Covid 19 mrna Vaccines...Yes/No?

[Chi13]

>>Actually the opposite is the case

You're using straw man on me my friend. Did you read my text? I said people with and without the vaccine are getting sick, infected, at the same rate. Then I said there is some protection against hospitalization and death, but not much. Pasting in a couple page of propaganda was unecessary. 90% of the population is vaccinated. 75% of the dead were vaccinated. So obviously - as I said - there is some protection against death from vaccination - if not, it would be 90% of the dead vaccinated.

The point is, the CDC and New York Times, Biden, Trump, and many others have repeatedly lied and said you will not get sick or hospitalized with the vaccine. In fact just today my copy of the NY Times said "vaccination immunizes you, for a long time, against serious illness". That's simply not true. The vaccines offer PARTIAL immunity - they're PARTIALLY effective.

This is what I said -see below - and my point stands - 90% of the population vaccinated. 85% of those hospitalized got the vaccine. This vaccine sucks! It barely does shit - any impartial observer can see that from the data. As pharmaceutical products go, this one has poor efficacy. And it's dangerous as hell - one of my friends dropped dead in their 50's, after getting the shot of a massive heart attack. No prior signs of heart disease whatsoever. Several other friends were bedridden with severe joint pain, fever and vomiting, enough to miss work for 1-3 days.

>>About 400,000 cases in the vaccinated population, 55,000 in the "unvaccinated" population. So almost no protection at all from contracting Covid. Of those hospitalized, 85% of them were vaccinated, so only a slight benefit from vaccination. 75% of the deaths were among the vaccinated - so a higher degree of protection there from the vaccine - but still 3/4 of the dead had the shots.

I am not using a strawman argument at all. Did you even read the article? The reason I posted was that you clearly misunderstood the stats. Vaccinated and unvaccinated are not getting sick, being put in ICU, or dying at the same rate. I did not post propaganda; you are just choosing to view it as such.

Btw, no one has said you will not get hospitalised, sick, or even die, if you get the vaccine, just that your chances of surviving or becoming very ill are vastly improved with the vaccine.

Anyway posts like yours are the reason I don't bother much with speakers corner any more.

Australia is 90% vaccinated. If the vaccine wasn't working you would expect that deaths and ICU cases would be 90%. They aren't. In addition, most of the cases are omicron, and whilst Australians are 90% double vaxxed, the same can't be said for booster shots, which are needed vs omicron. Booster shots would likely reduce those numbers in ICU, and the death rate.
So, just to repeat from the article, since no one reads more that a few paragraphs;
Between November 26 and January 8, 215 double-vaccinated people were admitted to intensive care, compared with 55 unvaccinated people, according to a recent COVID-19 surveillance report.

But those 215 people make up less than 0.1 per cent of fully vaccinated COVID-19 cases recorded in that period, while the 55 make up about 1.5 per cent of unvaccinated cases.

That might not sound like a big difference, but it's like a 1 in 1,000 chance of being admitted to intensive care if you're double vaccinated, versus a 15 in 1,000 chance if you're unvaccinated.

In other words, if you contract COVID-19, you're 15 times more likely to end up in ICU if you aren't vaccinated.
(link to article in my earlier post)

 

[airplane]

All in vitro at this point.....Here's a good article on the cannabis/covid research - note that he says THCa was just as effective in the lab as CBDa...but they won't be including it in future research because of Federal Prohibition. Remember these acid-forms of the cannabinoids disappear with decarb and/or aging. You can't smoke them....juicing w/ fresh plant material is one good way to get them:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvn7...event-covid-19

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherri...ovid-19-virus/

And another research team found similar results last year:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ung-cells.aspx

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....432967v1.full

thanks -- good information - !!!!!

 

[mexcurandero420]

Tribunal 2.0 has begun.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

 

[St. Phatty]

I laid off the Ivermectin for a month, because I made the mistake of taking it on an empty stomach, after a long swim, and it upset my stomach.

But it's hard to avoid the articles about Long Covid, it's worth protecting yourself. Plus it's very effective for Herpes.

BUT it's bitter - got to take it with food.


As for those who try to push the "vaccine" onto others - maybe you'll understand science in your next lifetime.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Tribunal 2.0 has begun.

