Coming from SILS to Mars Hydro tsw 2000

[Sampas92]

Basically from what iv reading online icmag too, i have indeed root aphids and from what iv seen, i cant do much, nothing will kill them 100%, i could only try to manage the problem and controll the population..
interesting the reports of people using for example chemicals to kill them and they running away from that pot to try and find a new one..
i could use nematodes, but after a bunch of aplications it seems it can only controll the problem, never solve it..

what i think is the most effective is using the fungus beauvaria and nematodes..the nematodes i could get, but the fungus i dont know where to get it so my only 2 options that i can see is nematodes and a really good clean up, or bin the plants, clean everything and start over..
From what iv reading on the root aphid thread here at icmag, i think i have them by some time..maybe the yellowing of the auto in conjuction with the burned curled upwards tips lf too much nutes is because of them?
Its incredible how such a small animal can leave us so hopeless

Peace

 

[PCBuds]

Mine are brown but appart from that they seem root aphids, i see them walking around the floor of my tent, i give them 4 days to have everythinf infested, fuck them

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.
I think you've got root aphids.


Keep soil mites in mind.
They will protect your soil/substrate from invaders including root aphids.

You may be able to source some locally, or even dig some up somewhere.
(my first soil mites came with my sheep manure compost.)


EDIT: You posted while I was writing this...

 

[Sampas92]

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.
I think you've got root aphids.


Keep soil mites in mind.
They will protect your soil/substrate from invaders including root aphids.

You may be able to source some locally, or even dig some up somewhere.
(my first soil mites came with my sheep manure compost.)


EDIT: You posted while I was writing this...

About the soil mites is something that if i will get it will be for future grows because this girls are doomed..im going to bin the somango and black domina, the ones where i see them, and try to clean everything really good but my hopes are only at 1%, i bet all of them are affected, ones more others less even if they dont show..besides, i dont have the financial means to battle them how it should be done, so now i have a tear in the corner of my eye and just need to forget it

Like always, we fail to learn and do better next time

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

Sad day today..
so i went to check the rootzones of all the girls, even if i knew they were there..
some plants had more than others..the worst were the somango, black domina, jackherer x black domina, the og kush and the mamba negra clone (the pic of the cluster of them having dinner in the root is from that clone).
the red diesel didnt have the same ammount but they were a bunch too..

The 2 kali chinas and the bangi haze were the ones with the least ammount of them visible, between those 3 the indicaish kali china were a bit more affected..

i didnt see the roots of the auto to not disturb more than what those little fuckers do..

I bin all of them besides the ace plants.

While i was killing them i started thinking and trying to pick up when i got them and in reality i dont trully know..
all of them have that brownish appearence in the roots that i saw its that honeydew that they leave on the roots, and if that is a sign of them, than i have them by a long time now..
after searching about them some questions that i had in the past are answered
like seeing what i thought would be gnats flying by some months now but never worried because i covered the ways to the soil and since i didnt see any of them in the soil i thought i was cleared..WRONG they were the flyers of the root aphids..

The brown roots, i have them since the og kush was still a youngster and i never understood why they were with that color..i wasnt overwatering to rot them so why??IT WAS THEM..

When i read the thread here on icmag about them i have all the checkboxes..confuse them with gnats..didnt understand the brown roots and maybe some defficiencys, seeing the signs of them in later veg or flower..

I wonder how many times i have looked at the roots and didnt see them...maybe since i didnt know them or how they look or anhthing related i could be looking at them and not seeing them, a bit like when the remote is right in front of us and we are searching it?

Then when i was about to kill the aces, i thought about the auto..at what time did they catch her?they were always there? I still see white roots in the holes of the pots, in reality all of the girls have a bunch of pretty good looking fuzzy roots, but mixed with the brown..
The auto still flowered, still filing and ripening, maybe slower because of them?i dunno how it is affecting her because i dont have the exoerience to know it, but she is still there, smelling good..

so now, i have the question in my mind, kill the aces and finish the auto, clean everything really good, buy nematodes and start a grow with just autos to limitate the ammount of time of life of them that i hope could delay the comeback of this fuckers?
or
Keep the aces, get the nematodes, bombarding them with them and flower them?

in my mind and from what ive seen online its a hard war to keep the plants even if only 3 and try to win this..but they were pricey, and i dont like to waste money that i dont have, the other ones appart from the red diesel were freebies, so i "dont mind" losing them, and bro, sorry for the loss of the red diesel, it was not the end i wanted to give to your gift.

