Covid 19 mrna Vaccines...Yes/No?

[mexcurandero420]

Don't use any mask anymore, not for a cold.Actually it's more dangerous to ware those ffp2 masks.In France they found graphene oxide in those masks, don't know about kn95.Wearing all the time those masks is not so good for your immune system.Btw you can caught MRSA infection and when it comes into your lungs, it's over and out.It will be very hard to get rid of it with antibiotics.

 

[trichrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yXWoYacJUw
Freedom Convoy

not making a difference huh?
i bet these Canadian patriots would beg to differ.

you vaxxhats are running out of time and baloney.
pretty sure there are more here that refuse the lefts cacophony of craziness than are supporting it.
get jabbed, who cares about your goosestepping gestapo tactics, your support group wanes in its effectiveness.
truth cannot hide from people who see the hypocrisy and hubris in denial of what their eyes see and their hearts believe.

we get it, you're antiAmerican.
you threw your lot in with the TPTB to destroy freedoms around the world.
you go to great length to dispel, discourage, demean, and destroy any alternative to your agenda.
Clause Schwab must pay well.

you do know that when SHTF you are just as vulnerable as any other on this planet.
no army will muster a response to your cries.

it may well be that you'll depend on a pureblood to shelter you...and with the rhetoric you spew they may decline to do so.
and having been vaxxed, they may shun you for being a superspreader.
good luck with that.

your road is getting rockier and rougher, your allies shirking and shaking, while more and more countries are abandoning lockdowns and mandates...it's but a matter of time before the whole Scamdemic implodes.

we will not forget, we will not forgive.
keep that in mind while you gladhand yourselves.

get boosted! Let's Go Brandon, FJT

 

[Muleskinner]

.Wearing all the time those masks is not so good for your immune system..

I have to agree - thinking back to 10-20 years I remember talking to people that were afraid to ride the subway out of fear of catching something. My philosophy was always that the annual flu bugs are going to find me eventually, no matter what. It's what you do about your health that will determine if you get sick and how bad. So I'd ride the subway every day next to the people sneezing and coughing....thinking the immune defense is like a muscle, if you don't challenge it and use it, it goes soft.

Now I eat leafy greens & avoid alcohol to keep the respiratory infections away. I don't think I ate any leafy greens from age 18 to age 40! Never bothered to eat healthy - it's everything! Garbage in, garbage out. Our bodies are literally composed of the foods we eat.

Often times I'd get sick after an all-nighter or traveling when I couldn't sleep enough. If I get 8 hours a night, my immune system is bulletproof, for me personally sleep is a huge factor.

 

[Muleskinner]

and here is the recent data from Scotland I mentioned...

http://www.bretswanson.com/index.php/2022/01/update-uk-and-scotland-covid-19-data/

 

[flylowgethigh]

The compliant are useful idiots. Believe anything the tee vee tells them. They are all amongst us. Real life zombies.

 

[Chi13]

Here's some interesting data - Covid report out of Australia - New South Wales. Fascinating numbers. 90% of the population is "vaccinated". In the most recent reporting period - the VAST majority of Covid cases were in the "Vaccinated" - About 400,000 cases in the vaccinated population, 55,000 in the "unvaccinated" population. So almost no protection at all from contracting Covid. Of those hospitalized, 85% of them were vaccinated, so only a slight benefit from vaccination. 75% of the deaths were among the vaccinated - so a higher degree of protection there from the vaccine - but still 3/4 of the dead had the shots.

One must also remember that people typically aren't counted as "vaccinated" until a month after the shot, so some of the "unvaccinated" dead may have received the shots. These numbers are similar to reports out of Scotland, where the vast majority of Covid cases and deaths are also in the vaccinated. Every month that goes by, the virus gets farther and farther from the original spike protein, just as epidemiologists predicted in early 2020.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...y-reports.aspx

Actually the opposite is the case. Unvaccinated are over represented in hospitalisation, ICU, and deaths from Covid. Also I believe the definition of fully vaccinated is two doses, not the booster dose. There are moves for the definition to change as everyone is advised to get a booster after 3 months.

Why it's important to look at the 'bigger picture' behind COVID-19 intensive care numbers

By the Specialist Reporting Team's Leonie Thorne
Posted Thu 3 Feb 2022 at 4:44amThursday 3 Feb 2022 at 4:44am, updated 21h ago21 hours agoCOVID ICU staff have been under-pressure during both the Omicron and Delta waves. (Supplied)

On the face of it, it seems confusing: data shows there are more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people in ICU in Victoria and New South Wales.

