Coronavirus.. outlook

[Klompen]

Virologists (Cambridge and Frankfurt Universities) have identified 3 version of SARS-2 coronavirus. Call them the first, scond, and third, the first being earliest and simplest, the others being increasingly sophisticated as they mutate to overcome human resistance. The first was first found in Canton, about 500 miles south of Canton. The specimens in Wuhan were mostly not of that type, they were type 2. [SARS-2 may have jumped to the West from Wuhan, but did not begin there.] Most of the specimens found in Europe have been type 3. The virus evolves.

A man in Hong Kong got the disease and recovered. His body produced antibodies. He got sick again months later from another version (I don't which ones.) The antibodies from one version did not help in fighting another version. Will we need three separate versions of vaccine? Will we need more if the virus evolves further?

It is so much worse than it even sounds. The "type" definitions aren't so rigid that one could even expect immunity to multiple phenotypes. The spike protein is very easily modified as needed. We may need multiple vaccine several times a year to even hope for it to actually be effective. Its not particularly realistic. Vaccine may not be a good hope for this virus. It may require entirely new approaches.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Since the 1960s they try to produce a vaccine for this virus family, till now no success.

 

[aridbud]

UNM ends plasma trials, showing little benefit.

So, several vaccines need to be approved for initial SARS-COVID 19 and the ones emerging as mutations from COVID. Just like the influenza vaccine, it changes annually.

 

[flylowgethigh]

This has been a big scam

This has been a big scam

Now the CDC has come out and admitted that only 6% of deaths are WuFlu. The rest are why deaths from everything else are way down.

For various reasons, they conned the world into shutting down.

https://mobile.twitter.com/littllemel/status/1299791452105474057

 

[aridbud]

Believe what you want on Twitter, known for erroneous reporting along with FB.

We get daily state COVID numbers, and Medfinder has shown daily results as well.

 

[Medfinder]

Coronavirus Cases:
25,229,932
view by country
Deaths:
847,706
Recovered:
17,578,048
ACTIVE CASES
6,804,178
Currently Infected Patients
6,742,888 (99%)
in Mild Condition

61,290 (1%)
Serious or Critical
Show Statistics
CLOSED CASES
18,425,754
Cases which had an outcome:
17,578,048 (95%)
Recovered / Discharged

847,706 (5%)
Deaths

 

[Medfinder]

I was prospecting at Shaws cove and Cresent bay laguna beach yesterday...wearing an mask...

95 percent of persons no mask..packed crowded conditions..

6pm..7:30 pm... talked with 20 somethings that said oh ya we had coronvirus..it was like bronchitis with chills fever and aches.

You couldn't see 2 once of fat on these guys.


Found bottle caps and a quarter.

Maybe I'll go Newport and sweep this week.

Good luck everyone.

 

[Klompen]

Now the CDC has come out and admitted that only 6% of deaths are WuFlu. The rest are why deaths from everything else are way down.

For various reasons, they conned the world into shutting down.

https://mobile.twitter.com/littllemel/status/1299791452105474057

6% is a lot of people who are someone's family, friend, child, etc

They lock down most of the world over this and it still kills that many people. Somehow that equates to "hoax" in the mind of people who haven't thought it through fully. If anything, the lockdown shows just how virulent this virus really is.

 

[aridbud]

I was prospecting at Shaws cove and Cresent bay laguna beach yesterday...wearing an mask...

95 percent of persons no mask..packed crowded conditions..

6pm..7:30 pm... talked with 20 somethings that said oh ya we had coronvirus..it was like bronchitis with chills fever and aches.

You couldn't see 2 once of fat on these guys.


Found bottle caps and a quarter.

Maybe I'll go Newport and sweep this week.

Good luck everyone.

Can't believe that soooooo many think COVID is a ruse....it's real, folks! Yes, 6% is more than what the total to open gating allows....for our state it was 5%, and we're currently sitting at 3%. Many other states are in the double digits (teen percentages) Imagine it will increase with Labor Day parties going on.

Healthy or not, a mask needs to be essential equipment like keys to a vehicle.
Public health experts look at a few markers to determine how bad things are in each state: the number of daily new cases; the infection rate, which can show how likely the virus is to spread; the percentage of tests that come back positive, which should be low in a state with sufficient testing; and the percentage of hospital beds that are occupied by very sick patients.