Going to search how to mske it impossible to reach the rootzone like with the gnats for the next grows dont go sideways, at least in this department..

I need to think about this in the next couple of days..

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

So..i was searching for solutions for the root aphids..
since i cant for now invest in anything, i tried to search something without spending money..
i saw some people talking about the temps at what they live etc and i remember something, ice waterings..
some years ago it was a trend to give the girls the last waterings ice cold, or even puting some ice cubes directly in the pot to promote the fading, stress response and more resin etc etc whatever..

the point is, will they survive to an ice freezing watering?

the girls in the 2l pots get 300ml of water every day at the end of the light cicle, that way i have a mix of thick roots and a bunch of fuzzy ones..
yesterday i gave them the first ice bath..they didnt seem to care honestly, i didnt see any huge response to it..

I continued to search online and i saw some people spraying nematodes, aka the borg with dish soap because the soap doesnt let them breath..root aphids are not the same, but i thought "well i can try it..i dont have anything to lose that isnt already lost"..the thing is spraying root aphids is fucked up because the obvious reason, they are in the soil!!

but i can take the plants off the smaller pots no problem..
so i prepared a batch of water, dish soap and also a bit of vinegar and when i went to do the job i noticed something, they were kinda less of them walking around.

In the last days i could see clearly a bunch of them walking around the pots plates and floor of the tent, of all sizes, small medium and bigger ones, today just a few of the smaller ones..i went to inspect the plates and sure enough they were less the ones walking around were just a few..

I cleaned the tent the best i could and the room where is it and went to spray the roots.

I didnt take pics, but in reality i couldnt see any of them in the roots, but i saw a bunch of them in the perlite zone, dead..completely dry and black, a bunch of them in the 3 girls remaining besides the auto..

maybe the ice watering helped in any way? I mean the water was really cold..

I sprayed all the soil in every spot, the pots, the plates, even the floor of the tent, i saw online that whatever we choose to fight them, we need to do it for a good long time because of their life cicles, so everyday i will give ice waterings and spray the roots..i wonder if i should water also with a bit of dish soap..i guess what is too much is harmfull too..i think i will spray every 2 days and ice waterings every day..

The auto since i dont want to disturb the roots i just spayed the bottom of the pot, plate and since she is pn top of a box, i ducttape the box in a way to do the same effect of the sticky yellow things, but for the aphids dont be able to walk down of her..

Regarding the ones with wings, i cant do shit unfortanly and regarding what im doing i dont have any hope, but i dont lose anything either..


At least my clones are still green and healthy, they look like the day i cut them, all of them, the light seems great for this, the only downside is the water at 22c wich i think is a bit cold, i think it would be better at 23/24, but for now i cant do nothing regarding that

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

And some pics of the girls
the auto is finishing, some purple colors in the upper leafs, some white pistils but they seem the last, lacking nutes at a huge degree, the yellow leafs dont get put easely so i let them there, for now..

the sativish china dont have more withe tips of the leafs and dont show lack of anything for now, no new spots or fadings that i can see

The indica one is showing brown spots and some discoloration what is a sign of them in the roots

My bangi is showing white tips and lack of nitrogen on the lower leafs, no spots in them, i think i will restart giving her biogrow again..

I think they could be worse.

Peace

 

[gizmo666]

your doing an amazing job sampas
reap the rewards soon

 

[f-e]

I would give them a watering with neem. About a T-spoon per liter. You will want hot water and some soap to dissolve the neem before making up to to 1L. I got it from the local super-store where it's sold as a hair product I think. It's beauty isle stuff. A health store will charge more.
Not a lot will survive a neem drench. Spray a bit about to. You would be better to use this grow to prove they have gone, then put another grow in, to find the colony reestablishing itself. If you have them in a week still, then move to garden center stuff for ornamental plants. Use these plants to group the bugs where you can kill them. Like living insect traps. So think systemic and roses.

 

[Sampas92]

Thanks gizmo666 , we live and learn


Its so cool to feel the stems of the plants really cold after the freeze watering..
also the pot of the auto is still pretty cold from last night, i feel the soil cold and i got a response from her, some leafs starting to go funky on the bad side..
i have a single 14w 4k siled that i use to inspect the girls, no signs of pm or mold, not stranges colors, furrs, spots that i could see between the buds, btw the pics look much better under the single bulb, this is how she really looks and yes, i removed 3 branches, you know