Taken out of context, it can contribute to misinformation or even give an incorrect picture of how effective vaccines are.

But experts say that given the vast majority of Australians are fully vaccinated, the data is not surprising.

We take a look at the figures, and why some people are still suffering adverse outcomes despite being fully vaccinated. This article from a couple of days ago.
Unvaccinated people are still over-represented in hospitals, death figures

If you look at raw NSW intensive care numbers in isolation with no other context, it can seem counterintuitive.

Between November 26 and January 8, 215 double-vaccinated people were admitted to intensive care, compared with 55 unvaccinated people, according to a recent COVID-19 surveillance report.

But those 215 people make up less than 0.1 per cent of fully vaccinated COVID-19 cases recorded in that period, while the 55 make up about 1.5 per cent of unvaccinated cases.

That might not sound like a big difference, but it's like a 1 in 1,000 chance of being admitted to intensive care if you're double vaccinated, versus a 15 in 1,000 chance if you're unvaccinated.

In other words, if you contract COVID-19, you're 15 times more likely to end up in ICU if you aren't vaccinated.

"The key issue really is not so much the percentage of people in ICU that have a given vaccination status," said Ian Marschner, a professor of biostatistics at the University of Sydney.

"The key issue is really to what extent are unvaccinated people over-represented in ICU? And to what extent are vaccinated people under-represented?

"And it's the relativity of those two things that really gives you information about whether vaccination is protecting against going into ICU."

A similar story is playing out in other parts of Australia.

The NT government recently said unvaccinated people made up about half of people in intensive care, despite making up a much smaller part of the population.

Queensland's health minister also recently reported that unvaccinated people made up between 20 and 30 per cent of COVID-19 deaths, despite making up just 8 per cent of the population.

According to a recent Victorian Chief Health Officer update, unvaccinated people accounted for 22.8 per cent of people in hospital and 35.8 per cent of people in ICU, despite making up less than 6 per cent of the population.

"This data clearly shows that a COVID-19 case is far more likely to be admitted to hospital or ICU if they are unvaccinated, and far less likely to be admitted if they have received three doses of the vaccine," the update said.

Anthony Holley, from the Australia New Zealand Intensive Care Society, said it was important not to let an out-of-context read of COVID-19 data convince anyone that vaccines were not effective.

"There is a relatively small group of the vaccinated patients that are indeed ending up in ICU. And this speaks to the efficacy of the vaccine," he said.

Why are some fully vaccinated people still going to ICU?
The vast majority of Australians are now double vaccinated. But even though vaccines reduce the risk of becoming seriously ill if you get COVID-19, no vaccine is 100 per cent effective.

"Very rare events, such as getting critically ill when you're double-vaxxed, still will occur when you've got millions of people [who are vaccinated]," said Stephen Warrilow, the director of intensive care at the Austin Hospital in Melbourne.

There are also some medical conditions that mean people are unfortunately more at risk of adverse outcomes from COVID-19, even when they are vaccinated.


That includes transplant recipients, whose immune systems are suppressed because of medication to stop their body rejecting the organ, as well as people with certain types of cancers.

"It's a tough time for people who are immunosuppressed at the moment because they can sort of do everything right, and they can follow all of the health advice and be doing quite well ... and they can still sometimes get quite sick," Dr Warrilow said.

Other risk factors for COVID-19 include obesity, older age, heart disease, and conditions like chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder (COPD), according to Jaya Dantas, a professor of international health at the School of Population Health at Curtin University in Western Australia.
During the Delta outbreak, most people in ICU were unvaccinated. Why the change?

Professor Marschner said there was one "key difference" between the Delta and Omicron outbreaks: the percentage of unvaccinated people in the community.

Back in early September, when NSW's Delta outbreak was at its peak, less than 50 per cent of the eligible population in the state were double dosed.

When the Delta outbreak peaked in Victoria around mid-October, less than 70 per cent of people over 16 had received their second dose of the vaccine.

By the time Omicron arrived in Australia in late November, more than 85 per cent of eligible Australians were fully vaccinated — and that number has continued to grow.

"During the Delta outbreak, we were really ramping up our vaccination coverage. Whereas with the Omicron outbreak, we're coming from a high base of vaccination coverage," Professor Marschner said.

"As we were ramping up our vaccination levels from very low levels to higher levels, we did expect a greater percentage of ICU patients to be unvaccinated."

At the time of writing, more than 93 per cent of Australians over 16 have had at least two doses of a COVID vaccine.

Professor Dantas said when looking at COVID-19 data, it was important to look at the "bigger picture" — which was that the vast majority of fully vaccinated people were not getting seriously ill with COVID-19.
What does this mean for vaccines?

