Coronavirus.. outlook

[trichrider]

gates has just implied that ncovid-SARS2 will require multiple vaccinations.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-bill-gates-multiple-doses/

Multiple vaccine doses could be necessary to protect from coronavirus, Bill Gates says
By Audrey McNamara
July 23, 2020 / 7:21 AM / CBS News

Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates said Wednesday that people could need multiple doses of a potential coronavirus vaccine to immunize themselves from the coronavirus. If necessary, the multiple doses could require more than 7 billion vaccinations to be administered worldwide.
"None of the vaccines at this point appear like they'll work with a single dose," Gates said. "That was the hope at the very beginning."
The billionaire philanthropist, who has donated $300 million towards the global effort to combat COVID-19 through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, told "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell that deploying a coronavirus vaccine will require a global effort.

 

[Swamp Thang]

I'll never quite figure out why Bill and Melinda Gates' efforts to eradicate disease globally, have attracted so many mean-spirited conspiracy theories the world over. Bill Gates simply wants to make major positive changes with his staggering wealth, rather than just sit on that vast fortune and live it up, like most people in his shoes would be inclined to do.

The efforts of the Gates Foundation, to empower women, and control malaria in Third World countries, by way of example, hint at a desire to reduce the incentives that lead to mass migration from impoverished countries to the industrialized west, perhaps on the premise that economic refugees often become liabilities, rather than assets to the economies of those industrialized western nations that are typically the destination of preference for such desperate immigrants. Fixing the Third World is a good thing for the entire planet, and should be commended, rather than questioned.

Bill Gates is at heart, a good man, who, because of his altruistic character, has unfortunately attracted a fair amount of unwarranted spite from people who maybe just despise rich people as a matter of personal policy.

I hope this slight deviation from the subject at hand is not regarded as too far off topic, bearing in mind the pivotal role the Gates Foundation plays in the field of public health world-wide.

 

[Klompen]

There are a few factors at play that might be responsible for the extremity of people's reaction to Gates(some of which are because of him and some of which are because he's a rich dude in America).

The first issue would be his complicated and shady relationship with everyone from software and hardware vendors to the original developer of DOS. He developed a reputation among some early on that he was really more of a con man than a coder. How true that is may be up to debate, but that's how a lot of folks felt about him.

The other big source of ire toward him relates to how the rich do charity in this country and what his particular choices of charities are. Charity donation is largely a scam in this country and really is just a method of reimbursing the rich or otherwise rewarding them for giving to whatever cause they care about. Sounds OK when they're feeding people, but more controversial issues become an issue of the rich basically deciding the tone the rest of the world lives by. They get to dumb money on churches for example and We The People are supposed to compensate them for it. That makes some people kinda angry with the rich in general. Many of us see it as an obscene pile of garbage that has Gates near the top.

Its not like there aren't reasons to dislike him, but I do think many of these theories about him are too much.

 

[armedoldhippy]

dammit, i'm out of + rep again, Klompen. you are spot-on though, i think.

 

[pumpkinpie eyes]

How about do your own research for a change.

BTW

Zach Galifianakis is this nations hero/

Vote for ron white! ya cant fix stu-

no reasonable research done dude.

 

[mexcurandero420]

@Mex Bill Gates and his foundation provided 100 million dollars in seed money to several small biotech companies that had promising covid19 vaccines/treatments. The US government has been doing the same thing. I believe other governments and wealthy persons/ foundations have been doing the same. Wait until all of the results are in. No reason to get your panties in a bunch hating on Gates. I believe there’s already a couple of threads on that.

The Dutch government did the same €400 million for the Oxford/AstraZenica vaccin, only problem is, is it gonna help.Since the 1960s they tried to produce a vaccin for some members of the corona family, but till now no vaccin available or what might work.

Interview with the epidemiologist of Sweden.

Why we aren’t wearing masks in Sweden
Anders Tegnell, architect of a unique response to the pandemic, defends his approach.

just a few short months Anders Tegnell, architect of Sweden’s unique response to the Covid-19 pandemic, has gone from unknown physician and technocrat to a household celebrity in Sweden and in countries around the world. He is beloved by some (people have even had tattoos made with his face) and intensely disliked by others. Today he is suntanned and relaxed, having just returned from his summer holiday, and wearing an open-necked polo shirt.

After all these months, does he now think that his strategy is a failure or a success? A bit of both, he says quickly, but emphasises more of the latter:

“I think to a great extent it’s been a success. We are now seeing rapidly falling cases, we have continuously had healthcare that has been working, there have been free beds at any given time, never any crowding in the hospitals, we have been able to keep schools open which we think is extremely important, and society fairly open — while still having social distancing in place in a way that means that the spread of the disease has been limited.

