Have to wonder just what your background with China is.
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Have to wonder just what your background with China is.
My background?
Active duty USMC. FMF Pacific.
And all the whoop ass todays jarheads bring to the fight as my 'background.' And they can count on me to have their back, as well. Until Im kicked in the clay.
I may be too old on paper, but, I'd lace up in seconds if my brothers needed me. Fully functional load out at the ready. Admittedly, in slightly better shape than I.....even 20 years later. You can betcher ass Id be out there with the rest of the america-loving citizens of this country if they were dumb enough to try and come here to fight. It'd be laughable. But, we'd have to worry about our city dwellers that would do all they could to help them out.
I ain't the type to gripe and moan behind the protection of freedom that some one else has fought for. I do, and have done, my part.
Your background?
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Gimme a sec to hit that link. My dinner's ready. But thanks for taking the time to post it.
no time to catch up now, but wanted to share this, very detailed and technical testimony on the thread topic.
GOP Medical Witnesses: COVID-19 'Exactly What You'd Expect If You'd Gone Through Gain-Of-Function'
GOP Medical Witnesses: COVID-19 'Exactly What You'd Expect If You'd Gone Through Gain-Of-Function'
Wuhan's Bat Lady Found 'All Genes' Required To Genetically Engineer SARS-Like Coronavirus: 2017 Report
by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Jun 19, 2021 - 10:11 AM
Yet another piece of the pandemic puzzle has fallen into place - after being hidden in plain sight until it was wiped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology's (WIV) website.
Unearthed by The National Pulse's Natalie Winters, a Nov. 2017 report titled (no really): "Bats in China carry all the ingredients to make a new SARS virus," describes how researchers at the WIV had identified 'all the genes to make a SARS coronavirus similar to the epidemic strain,' among 11 new strains of viruses collected in horseshoe bats.
Zhengli "bat lady" Shi
“After five years of surveying bats in a cave in southern China’s Yunnan Province, Zhengli Shi and colleagues discovered 11 new strains of SARS-related viruses in horseshoe bats (especially in Rhinolophus sinicus). Within the strains, the researchers found all the genes to make a SARS coronavirus similar to the epidemic strain, says Shi, a virologist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences.
These new strains are more similar to the human version of SARS than were previously identified bat viruses, says Matthew Frieman, a virologist at the University of Maryland in Baltimore. -PLOS Pathogens
More via The National Pulse:
Archived screenshot, Wuhan Institute of VirologyAlso in 2017, a subagency of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) - headed by Dr. Anthony Fauci - resumed funding a controversial grant to genetically modify bat coronaviruses in Wuhan, China without the approval of a government oversight body, according to the Daily Caller. This comes after a temporary suspension of federal funding in 2014 for gain-of-function research by which bat COVID was genetically manipulated to be more transmissible to humans. Four months prior to that decision, the NIH effectively shifted this research to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) via a grant to nonprofit group EcoHealth Alliance, headed by Peter Daszak.
Notably, the WIV "had openly participated in gain-of-function research in partnership with U.S. universities and institutions" for years under the leadership of Dr. Shi 'Batwoman' Zhengli, according to the Washington Post's Josh Rogin.
In 2017, however, the "Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) Framework was formed within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)," which was tasked with evaluating the risks involved with enhancing dangerous pathogens, as well as whether proper safeguards are in place, before a grant into 'gain-of-function' or similarly risky research can be issued.
Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) - the subagency which funded EcoHealth - didn't think the grant needed review, and resumed their relationship with Daszak without flagging it for the P3CO committee, an NIH spokesperson told the Caller.
EcoHealth Alliance president Peter Daszak toasts with WIV's 'Batwoman' Shi ZhengliOr - and just hear us out, a random bat infected a yet-to-be determined intermediary animal species, which nobody has been able to identify after 18 months of searching, which then infected humans in Wuhan - coincidentally home to the bat coronavirus lab, before anywhere else in the world.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...tically-engineer-sars-coronavirus-2017-report
by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Jun 19, 2021 - 10:11 AM
Yet another piece of the pandemic puzzle has fallen into place - after being hidden in plain sight until it was wiped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology's (WIV) website.