While vaccines do offer protection against COVID-19, the effectiveness wanes over time.(Shutterstock: Halfpoint)

Another factor that could contribute to how COVID-19 affects vaccinated people, is how much time has passed since getting a second dose.

"The further you get from that second dose, the less likely you are to have a level of protection either against infection or severe disease, or symptomatic disease with Omicron," said Kylie Quinn, an immunologist and Vice Chancellors Research Fellow at RMIT University.

"From about five months after that second dose, then you start to see really significant waning."

People who were vaccinated early on in Australia's vaccine rollout, also tended to be people who were at higher risk from COVID-19, such as older people or those with underlying conditions, Dr Quinn said.

"They will have experienced more waning than people who got their second dose a little bit later in the rollout," she said.

Evidence also shows that Omicron is more likely to evade vaccines than previous variants of COVID-19.

This is why many experts, including state chief health officers, say it's important for people to get booster shots as soon as they can.

"I can't be clearer that a booster is essential in providing and maximising your protection against the Omicron variant," NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said.

"Two doses against the Omicron variant are not sufficient — you need the third dose. So anyone thinking that two doses is enough, I can't be clearer — please get that booster dose, and get it as soon as possible."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-...ital/100800114

 

[Muleskinner]

>>Actually the opposite is the case

You're using straw man on me my friend. Did you read my text? I said people with and without the vaccine are getting sick, infected, at the same rate. Then I said there is some protection against hospitalization and death, but not much. Pasting in a couple page of propaganda was unecessary. 90% of the population is vaccinated. 75% of the dead were vaccinated. So obviously - as I said - there is some protection against death from vaccination - if not, it would be 90% of the dead vaccinated.

The point is, the CDC and New York Times, Biden, Trump, and many others have repeatedly lied and said you will not get sick or hospitalized with the vaccine. In fact just today my copy of the NY Times said "vaccination immunizes you, for a long time, against serious illness". That's simply not true. The vaccines offer PARTIAL immunity - they're PARTIALLY effective.

This is what I said -see below - and my point stands - 90% of the population vaccinated. 85% of those hospitalized got the vaccine. This vaccine sucks! It barely does shit - any impartial observer can see that from the data. As pharmaceutical products go, this one has poor efficacy. And it's dangerous as hell - one of my friends dropped dead in their 50's, after getting the shot of a massive heart attack. No prior signs of heart disease whatsoever. Several other friends were bedridden with severe joint pain, fever and vomiting, enough to miss work for 1-3 days.

>>About 400,000 cases in the vaccinated population, 55,000 in the "unvaccinated" population. So almost no protection at all from contracting Covid. Of those hospitalized, 85% of them were vaccinated, so only a slight benefit from vaccination. 75% of the deaths were among the vaccinated - so a higher degree of protection there from the vaccine - but still 3/4 of the dead had the shots.

 

[Three Berries]

Long Funeral Homes, Short Life Insurers? Ex-Blackrock Fund Manager Discovers Disturbing Trends In Mortality

Four weeks ago, OneAmerica insurance company CEO Scott Davison revealed that they had witnessed 'the highest death rates in the history of this business - not just at OneAmerica' with a jump of '40% over what they were pre-pandemic.' Interestingly, Davison noted that the majority of deaths are not classified as due to Covid-19.

So the CEO in his own words. They are mandating vaccines in the workplace and raising premiums in lower vaccinated counties because they are mistakenly guessing here initially. The premiums will change to higher vaccinated areas as time moves on is my guess. He missed the plot. pic.twitter.com/avjFxkn7su

— Ed Free Thinker & Oracle (@DowdEdward) January 3, 2022​

The implication to many was clear - that the Covid-19 vaccine is linked to the excess mortality, and months of vaccine injury reports were now spilling over to actuarial data - which is beginning to show, among other things, that younger, working-age people began dying in greater numbers as vaccine mandates hit -for a disease which primarily kills older, non-working age individuals. The counter argument, often presented without evidence, is that the increase is due to people who postponed elective surgeries and other medical treatments during the pandemic.


https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...ckrock-fund-manager-discovers-some-disturbing

 

[trichrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5quJBljr10
And this is just what we know about



massive investment and extraordinary waste of PPE at cost to public.
just happened in commiefornia too, ten million $ worth of PPE left out in the rain.

Thousands of boxes of PPE worth more than $10 million were forgotten for months and left in the rain outside a California event center: report
Thousands of boxes containing brand new masks and personal protective equipment (PPE) worth more than $10 million were forgotten about for months and left in the rain outside an event center in California, ABC7 I-Team reported.
https://www.businessinsider.com/masks-ppe-covid-worth-10-million-rain-california-event-center-2022-1

qui bono?

