upload it
ndnguy
Active member
IBLs & LandracesCloset Funk said:
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I would like to start a list of known IBLs. This info is to be used so future seedmakers/breeders will know what is what. This list will change with the induction of new IBLs.
IBLs
Skunk #1
California Orange
Afghani #1
Hindu Kush
South African Durban Posion (Durban)
Early girl
Northern Lights
Big Bud
Blueberry
Mighty Mite
Thai
Swazi
Shiva Skunk
Original Haze
White Widow
Black Widow
Super Skunk
Malawi Gold
Bubblegum
Deep Chunk
Landraces
Afghani (Lowland, Highland - Afghan kush)
Arab
Chinese
Iranian
Lebanese
Moroccan (Kif)
North Indian
Pakistani
Tajikistani
Turkish
Uzbekistani
African (Durban Poison, Swazi, Congolese, Malawi Gold, Angolese, Lesothan, Nigerian)
Brazillian (Manga Rosa, Santa Maria)
Burmese
Cambodian
Colombian (Colombian Red, Santa Marta Colombian Gold)
Indian
Jamaican
Japan (Fijian)
Laotian
Mexican (Acapulco gold, Oaxacan, Zacatecas Purple, Guerrero Gold, Michoacan)
Nepalese
Panama (Panama Red)
Paraguayan
Swaziland (Swazi Red)
Thai (Lemon Thai, Juicy Fruit Thai, Chocolate Thai)
Vietnamese
__________________Got this from Indica Jones
Nice list man.
The lists with with the supposed IBL'sis what i was talking about, its bullshit, example:
Northern Lights #5
NL #5 is not an IBL, its not even a strain, its a single plant, the original is only available in cloneform. IBL? I don't think so...
No worries afropips, terminologie does change, and people do understand different things for the same term
Northern Lights #5
NL #5 is not an IBL, its not even a strain, its a single plant, the original is only available in cloneform. IBL? I don't think so...
No worries afropips, terminologie does change, and people do understand different things for the same term
chizzleonetime
Active member
closet funk there is no such thing as a land race from barbados all weed there is imported there are no mountains there it is very small and the police dont fuck about there (my basian cousin told me this while i was visiting) so i would be concerned bout what they are they prolly beans off weed bought there, but st vincents on the other hand im very interested in it was my favourite weed while i was there shame i was sixteen last time i went (4 yrs ago) and my mother found my seeds on last day
mace_ecam said:
according to Reeferman his Northern Lights #5 is an IBL. Check for yourself on his website www.reefermanseeds.com
Chizzle I think you may be right. The guy I got them from said that it's a strain they grow on the island, but the island itself isn't a major cannabis producing like the others. So the cannabis grown there is probally imported from the other islands. They probally still are landraces but from somewhere else in the caribbean. The Jamaican and St.Vincent are straight from the islands so they are landraces.
One could say now that RM is lying... not me
i've withnessed the disuccions on CW regarding the label "NL#5", after a few pages RM stated that its called "Reefermans NL #5", not "NL#5"... because the latter would be a rip off one could say now "why didn't RM call this seeds what they are, NL#5 X some other NL"? If you think about, you'll now the answer.After all, a clone named "xy" cannot not be the same as a seed called "xy", its impossible.
Draw your own conclusions, its a seedy business... and believe only half of what you read, especially if there is money involved.
mace
Reign of Terror
Active member
he says from nevilles stock though...
Daytripper
Member
Reign of Terror said:
Certianly Neville will confirm RM's statement, right?
i reads this whole thread and I considered quoting reply's and posting corrections. I won't though, so as not to step on toes. Canna politics and economics take precedent.
Instead of getting angry at the misinformation I veiwed this thread as a comedians veiw of cannabis breeders.
There is some correct info put forth, but based on the 6 pages of this thread cannabis breeders could not screw in a light bulb, collectively.
All your advise is like a virgin telling how to get 2 women into bed for a threesome.
I've deciced the time is right to exploit the market.
Where are your experts? Bring RM or OG BUB, LOL
Reign of Terror
Active member
there was no need for that useless rhetoric, esp the tone you used it in...
you couldve simply said, a lot of the things you guys are saying is ridiculous, wheres Og bub?
but i guess being a dickhead is just you, right?
you couldve simply said, a lot of the things you guys are saying is ridiculous, wheres Og bub?
but i guess being a dickhead is just you, right?