Unearthed by The National Pulse's Natalie Winters, a Nov. 2017 report titled (no really): "Bats in China carry all the ingredients to make a new SARS virus," describes how researchers at the WIV had identified 'all the genes to make a SARS coronavirus similar to the epidemic strain,' among 11 new strains of viruses collected in horseshoe bats.
Zhengli "bat lady" Shi
“After five years of surveying bats in a cave in southern China’s Yunnan Province, Zhengli Shi and colleagues discovered 11 new strains of SARS-related viruses in horseshoe bats (especially in Rhinolophus sinicus). Within the strains, the researchers found all the genes to make a SARS coronavirus similar to the epidemic strain, says Shi, a virologist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences.
These new strains are more similar to the human version of SARS than were previously identified bat viruses, says Matthew Frieman, a virologist at the University of Maryland in Baltimore. -PLOS Pathogens
More via The National Pulse:
The article, which was recently wiped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s website, also notes that Shi and her colleagues found that “several of the strains” could grow in human cells.
“By analyzing the new viruses’ complete genetic makeup, Shi and her colleagues retraced the steps that might have given rise to the original SARS virus. A few spots in the viruses’ DNA seem particularly prone to rearrangement, so remixing happens often. The study suggests that recombination between viruses has shaped the evolution of SARS, says Baric.
Several of the strains could already grow in human cells, Shi’s team found. That indicates “there’s a chance that the viruses that exist in these bats could jump to people,” Frieman says. “Whether they will or not is anybody’s guess.”
“By analyzing the new viruses’ complete genetic makeup, Shi and her colleagues retraced the steps that might have given rise to the original SARS virus. A few spots in the viruses’ DNA seem particularly prone to rearrangement, so remixing happens often. The study suggests that recombination between viruses has shaped the evolution of SARS, says Baric.
Several of the strains could already grow in human cells, Shi’s team found. That indicates “there’s a chance that the viruses that exist in these bats could jump to people,” Frieman says. “Whether they will or not is anybody’s guess.”
Archived screenshot, Wuhan Institute of VirologyAlso in 2017, a subagency of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) - headed by Dr. Anthony Fauci - resumed funding a controversial grant to genetically modify bat coronaviruses in Wuhan, China without the approval of a government oversight body, according to the Daily Caller. This comes after a temporary suspension of federal funding in 2014 for gain-of-function research by which bat COVID was genetically manipulated to be more transmissible to humans. Four months prior to that decision, the NIH effectively shifted this research to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) via a grant to nonprofit group EcoHealth Alliance, headed by Peter Daszak.
Notably, the WIV "had openly participated in gain-of-function research in partnership with U.S. universities and institutions" for years under the leadership of Dr. Shi 'Batwoman' Zhengli, according to the Washington Post's Josh Rogin.
In 2017, however, the "Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) Framework was formed within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)," which was tasked with evaluating the risks involved with enhancing dangerous pathogens, as well as whether proper safeguards are in place, before a grant into 'gain-of-function' or similarly risky research can be issued.
Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) - the subagency which funded EcoHealth - didn't think the grant needed review, and resumed their relationship with Daszak without flagging it for the P3CO committee, an NIH spokesperson told the Caller.
EcoHealth Alliance president Peter Daszak toasts with WIV's 'Batwoman' Shi ZhengliOr - and just hear us out, a random bat infected a yet-to-be determined intermediary animal species, which nobody has been able to identify after 18 months of searching, which then infected humans in Wuhan - coincidentally home to the bat coronavirus lab, before anywhere else in the world.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...tically-engineer-sars-coronavirus-2017-report
You have zero chance of any meaningful discussion with anyone on the left that frequents this place,other Than Gry. They all continuously repeat the same Democrat party talking points. Watch they will be claiming the GOP was the defund the police party.
Ultimately, you are wasting your time. You may as way turn on CNN, and discuss with the screen.
Since you asked, you people=IMADUMBASS FOR GIVING MY LOYALTY TO TRUMP OR ANY POLITICIAN... The evidence is their champ.. You people refuse to see it. Oh and stop confusing the dems with the left. They are not the left. They are Centrist republicans. Those of us that have leftest political views are not dems lol. As I've said 4x why even ask a question anymore. You people won't believe it so why ask... BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE CRAP!!.. Ill never give my loyalty to a politician. There all crooks some worse than others like Trump is.