Analysis indicates the vast majority of states report alarming trends across all four benchmarks for coronavirus outbreaks. Most states still report a high — sometimes very high — number of daily new Covid-19 cases. Most still have high infection rates. Most still have test positive rates that are too high, indicating they don’t have enough tests to track and contain the scope of their outbreaks. (The US overall has seen a decrease in new cases in recent weeks, but the numbers are still much too high.) And most still have hospitals with intensive care units that are too packed.

Across these benchmarks, only four states — Connecticut, New Hampshire, New York, and Vermont — fare well on all four metrics, meaning their epidemics are relatively under control for now. (Colorado, South Carolina, and Washington state are excluded due to recent errors in test reporting.)

 

[mexcurandero420]

Covid vaccine rush could make pandemic worse, say scientists
Experts say strong evidence of efficacy needed to avoid approval of inferior vaccines.

The rush to immunise populations against Covid-19 could lead to the rollout of a vaccine that is not very effective and risk worsening the pandemic, leading scientists have said.

Politicians and commercial companies are competing to be the first to license a vaccine, but experts say the world would be better served by waiting until comprehensive results showed at least 30-50% effectiveness.

Ministers announced on Friday that the UK would take emergency powers to push any vaccine through the regulatory processes with unprecedented speed before the end of the year. Donald Trump wants to be able to announce the US has a vaccine before tthe presidential election on 3 November.

A vaccine is vital to stopping the pandemic, but Prof Sir Richard Peto of Oxford University and an adviser to the World Health Organization, said the first vaccine would be bought and used all over the world even if it had low efficacy.

Even if it protected only a minority of the population, it would be regarded as the standard by which later vaccines would be measured. That could even lead to inferior vaccines being approved, because they would not have to show that they were any better.


“I think there’s a big rush, a somewhat nationalistic rush and also somewhat capitalistic rush as well, to be absolutely first to register a vaccine, and it will actually make it more difficult to evaluate other vaccines,” Peto said.

“We do need a vaccine that works and we need it soon,” but “we really do need quite strong evidence of efficacy”.

There is huge political and commercial momentum in the UK behind the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, which is ahead of most other contenders in the world. Trials are taking place in a number of countries, including those with high levels of infection, such as South Africa and Brazil, where how well it works will become clear more quickly .

The Department of Health said on Friday that it planned to take emergency measures to ensure the UK could licence a vaccine this year if it had sufficient evidence of safety and efficacy. Until 31 December, the UK would otherwise have to wait for the European Medicines Agency to approve a vaccine. Next year, post-Brexit, the UK will license its own vaccines and drugs.

In its consultation document on changing the law, the government says the UK’s joint committee on vaccines and immunisation (JCVI) will be responsible for recommending that a vaccine that should go forward for licensing. That committee is chaired by Prof Andrew Pollard, the director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, who has said they may have enough data to give to regulators before the end of the year.

Peto is a member of the WHO’s Solidarity Vaccines Trial Expert Group, which is made up of leading scientists around the world who are advising on the establishment of the WHO’s trial to compare different vaccine candidates.

The group said in the Lancet medical journal last week that a poor vaccine would be worse than no vaccine, not least because people who had it would assume they were no longer at risk and stop social distancing.

“Deployment of a weakly effective vaccine could actually worsen the Covid-19 pandemic if authorities wrongly assume it causes a substantial reduction in risk, or if vaccinated individuals wrongly believe they are immune, hence reducing implementation of, or compliance with, other Covid-19 control measures,” they said.

They urged all regulators to stick to the WHO’s guidance, which says that no vaccine that is less than 30% effective should be approved. It recommends at least 50% effectiveness, but allowing for 95% accuracy that could mean 30% in practice.

The Food and Drug Administration, the US regulator, has said it will abide by the 30% guidance, but some observers think it may come under political pressure to license a vaccine that falls below that threshold.

The Lancet piece says trials such as Solidarity, which compare various vaccines, are a better way to proceed.

“In comparison with individual trials for each of the many different vaccines, a global multi-vaccine trial with a shared control group could provide more rapid and reliable results,” they write.

“High enrolment rates facilitated by flexible trial design and hundreds of study sites in high-incidence locations could yield results on short-term efficacy for each vaccine within just a few months of including that vaccine.”

Good results on safety and effectiveness do not guarantee there will be no long-term problems, they add. The vaccine’s protection may wane, for instance.