The failure has of course been the death toll … that has been very much related to the long-term care facilities in Sweden. Now that has improved, we see a lot less cases in those facilities.”

Mortality is hardly an afterthought — so why is Sweden’s mortality rate so high? At around 550 per million of population, it sits just under the UK and Italy but far above neighbouring Norway and Denmark. Dr Tegnell offers a collection of reasons: with its larger migrant populations and dense urban areas, Sweden is actually more similar to the Netherlands and the UK than it is to other Scandinavian countries; he believes the Swedish counting system for deaths has been more stringent than elsewhere; also, countries are at different points in the epidemic cycle so it is too early to compare totals.

The one thing he doesn’t mention in this list is that Sweden, uniquely in Europe, did not impose a mandatory lockdown at any point. Is he really claiming that this is not even a factor?

“I am not sure that it is easy to say that lockdown would make the difference … in many ways we have had a very stringent lockdown in Sweden. We have cut down on movement in society quite a lot: we have compared how much we travel in Scandinavian countries, and the decrease in travel is the same in Sweden as in neighbouring countries … In many ways the voluntary measures we put in place in Sweden have been just as effective as complete lockdowns in other countries. So I don’t think complete lockdown is the way to go for all countries … the rapidly declining cases we see in Sweden right now is another indication that you can get the number of cases down quite a lot in a country without having a complete lockdown.”

I ask again: is he claiming that lockdowns make no difference?

“We don’t know. It would have made maybe some difference, we don’t know. But on the other hand we know that lockdowns also have big other effects on public health. We know that closing schools has a great effect on children’s health in the short and the long term. We know that people being out of work also produces a lot of problems in the public health area. So we also have to look at what are the negative effect of lockdowns, and that has not been done very much so far.”

Tegnell points out the huge differences between different areas in Sweden — parts of the South that have had much lower Covid-19 than Copenhagen just over the water while Stockholm has had it much worse, despite the same lockdown policy nationwide. This he puts down to the volume of original introduction of the disease due to international travel:

“There seems to be a close connection to how many people introduced the disease at the same time… The spring holidays in Sweden are spread over four different weeks depending on different geographical regions. Unfortunately Stockholm happened to have its spring holiday just when there was an enormous spread of Covid-19 in Europe … so a lot of Swedes living in the Stockholm area came back with the disease. And that started an epidemic on a level that was much higher than the start of the epidemic in the South of Sweden, or in Finland or in Norway. Currently that’s to me the most likely theory – that if you have a massive introduction, it’s going to be a disease that is very, very hard to control.” Stockholm, in other words, was more like London or New York than Oslo or Helsinki in terms of introduction of the virus.

He believes strongly that eradication — the zero-tolerance approach that is increasingly winning the day in the UK and US — is not a viable option.

“I don’t think that this is a disease that we can eradicate – not with the methods that we have right now. It might be a disease that in the long term we can eradicate with a vaccine, but I’m not even sure about that. If you look at comparable diseases like the flu and other respiratory viruses we are not even close to eradicating them despite the fact that we have a vaccine. I personally believe that this is a disease we are going to have to learn to live with.”

Many people feel that Anders Tegnell’s approach has been overly laissez-faire and that even now, he should be introducing more draconian measures. A model this week from his Health Agency suggested as many as 3000 additional deaths may be seen in Sweden in the next year — shouldn’t he do more to stop that happening?

He insists that those projections are only models, and that he hopes and expects to achieve a much better result. But he is also mindful of whether these draconian measures may do more harm than good:

“Of course we are trying to keep the mortality rates as low as possible, but at the same time we have to look at the draconian measures you are talking about. Are they going to produce even more deaths by other means than the disease itself? Somehow we need to have the discussion of what we are actually trying to achieve. Is it better for public health as a whole? Or is it trying to suppress Covid-19 as much as possible? Because getting rid of it I don’t think is going to happen: it happened for a short time in New Zealand and maybe Iceland and those kind of countries might be able to keep it away, but with the global world we have today, keeping a disease like this away has never been possible in the past and it would be even more surprising if it were possible in the future.”

One type of intervention that does not appear to have adverse effects is encouraging, or mandating, the use of masks. This has become an intensely political issue in the US and more recently in the UK. In Sweden mask use is minimal in almost all settings. Why is he not even recommending use of masks?