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Wuhan's Bat Lady Found 'All Genes' Required To Genetically Engineer SARS-Like Coronavirus: 2017 Report
by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Jun 19, 2021 - 10:11 AM
Yet another piece of the pandemic puzzle has fallen into place - after being hidden in plain sight until it was wiped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology's (WIV) website.
Unearthed by The National Pulse's Natalie Winters, a Nov. 2017 report titled (no really): "Bats in China carry all the ingredients to make a new SARS virus," describes how researchers at the WIV had identified 'all the genes to make a SARS coronavirus similar to the epidemic strain,' among 11 new strains of viruses collected in horseshoe bats.
Zhengli "bat lady" Shi
“After five years of surveying bats in a cave in southern China’s Yunnan Province, Zhengli Shi and colleagues discovered 11 new strains of SARS-related viruses in horseshoe bats (especially in Rhinolophus sinicus). Within the strains, the researchers found all the genes to make a SARS coronavirus similar to the epidemic strain, says Shi, a virologist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences.
These new strains are more similar to the human version of SARS than were previously identified bat viruses, says Matthew Frieman, a virologist at the University of Maryland in Baltimore. -PLOS Pathogens
More via The National Pulse:
The article, which was recently wiped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s website, also notes that Shi and her colleagues found that “several of the strains” could grow in human cells.
“By analyzing the new viruses’ complete genetic makeup, Shi and her colleagues retraced the steps that might have given rise to the original SARS virus. A few spots in the viruses’ DNA seem particularly prone to rearrangement, so remixing happens often. The study suggests that recombination between viruses has shaped the evolution of SARS, says Baric.
Several of the strains could already grow in human cells, Shi’s team found. That indicates “there’s a chance that the viruses that exist in these bats could jump to people,” Frieman says. “Whether they will or not is anybody’s guess.”
Archived screenshot, Wuhan Institute of VirologyAlso in 2017, a subagency of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) - headed by Dr. Anthony Fauci - resumed funding a controversial grant to genetically modify bat coronaviruses in Wuhan, China without the approval of a government oversight body, according to the Daily Caller. This comes after a temporary suspension of federal funding in 2014 for gain-of-function research by which bat COVID was genetically manipulated to be more transmissible to humans. Four months prior to that decision, the NIH effectively shifted this research to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) via a grant to nonprofit group EcoHealth Alliance, headed by Peter Daszak.
Notably, the WIV "had openly participated in gain-of-function research in partnership with U.S. universities and institutions" for years under the leadership of Dr. Shi 'Batwoman' Zhengli, according to the Washington Post's Josh Rogin.
In 2017, however, the "Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) Framework was formed within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)," which was tasked with evaluating the risks involved with enhancing dangerous pathogens, as well as whether proper safeguards are in place, before a grant into 'gain-of-function' or similarly risky research can be issued.
Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) - the subagency which funded EcoHealth - didn't think the grant needed review, and resumed their relationship with Daszak without flagging it for the P3CO committee, an NIH spokesperson told the Caller.
EcoHealth Alliance president Peter Daszak toasts with WIV's 'Batwoman' Shi ZhengliOr - and just hear us out, a random bat infected a yet-to-be determined intermediary animal species, which nobody has been able to identify after 18 months of searching, which then infected humans in Wuhan - coincidentally home to the bat coronavirus lab, before anywhere else in the world.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...tically-engineer-sars-coronavirus-2017-report
Trich, just curious why you included a pic of John Stewart in there?
it was included in the article...i didn't know who he was, i don't watch the tele...
. 2021 Jun 17;384(24):2273-2282.
doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa2104983. Epub 2021 Apr 21.
Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons
Tom T Shimabukuro[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Shin Y Kim[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Tanya R Myers[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Pedro L Moro[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Titilope Oduyebo[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Lakshmi Panagiotakopoulos[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Paige L Marquez[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Christine K Olson[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Ruiling Liu[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Karen T Chang[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Sascha R Ellington[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Veronica K Burkel[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Ashley N Smoots[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Caitlin J Green[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Charles Licata[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Bicheng C Zhang[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Meghna Alimchandani[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Adamma Mba-Jonas[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Stacey W Martin[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Julianne M Gee[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Dana M Meaney-Delman[SUP] 1 [/SUP], CDC v-safe COVID-19 Pregnancy Registry Team
Collaborators, Affiliations
Abstract
Background: Many pregnant persons in the United States are receiving messenger RNA (mRNA) coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) vaccines, but data are limited on their safety in pregnancy.