 

[Three Berries]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5quJBljr10
And this is just what we know about



massive investment and extraordinary waste of PPE at cost to public.
just happened in commiefornia too, ten million $ worth of PPE left out in the rain.

Thousands of boxes of PPE worth more than $10 million were forgotten for months and left in the rain outside a California event center: report
Thousands of boxes containing brand new masks and personal protective equipment (PPE) worth more than $10 million were forgotten about for months and left in the rain outside an event center in California, ABC7 I-Team reported.
https://www.businessinsider.com/masks-ppe-covid-worth-10-million-rain-california-event-center-2022-1

qui bono?

JB Pritzker, Illinois' illustrious governor has steered both contact tracing, testing and PPE procuration all by companies under the Pritzker Organization.


Pritzker and Covid testing
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/il...e-in-companies-conducting-coronavirus-testing

Pritzker and mask
https://www.businessinsider.com/ill...cret-flights-bringing-masks-from-china-2020-4

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

>>Actually the opposite is the case

You're using straw man on me my friend. Did you read my text? I said people with and without the vaccine are getting sick, infected, at the same rate. Then I said there is some protection against hospitalization and death, but not much. Pasting in a couple page of propaganda was unecessary. 90% of the population is vaccinated. 75% of the dead were vaccinated. So obviously - as I said - there is some protection against death from vaccination - if not, it would be 90% of the dead vaccinated.

The point is, the CDC and New York Times, Biden, Trump, and many others have repeatedly lied and said you will not get sick or hospitalized with the vaccine. In fact just today my copy of the NY Times said "vaccination immunizes you, for a long time, against serious illness". That's simply not true. The vaccines offer PARTIAL immunity - they're PARTIALLY effective.

This is what I said -see below - and my point stands - 90% of the population vaccinated. 85% of those hospitalized got the vaccine. This vaccine sucks! It barely does shit - any impartial observer can see that from the data. As pharmaceutical products go, this one has poor efficacy. And it's dangerous as hell - one of my friends dropped dead in their 50's, after getting the shot of a massive heart attack. No prior signs of heart disease whatsoever. Several other friends were bedridden with severe joint pain, fever and vomiting, enough to miss work for 1-3 days.

>>About 400,000 cases in the vaccinated population, 55,000 in the "unvaccinated" population. So almost no protection at all from contracting Covid. Of those hospitalized, 85% of them were vaccinated, so only a slight benefit from vaccination. 75% of the deaths were among the vaccinated - so a higher degree of protection there from the vaccine - but still 3/4 of the dead had the shots.

Sorry to hear about your friend.

I admit, I'm just jumping in here and there may be a bunch of posts I didn't read. But, just want to clarify that I see something wrong with your understanding of the percentages which you've mentioned above.

Here's the issue as I see it: You mentioned that people with or without are getting sick at the same rate (which, if true should be 50%)

Next, you say that 90% of the (general) population is vaccinated.

The problem is when you say 75% of the dead were vaccinated and suggest that that means that the vaccines offer some protection.

If the vaccines offered protection, then the rate of deaths should be less than 50%. If it is above 50% then that is evidence that the jab is killing people.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Three Berries]

MSNBC Misinfo: Zeke Emanuel Peddles Fear, Says Unvaxxed Children 'Likely To Get Serious Case Of Covid'


https://www.zerohedge.com/political...s-unvaxxed-children-likely-serious-case-covid

"With the omicron variant, kids are either going to get the vaccine or they’re likely to get a serious condition of omicron. Having omicron with the vaccine is almost invariably going to be better and safer for children," Emanuel added. "I am confused about parents' attitudes. Five and above seems like a no-brainer. Two to five, I understand some hesitancy. Two and under with the small dose, I think probably a very good idea."

It's been widely established that Omicron is a relatively mild strain of Covid - from which children face an extremely low risk.

Another recent study cited by economist Emily Oster also reiterated the extremely low risk young children face of severe COVID-19 outcomes. "What we can say is that based on everything we know, the risks to small children from COVID-19 are extremely small," she wrote. -Fox News​

MSNBCfaced harsh criticism over Emanuel's statement.

This statement is not remotely true. https://t.co/iLSeeCsXz5

— Matt Welch (@MattWelch) February 4, 2022​

The network even tweeted (and then deleted) the easily debunked misinformation, receiving a serious ratio of comments to 'likes.'

Intentional? Or...