Technically, the Tribunal has not begun. This is a preliminary public Grand Jury process that will be used to launch the tribunals. It's a good indication of what is coming.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Technically, the Tribunal has not begun. This is a preliminary public Grand Jury process that will be used to launch the tribunals. It's a good indication of what is coming.

"technically" it's not going to happen, LOL! twitter for a "source", jesus... what, were they out of National Enquirer at the grocery store?

 

[GOT_BUD?]

I laid off the Ivermectin for a month, because I made the mistake of taking it on an empty stomach, after a long swim, and it upset my stomach.

But it's hard to avoid the articles about Long Covid, it's worth protecting yourself. Plus it's very effective for Herpes.

BUT it's bitter - got to take it with food.


As for those who try to push the "vaccine" onto others - maybe you'll understand science in your next lifetime.

And what graduate school did you attend to get your doctorate so you could "understand the science"?

 

[unclefishstick]

And what graduate school did you attend to get your doctorate so you could "understand the science"?

apparently herpes university,home of the fighting std's!

 

[Great outdoors]

I laid off the Ivermectin for a month, because I made the mistake of taking it on an empty stomach, after a long swim, and it upset my stomach.

But it's hard to avoid the articles about Long Covid, it's worth protecting yourself. Plus it's very effective for Herpes.

BUT it's bitter - got to take it with food.


As for those who try to push the "vaccine" onto others - maybe you'll understand science in your next lifetime.

Are you seriously taking regular doses of ivermectin as a preventative rather than a vaccine?

 

[armedoldhippy]

Are you seriously taking regular doses of ivermectin as a preventative rather than a vaccine?

why not? The Chump said it was a good idea. better than a bleach IV even...plus, it keeps his hookworms under control.

 

[Great outdoors]

why not? The Chump said it was a good idea. better than a bleach IV even...plus, it keeps his hookworms under control.

I just don't get how some can slip so far off the deep end.

 

[Cannavore]

live and die by the strawman.


here's a more accurate representation of the dialogue on this forum and basically the entire country surrounding covid 19:

Keyboard Doctor - "da vaccine and da vaccinated are dying worse dan da unvaccinated. herpty derp natural immunity herpty derp ivermectin herpty derp bill gates gateway pundit great reset"

Me & Others - "none of that is correct, here's primary source information and an explaination of why you're wrong"

Keyboard Doctor - "fake stats fake data. how could u trust da gubbermint huh? muh VAERS and muh Dr Malone says otherwise"

 

[Three Berries]

Almost every one is infested with parasites. Just depends on how you get along with them. Ivermectin at 18mg per kg of body weight for six days, is a great way to elimination and as a maintenance to keep them gone with just two days a week . Used world wide by millions.

 

[Cannavore]

covid 19 isn't a parasitic infection so who gives a shit, that's like saying i take daily preventative pepto bismal for covid 19 because pepto works against upset stomachs. ivermectin has minimal anti-viral properties. that doesn't mean it can treat c19.

 

[trichrider]

it's entertaining to see how people squirm about an infection that has a 99.97 recovery/survival rate.
go smoke some rope ya derpy dope.

 

[Great outdoors]

Almost every one is infested with parasites. Just depends on how you get along with them. Ivermectin at 18mg per kg of body weight for six days, is a great way to elimination and as a maintenance to keep them gone with just two days a week . Used world wide by millions.

Sounds like a good slow way to poison yourself.
I wouldn't give my dog that frequency of dosages, and he actually gets worms, lol.
It's pretty simple logic that a vaccine is much less invasive.

 

[Three Berries]

Parasites are behind a lot of disease and many viruses mimic them to avoid the immune system.

 

[Three Berries]

Sounds like a good slow way to poison yourself.
I wouldn't give my dog that frequency of dosages, and he actually gets worms, lol.
It's pretty simple logic that a vaccine is much less invasive.

Do you give your dog ivermectin?

 

[Cannavore]

it's entertaining to see how people squirm about an infection that has a 99.97 recovery/survival rate.
go smoke some rope ya derpy dope.

The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults.


"Fuckin pussies its only a 5% chance your kid will become paralyzed due to polio, go ahead jab yourself up with the gubbermint poison for no reason"