Methods: From December 14, 2020, to February 28, 2021, we used data from the "v-safe after vaccination health checker" surveillance system, the v-safe pregnancy registry, and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to characterize the initial safety of mRNA Covid-19 vaccines in pregnant persons.
Results: A total of 35,691 v-safe participants 16 to 54 years of age identified as pregnant. Injection-site pain was reported more frequently among pregnant persons than among nonpregnant women, whereas headache, myalgia, chills, and fever were reported less frequently. Among 3958 participants enrolled in the v-safe pregnancy registry, 827 had a completed pregnancy, of which 115 (13.9%) resulted in a pregnancy loss and 712 (86.1%) resulted in a live birth (mostly among participants with vaccination in the third trimester). Adverse neonatal outcomes included preterm birth (in 9.4%) and small size for gestational age (in 3.2%); no neonatal deaths were reported. Although not directly comparable, calculated proportions of adverse pregnancy and neonatal outcomes in persons vaccinated against Covid-19 who had a completed pregnancy were similar to incidences reported in studies involving pregnant women that were conducted before the Covid-19 pandemic. Among 221 pregnancy-related adverse events reported to the VAERS, the most frequently reported event was spontaneous abortion (46 cases).
Conclusions: Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. However, more longitudinal follow-up, including follow-up of large numbers of women vaccinated earlier in pregnancy, is necessary to inform maternal, pregnancy, and infant outcomes.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33882218/
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New Study Links "Acute Chest Pain" In Male Soldiers To mRNA Vaccines
by Tyler Durden
Friday, Jul 02, 2021 - 05:11 AM
More research has been published highlighting more problematic side effects linked to COVID-19 shots. Last week, we published our latest update on rare cases of heart inflammation that have been linked to the mRNA COVID jabs, including the jabs from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. After a hurried secret meeting with its advisory board on vaccine safety, the FDA reluctantly release a warning asking patients experiencing these symptoms to seek help immediately.
The latest study, published in JAMA's Cardiology Journal on Tuesday, showed that 23 male soldiers (including 22 who were deemed "previously health") between the ages of 20 and 51 presented "acute onset of marked chest pain" within four days of receiving their second dose. Patients who sought care for chest pain in the military health-care system following COVID-19 vaccination and were subsequently diagnosed with clinical myocarditis were included in the case study.
All the members who tested for myocarditis (for those who aren't familiar with it, myocarditis is a condition that causes the swelling of the heart muscle and can cause difficulty breathing, heart failure, and death) were all "physically fit by military standards and lacking any known history of cardiac disease, significant cardiac risk factors, or exposure to cardiotoxic agents."
All of the patients whose data was included in the study underwent electrocardiography and echocardiography tests. Abnormal electrocardiography findings were recorded in 19 patients (83%): findings included ST-segment elevations, T-wave inversions, and nonspecific ST changes. Echocardiography in 4 patients (17%) demonstrated reduced left ventricular ejection fractions (40% to 50%).
The cardiac symptoms faded within a week of onset for 16 patients, while 7 others continued to have chest discomfort at the time of this report; follow-up is ongoing.
As one table from the study showed, the number of cases of heart inflammation reported in the military is much higher than the rate that one might expect given population-wide incidence of these symptoms. This suggests some new variable is likely causing the surge in cases.
The study's authors concluded that while the overall risk for patients who received an mRNA vaccine remains extremely small, the US isn't alone in discovering these cases. Israel, which also relied on mostly on mRNA vaccines to inoculate its population, is also seeing surprisingly high incidence of heart inflammation that's likely linked to the vaccines.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...-inflammation-likely-tied-pfizer-moderna-jabs
. 2021 Jun 17;384(24):2273-2282.
doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa2104983. Epub 2021 Apr 21.
Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons
Tom T Shimabukuro[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Shin Y Kim[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Tanya R Myers[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Pedro L Moro[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Titilope Oduyebo[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Lakshmi Panagiotakopoulos[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Paige L Marquez[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Christine K Olson[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Ruiling Liu[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Karen T Chang[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Sascha R Ellington[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Veronica K Burkel[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Ashley N Smoots[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Caitlin J Green[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Charles Licata[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Bicheng C Zhang[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Meghna Alimchandani[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Adamma Mba-Jonas[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Stacey W Martin[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Julianne M Gee[SUP] 1 [/SUP], Dana M Meaney-Delman[SUP] 1 [/SUP], CDC v-safe COVID-19 Pregnancy Registry Team
Collaborators, Affiliations
- PMID: 33882218
- PMCID: PMC8117969
- DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa2104983
Abstract
Background: Many pregnant persons in the United States are receiving messenger RNA (mRNA) coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) vaccines, but data are limited on their safety in pregnancy.
Methods: From December 14, 2020, to February 28, 2021, we used data from the "v-safe after vaccination health checker" surveillance system, the v-safe pregnancy registry, and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to characterize the initial safety of mRNA Covid-19 vaccines in pregnant persons.
Results: A total of 35,691 v-safe participants 16 to 54 years of age identified as pregnant. Injection-site pain was reported more frequently among pregnant persons than among nonpregnant women, whereas headache, myalgia, chills, and fever were reported less frequently. Among 3958 participants enrolled in the v-safe pregnancy registry, 827 had a completed pregnancy, of which 115 (13.9%) resulted in a pregnancy loss and 712 (86.1%) resulted in a live birth (mostly among participants with vaccination in the third trimester). Adverse neonatal outcomes included preterm birth (in 9.4%) and small size for gestational age (in 3.2%); no neonatal deaths were reported. Although not directly comparable, calculated proportions of adverse pregnancy and neonatal outcomes in persons vaccinated against Covid-19 who had a completed pregnancy were similar to incidences reported in studies involving pregnant women that were conducted before the Covid-19 pandemic. Among 221 pregnancy-related adverse events reported to the VAERS, the most frequently reported event was spontaneous abortion (46 cases).
Conclusions: Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. However, more longitudinal follow-up, including follow-up of large numbers of women vaccinated earlier in pregnancy, is necessary to inform maternal, pregnancy, and infant outcomes.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33882218/
///////
New Study Links "Acute Chest Pain" In Male Soldiers To mRNA Vaccines
by Tyler Durden
Friday, Jul 02, 2021 - 05:11 AM
More research has been published highlighting more problematic side effects linked to COVID-19 shots. Last week, we published our latest update on rare cases of heart inflammation that have been linked to the mRNA COVID jabs, including the jabs from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. After a hurried secret meeting with its advisory board on vaccine safety, the FDA reluctantly release a warning asking patients experiencing these symptoms to seek help immediately.
All the members who tested for myocarditis (for those who aren't familiar with it, myocarditis is a condition that causes the swelling of the heart muscle and can cause difficulty breathing, heart failure, and death) were all "physically fit by military standards and lacking any known history of cardiac disease, significant cardiac risk factors, or exposure to cardiotoxic agents."
All of the patients whose data was included in the study underwent electrocardiography and echocardiography tests. Abnormal electrocardiography findings were recorded in 19 patients (83%): findings included ST-segment elevations, T-wave inversions, and nonspecific ST changes. Echocardiography in 4 patients (17%) demonstrated reduced left ventricular ejection fractions (40% to 50%).
The cardiac symptoms faded within a week of onset for 16 patients, while 7 others continued to have chest discomfort at the time of this report; follow-up is ongoing.
As one table from the study showed, the number of cases of heart inflammation reported in the military is much higher than the rate that one might expect given population-wide incidence of these symptoms. This suggests some new variable is likely causing the surge in cases.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...-inflammation-likely-tied-pfizer-moderna-jabs
Appreciate the response. though I fail to see why you felt a need to include the orange man reference.
Was not aware of who Stewart was myself, but did look back on the site and saw that is how the original story was posted.
Was left with an impression the author simply did not care, as he has yet to correct it.
As I consider the funding pumped into the antivax effort, I am actually surprised that is the case.
Was not aware of who Stewart was myself, but did look back on the site and saw that is how the original story was posted.
Was left with an impression the author simply did not care, as he has yet to correct it.