Following the backlash, Emanuel issued a Saturday tweet in which he says he "misspoke."


https://www.zerohedge.com/political...s-unvaxxed-children-likely-serious-case-covid

 

[Muleskinner]

Sorry to hear about your friend.

I admit, I'm just jumping in here and there may be a bunch of posts I didn't read. But, just want to clarify that I see something wrong with your understanding of the percentages which you've mentioned above.

Here's the issue as I see it: You mentioned that people with or without are getting sick at the same rate (which, if true should be 50%)

Next, you say that 90% of the (general) population is vaccinated.

The problem is when you say 75% of the dead were vaccinated and suggest that that means that the vaccines offer some protection.

If the vaccines offered protection, then the rate of deaths should be less than 50%. If it is above 50% then that is evidence that the jab is killing people.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not sure what you're asking - my thinking was if 90% of the population is vaccinated, and the vaccine does absolutely nothing, then you'd expect to see 90% of the people that die from Covid vaccinated. If only 75% of the dead were vaccinated, that indicates some level of protection against death from the vaccine. 25% of the dead are unvaccinated instead of 10%, that tells me the vaccine is cutting risk of death in half. About 90% of the new infections are among the vaccinated, that's why I suggested the vaccine is no longer protecting from infection.

I thought the vaccines made sense in summer 2020 when the first batches of them were given to the 80-year olds and people in nursing homes. Doing that appeared to immediately decrease the death rate in those groups. But when they finished injecting all the high-risk people, they kept going and try to force everyone to get them, including kids. That's where I see a problem. Covid is unusual, I've read that it's no more lethal than influenza for anyone under age 50. Other reports have suggested that number is even age 70. So what are we doing?

Here is a shocking list of hundreds of published studies & reports of vaccine-caused death and illness. There's risk and reward with this drug, I think the risk is higher than most people think. I don't know if my friend died from the vaccine, there's no way to prove it, most families aren't in the mood to start digging around w/ an autopsy....

https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-...hality/5767711
COVID-19 Vaccines: Proof of Lethality. Over One Thousand Scientific Studies

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

What people will one day learn is that the deathrate per age group and health risk group category is precisely identical to the norm. It is no surprise that a 96 year old is 99.9% more likely to die than a healthy 5 year old. (just like every year in the historic record).

 

[BudToaster]

pffft! what's 1,000 studies? (thanks for the link, by the way - feeds my confirmation bias) ... just remember "probably safe, likely effective" ... that's still true, eh?

 

[armedoldhippy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5quJBljr10
And this is just what we know about



massive investment and extraordinary waste of PPE at cost to public.
just happened in commiefornia too, ten million $ worth of PPE left out in the rain.

Thousands of boxes of PPE worth more than $10 million were forgotten for months and left in the rain outside a California event center: report
Thousands of boxes containing brand new masks and personal protective equipment (PPE) worth more than $10 million were forgotten about for months and left in the rain outside an event center in California, ABC7 I-Team reported.
https://www.businessinsider.com/masks-ppe-covid-worth-10-million-rain-california-event-center-2022-1

qui bono?

news a bit old. lagging much?

 

[airplane]

fyi __ Oregon State University found that 2 hemp cannabinoides CBDa and CBGa could block COVID-19 - the cannabinoides can actualy prevernt the virus that causes covid from entering human cells (ref: Hemp Indrustry wk Jan 12, 2022

 

[buzzmobile]

fyi __ Oregon State University found that 2 hemp cannabinoides CBDa and CBGa could block COVID-19 - the cannabinoides can actualy prevernt the virus that causes covid from entering human cells (ref: Hemp Indrustry wk Jan 12, 2022

In vitro or in vivo?

 

[Muleskinner]

All in vitro at this point.....Here's a good article on the cannabis/covid research - note that he says THCa was just as effective in the lab as CBDa...but they won't be including it in future research because of Federal Prohibition. Remember these acid-forms of the cannabinoids disappear with decarb and/or aging. You can't smoke them....juicing w/ fresh plant material is one good way to get them:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvn7...event-covid-19

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherri...ovid-19-virus/

And another research team found similar results last year:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ung-cells.aspx

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....432967v1.full

 

[Muleskinner]

What people will one day learn is that the deathrate per age group and health risk group category is precisely identical to the norm. It is no surprise that a 96 year old is 99.9% more likely to die than a healthy 5 year old. (just like every year in the historic record).

Yes, but I think this factor is worse with Covid. Worse than influenza for example. Influenza is more dangerous in the elderly than the young, but it hits and kills younger people and kids worse than Covid. Probably due to the fact that Covid's a novel (new) pathogen.