“One reason is that the evidence base for using masks in society is still very weak. Even if more and more countries are now enforcing them in different ways … we haven’t seen any new evidence coming up, which is a little bit surprising. The other reason is that everything tells us that keeping social distance is a much better way of controlling this disease than putting masks on people. We are worried (and we get at least tales from other countries) that people put on masks and then they believe they can go around in society being close to each other, even going around in society being sick. And that, in our view, would definitely produce higher spread than we have right now.”

The emphasis on spread of the virus to the exclusion of everything else Dr Tegnell believes is misguided, as the number of cases is less and less correlated to the number of deaths.

“Deaths are not so closely connected to the amount of cases you have in a country. There are so many other things that influence the amount of deaths you have. What part of the population gets hit? Is it the elderly people? How well can you protect people in your long-term facilities? How well does your healthcare system continue to function? How can we improve the treatment in ICUs? All of these things have been changing a lot in the past few months… Those things will influence mortality a lot more, I think, than the actual spread of the disease.”

His belief is that, in the final account, the Infection Fatality Rate will be similar to the flu: “somewhere between 0.1% and 0.5% of people getting infected, maybe … And that is not radically different to what we see with the yearly flu.”

On the controversial question of immunity, he suggests that a larger percentage of the population in Sweden is already immune than antibody studies suggest.

“There are a number of small studies already that show that of people who had been diagnosed with Covid-19 with PCR, not all of them develop antibodies. On the other hand we have quite a lot of evidence that falling ill with Covid-19 twice seems to be extremely rare… Obviously there is also quite a big part of the population that has other kinds of immunity and T Cell immunity is the one that is most likely.

“What we see right now is a rapid fall in the number of cases, and of course some kind of immunity has to be involved in that as nothing else has changed. That means that immunity affects the R value quite a lot in Sweden today.”

Does that mean that Sweden will be better placed to limit second waves and future flare ups than countries that have had minimal infection levels so far?

“I think it’s likely that those kinds of outbreaks will be easier to limit in Sweden because there is immunity in the population. All our experience with measles and other diseases shows that … we know that with large immunity in the population it is much easier to control the outbreaks than if you don’t have immunity in the population.

“There is now a number of countries in Europe that have a fairly low level of spread for a very long time, which is very unusual with a disease that seems to be so contagious, and where there is so little immunity in the population. If that is really a sustainable way for the disease to exist we will wait and see — I think the fall will show if it is possible or not.”

The eyes of the world have been on him for the past few months. How would he like to be judged, and when?

“It is better to have a more complete discussion around this in say 12 months, after next summer, then I think we can more fairly judge what has been good in some countries and bad in other countries.”

He has promised to talk to us again at that time. 23rd July 2021 – it’s in the diary.

https://unherd.com/2020/07/swedens-anders-tegnell-judge-me-in-a-year/

 

[St. Phatty]

So, the short version, 4 days premature (first heard about it Tuesday, would normally wait till Tuesday July 28 before repeating)

It is not Hyperbole to refer to Covid19 as, an Airborne Version of AIDS.

details in Dr. Campbell's webcast @
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDd7ixh184

between 7:00 & 9:00.

Right before he refers to Covid19 as a "Scaliwag", he explains why he calls it that.

If you want to understand Covid19, do a web search for,
"what happens when people with AIDS get the common flu"

and you will have some understanding of the 2020-2021 flu season.

 

[Medfinder]

Coronavirus Cases:
15,719,959
view by country
Deaths:
637,649
Recovered:
9,590,367
ACTIVE CASES
5,491,943
Currently Infected Patients
5,425,716 (99%)
in Mild Condition

66,227 (1%)
Serious or Critical

Show Statistics
CLOSED CASES
10,228,016
Cases which had an outcome:
9,590,367 (94%)
Recovered / Discharged

637,649 (6%)
Deaths

 

[Medfinder]

Today.. the complex manager has tested.. for covid 19..

His son is an first responder...

He is the sickest in years..



[YOUTUBEIF]RDrfE9I8_hs[/YOUTUBEIF]

 

[Jellyfish]

So, the shit is real? Seriously though, that sucks!

 

[armedoldhippy]

So, the shit is real? Seriously though, that sucks!

yeah, it's real. i'm in temporary quarantine while waiting on test results. our cases here locally jumped from 14 on average daily one week, to 30 odd the next, and nearly a 100 yesterday. but dipshits still think it is a hoax...

 

[aridbud]

yeah, it's real. i'm in temporary quarantine while waiting on test results. our cases here locally jumped from 14 on average daily one week, to 30 odd the next, and nearly a 100 yesterday. but dipshits still think it is a hoax...