As I consider the funding pumped into the antivax effort, I am actually surprised that is the case.
Gry, the 'funding pumped into the antivax effort' is minuscule compared to the effort and expense of those pushing this so called vaccination...excuse me, mRNA gene therapy. remember this was produced under rockefeller medicine
one that doesn't prevent virus or infection can hardly be called a vaccine.
one that causes problems in some recipients can hardly be described as safe.
there is the fear that unvaccinated are threatening to those who've already been stabbed. it may or may not be substantiated. i get that.
but there is also the fear that the vaccination may cause bodily harm to those who refuse it & that those who refuse it are actually looking out for themselves...perhaps because of past experience with vaccinations...
whose fear is more relevant? whose fear trumps the others?
in my youth i had no problem exploring unknown substances, not many of which benefited me health wise. currently, in my condition, i have little interest in exploring the outcome of this 'warpspeed' wonder. nothing i read is comforting about its success. am i a 'hater' for that? no.
i've stated before, 'if you want to get the jab, get it'. if you don't want the jab, don't take it.
i've isolated, followed good hygiene, even worn the mask, but i draw the line when a possible severe reaction from an unproven and mostly untested therapeutic novelty from a distrusted source is forced upon me.
be well
one that doesn't prevent virus or infection can hardly be called a vaccine.
one that causes problems in some recipients can hardly be described as safe.
there is the fear that unvaccinated are threatening to those who've already been stabbed. it may or may not be substantiated. i get that.
but there is also the fear that the vaccination may cause bodily harm to those who refuse it & that those who refuse it are actually looking out for themselves...perhaps because of past experience with vaccinations...
whose fear is more relevant? whose fear trumps the others?
in my youth i had no problem exploring unknown substances, not many of which benefited me health wise. currently, in my condition, i have little interest in exploring the outcome of this 'warpspeed' wonder. nothing i read is comforting about its success. am i a 'hater' for that? no.
i've stated before, 'if you want to get the jab, get it'. if you don't want the jab, don't take it.
i've isolated, followed good hygiene, even worn the mask, but i draw the line when a possible severe reaction from an unproven and mostly untested therapeutic novelty from a distrusted source is forced upon me.
be well
Thank you trich, appreciate your perspective, and have no qualms with it.
Am well aware of the shortcomings that goes with anything big phama offers.
I accept the lockjaw vaccine when needed, but do skip their offered flu vaccine.
I will ad that I have had many many of their vaccines over the years as required
for travel. Have also had family that works with this, and am far from comfortable
with the level of integrity that big pharma and Rockefeller medicine offers.
I wish you well with the choices we are offered. Would and do propose that the
funding for both team pro and anti vax, are run out out a single wallet.
The far right are baby brained. They will never understand this because to understand what you are saying is to admit they've been taken for a ride/grift. In many instances their ego will never admit this.
Dr.RedWhite
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So in your case you prefer the Biden administration? And you think my loyalties are to Trump? You are loyal to the lies the propaganda networks put out and ignorance tempered with irrational hate. You seem to say in your derisive and dumb comment that the demrats are centrist republicans which is outrageous. But does that mean you espouse Marxism? I mean no matter what you have to pick a side.
Dr.RedWhite
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The really funny part is you lefty dupes must have real issues with your cognizant thought processes. After at least 5 years of your leftrat media lying to you and you sucking it up like breast milk you are still living in the dreamland of their lies. You lack the ability to recognize the obvious. The far right? Who are those people? If you say I am far right because I will fight for the country and it's constitution then though you are dead wrong I will proudly take that label. On the other hand are the leftists, are you one of them?
Trump and his kids did business in China too.
Trump even had a Chinese bank account.
I believe Jared’s sister sold American citizenship to Chinese Nationals for $500,000 apiece with the full support of the trump administration.
btw, How is China a “far greater problem”?
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Trump and his kids did business in China too, yes or maybe do you have a link.
Yes Trump did have a bank account in China but it was never used.
About this selling of American citizenship, I really need a legitimate link to believe that.
Have you been paying attention? Current events not on your fake news channels? For starters read the title to this forum. The CCP has been causing many problems, here is a simple search to enlighten you.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+communist+party+and+the+US+issues&t=newext&atb=v250-1&ia=web