“The trial costs will be a fraction of the societal costs of Covid-19, and this global collaboration could rebut detrimental vaccine nihilism and vaccine nationalism,” they write.

The Guardian

 

[Amynamous]

Now the CDC has come out and admitted that only 6% of deaths are WuFlu. The rest are why deaths from everything else are way down.

For various reasons, they conned the world into shutting down.

https://mobile.twitter.com/littllemel/status/1299791452105474057

Do you have an actual source, or were you just ?


Twitter pulled whatever you were trying to link to.

 

[Switcher56]

Do you have an actual source, or were you just ?


Twitter pulled whatever you were trying to link to.

Probably because they used "red" fonts

 

[Medfinder]

I personally know an retail clerk got covid 19..UFCW she goes back next week..21 days off 2 days ventilator..35 years old.

Ccp...change your ways.

 

[armedoldhippy]

got 5 that i know of (in my building/shift) at work that have tested positive, 2 of those are ill. 3 asymptomatic. 7 more being tested, awaiting results. about 140 people in the 2 plants running 12 hr shifts.
co. quit paying folks to self-isolate until results back as originally planned. (they think guys are getting tested to "get a paid week off". possible). now guys are getting tested on their own dime but are NOT isolating because they "don't want to miss work/lose pay" if the test is negative. so 2 of the 4 known cases worked after being tested while waiting for results. how many more you think they passed it to? how many of THAT group has handed it off to unwitting others? good lord...

 

[Im'One]

Same here hippy, we are told to come back in three days if asymptomatic.
Daughters employee had a cough couldn't get tested by the health department. His first grader son went back to school teacher is anti masker. Kids comes up sick get to the urgent care at 9 am and there's a hundred people head of him. He tests positive and start crying thinking he's gonna die so teachers sent him to the foyer of school to wait by himself for mom.
This is southern Missouri.
So now daughters three employees down out of six, the dad. The mom and dad and coworker that rode with dad everyday but refused to mask up.
They are laid off.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Same here hippy, we are told to come back in three days if asymptomatic.
Daughters employee had a cough couldn't get tested by the health department. His first grader son went back to school teacher is anti masker. Kids comes up sick get to the urgent care at 9 am and there's a hundred people head of him. He tests positive and start crying thinking he's gonna die so teachers sent him to the foyer of school to wait by himself for mom.
This is southern Missouri.
So now daughters three employees down out of six, the dad. The mom and dad and coworker that rode with dad everyday but refused to mask up.
They are laid off.

they are telling teachers that here. i guess they think "asymptomatic" means "you can't catch it from me" instead of "i don't have visible symptoms"...

 

[St. Phatty]

I was prospecting at Shaws cove and Cresent bay laguna beach yesterday...wearing an mask...

Found bottle caps and a quarter.

Maybe I'll go Newport and sweep this week.

Good luck everyone.

well, hope you find a Rolex.

what kind of metal detector would you suggest for more geology type prospecting ?

basically looking for masses of mostly dry clay that has flour gold mixed in.

also, metallic objects buried under 5 feet of compost - what metal detector do you get for that ?


I missed the good used deals for a detector, may end up paying retail.

I wonder, what is the difference between the expensive ones & something like the Garrett Ace 250 ($200) ?

 

[Medfinder]

Coronavirus Cases:
25,436,912
view by country
Deaths:
851,349
Recovered:
17,750,816
ACTIVE CASES
6,834,747
Currently Infected Patients
6,773,647 (99%)
in Mild Condition

61,100 (1%)
Serious or Critical

Show Statistics
CLOSED CASES
18,602,165
Cases which had an outcome:
17,750,816 (95%)
Recovered / Discharged

851,349 (5%)
Deaths

 

[Medfinder]

Got an invite for an food box free give away at laguna hills mall for 8am to 12pm...

The line was 2 miles into El Toro rd... at 10am..

Thousands of cars...sheriff cars officers covered all points of direction...


They closed and directed traffic toward 5 fry way after the food ran out...

Covid 19 outlook?

Troubling.

 

[Swamp Thang]

Hearing about a food giveaway in affluent Laguna Hills, of all places, reads like the plot element of a science-fiction movie, as do events on the streets of Portland Oregon, where full tilt civil war erupted briefly.

These are indeed strange and interesting times to live through, for sure.