No hoax. C-19 rampaging now. Hope it turns out ok for you (quarantine/isolation).

 

[aridbud]

Originally Posted by shaggyballs View Post
How about do your own research for a change.

BTW

Zach Galifianakis is this nations hero/

Vote for ron white! ya cant fix stu-

no reasonable research done dude.

That great!!! -pid....finished the thought.

Meanwhile, huge increase today, ever increasing. The U.S. has surpassed 4 million confirmed cases and has more than 144,000 deaths, according to John Hopkins University data. Worldwide cases have surpassed 15 million with more than 633,000 deaths.

 

[Klompen]

yeah, it's real. i'm in temporary quarantine while waiting on test results. our cases here locally jumped from 14 on average daily one week, to 30 odd the next, and nearly a 100 yesterday. but dipshits still think it is a hoax...

Stay safe brother! Be sure to mask up especially during flu season. This year is not lining up well. I don't think we've seen anywhere near the full complications of this virus outbreak.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Originally Posted by shaggyballs View Post
How about do your own research for a change.

BTW

Zach Galifianakis is this nations hero/

Vote for ron white! ya cant fix stu-



That great!!! -pid....finished the thought.

Meanwhile, huge increase today, ever increasing. The U.S. has surpassed 4 million confirmed cases and has more than 144,000 deaths, according to John Hopkins University data. Worldwide cases have surpassed 15 million with more than 633,000 deaths.

And that only since a few months now.On March 2th there were only 90.284 cases and 3085 confirmed deaths.

 

[Medfinder]

So, the shit is real? Seriously though, that sucks!

5 days sick.. complex manger ..wife is getting treatment for cancer.

now coronavirus is 67 feet away from me.

 

[Medfinder]

Coronavirus Cases:
16,005,319
view by country
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Deaths:
643,872
Recovered:
9,791,281
ACTIVE CASES
5,570,166
Currently Infected Patients
5,503,916 (99%)
in Mild Condition
66,250 (1%)
Serious or Critical
CLOSED CASES
10,435,153
Cases which had an outcome:
9,791,281 (94%)
Recovered / Discharged

643,872 (6%)
Deaths

 

[Swamp Thang]

5 days sick.. complex manger ..wife is getting treatment for cancer.

now coronavirus is 67 feet away from me.

Now that is a scary situation. I'd presumed most weed growers lived way out in the sticks where even masks would be optional since they rarely get within 20 feet of anyone else.

Stay safe Medfinder. With your close monitoring of the danger, your odds of keeping clear of infection are probably a lot better than they are for the average person out there who might still remain in denial about the scale of what is unfolding word-wide right now.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Old cough tablet reduces corona death

A sixty-year-old expectorant available without a prescription at the pharmacy or drugstore has been found to work surprisingly well in seriously ill corona patients. The substance, bromhexine, ensures less mortality, fewer IC admissions and less intubation (ventilation).

It discovered researchers at Iran University of Medical Sciences in Tabriz. They recently published the results in their university magazine BioImpacts.

In a randomized clinical trial, the gold standard for medical research, 78 participants were randomly divided into two equal groups. One group received bromhexine - 8 milligrams three times a day - for two weeks in combination with the regular treatment, the other group received only the latter.

Four weeks after hospital admission, five patients had died in the control group, eleven patients had to be placed in intensive care and nine patients had to be given ventilation. In contrast, no one in the group receiving bromhexine died, only two had to be included on the IC and only one needed mechanical ventilation.

Cough

In addition, the bromhexine group two weeks after admission had significantly less breathlessness (3 percent versus 48 percent in the control group), cough (7 percent versus 40 percent) and lethargy (7 percent versus 35 percent). However, there was no difference in the length of stay: both groups were hospitalized for an average of eight days after the start of treatment.

No unpleasant side effects of the drug were noted.

The authors of the paper conclude that timely oral administration of bromhexine reduces mortality from covid-19 and provides a milder course of disease. "Bromhexine is a very cheap, safe and freely available drug in most countries that can be easily dispensed in remote and underdeveloped areas. Despite the relatively small number of subjects and experience with the drug at only one research center, our results are very encouraging. ” The authors do indicate that confirmation by larger clinical studies is needed. "In view of the current pandemic, it could become a game changer with a huge positive impact on both public health and the global economy."

 

[aridbud]

Bromhexine is an expectorant/mucolytic agent. Bromhexine is not available in the United States. It is marketed under the trade name Bisolvon(R) in Germany, England, Belgium, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Australia, and South Africa.

Mucinex in the USA is the go-to over the counter mucolytic, thinning phlegm and opening up airways.