The sadness of my bangi after the watering and 45mnts into sleep mode

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

I would give them a watering with neem. About a T-spoon per liter. You will want hot water and some soap to dissolve the neem before making up to to 1L. I got it from the local super-store where it's sold as a hair product I think. It's beauty isle stuff. A health store will charge more.
Not a lot will survive a neem drench. Spray a bit about to. You would be better to use this grow to prove they have gone, then put another grow in, to find the colony reestablishing itself. If you have them in a week still, then move to garden center stuff for ornamental plants. Use these plants to group the bugs where you can kill them. Like living insect traps. So think systemic and roses.

thanks bro, i will get the neem monday morning since i cant do it early..
its not my first rodeo with neem, i shouldnt let it finish in stock, well i guess i need to pay for the mistakes along the road.
I see it, luring them to treat them good, im going to battle them but i feel its a lost war in medium long term if i dont break the grow for 2 weeks to a month.

i inspected the roots again, slowly, incredible enough i just see 2 tinys fuckers, but i know more will hatch and there must be others that i didnt see, a bunch of them are dead and black dry..
from what iv read in good conditions they can reproduce at 1.5 days..the eggs survive up to -45c, so winter for them is easy and the freeze waterings too..but maybe i can gain time in how fast they hatch with the low temps in the soils even if the air temp is around 25/26c..
the soap thing may be stupid but....

or maybe is just wasted time but i couldnt stand still watching the fuckers walking around.
one thing i notice, they run away from cinnamon
Going to try peroxide too until monday when i get the neem..

the problem is not only where they live but how they expand too, those fucking flys and they go on the floor if the tent too..these fuckers were the torment of some people from what iv read, but then again, everything with a pinch of salt.

I talk a lot

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

Yesterday i removed all the leafs that would come off on the easy side for the few days that remain for her..another day and after inspection, no signs of mold or pm anywhere i can see..

just out of curiosity i decided to pop the 7 seeds i got from my cross between the red diesel auto reg and the skunk photo fem
i got not much expectations for 3 of the seeds since they were whitish..2 days ago they spent 24h in a cup of water, went to the pot and two days after sitting in the warmth of my light, i got 2 new borns from the 4 i seeded, the other 3 were dead inside.
They will not have a pleasent life, and they are not to "grow", and its stupid to pop seeds when i got an infestation and bin a bunch of plants because of it but, they are only to test if i did any viable seed and test the light as a heating mat to germ seeds besides that, lets welcome the 2 new borns

On the now daily root inspection and remain surroudings, i clearly see a reduction on the population of the root aphids, not in winged form since all of those are in my flowering auto..i say reduction because today i only saw 1 fucker alive on the indica china..
even if there are ones that i dont see, the population indeed decrease around the 90% since i dont see them walking around anywhere in the pots, plates and floor of the tent.

i saw an improvement on the ice watering in the first day, the second one besides the ice watering i spend that day spraying the roots with the dish wash soap/water..
yesterday i didnt water at all any of the 3, but i sprayed the roots with peroxide, its at 10%, i did 10ml of peroxide to 500ml of water, i hope it isnt too strong (?).
The day cicle of today started now, at half of the cicle i will inspect the roots to see if the peroxide did any worst to how they present themselves, for now at this exact moment i didnt see any new reaction from the girls to it in burns in the foliage or something odd..

My indica china is the one that progressed in for the bad side of things, and this reaction is the continuation of those tiny brown rust spots that i showed some posts earlier and happened after the dish soap water spray, maybe i can remove that and the few leafs that are like that since they are diying, i guess?

The ice waterings helped but in the end i feel the dish soap had a positive outcome, at least for now since they will continue to born, and i need to track that the best i can to break their reproduction cicle..i think the neem drench proposed by f-e will be the major k-o in a couple of weeks and on a more relaxed way without puting my girls with cold feet, but at least i gain some time until i buy the neem

Peace

 

[Mars Hydro Led]

Nice bud shots. It is close to harvest time. How many grams you would expect from them?

 

[Sampas92]

Nice bud shots. It is close to harvest time. How many grams you would expect from them?

Thanks bro, at least something good to see between all the bad

Since its an Auto in a 5 L pot and im not the best grower, hell even not average maybe, i think she would reward me with 30/40gr..since i already removed a branch here and there to try her since im dry also, i think its going to be 10/15gr..

I didnt grow enough plants to get experience in saying how much she can give me, but from what i already did, is around that..

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

So yesterday i did some things..
first i did my first banana and apple ash, half an hour in the oven and its done, pretty quick pretty easy, low cost it was not since i turned the oven on just to do the ashes, but i will do further more when cooking food for economics..

I also managed the improve the temps in the cloning water using the heating cable between between 2 thick styrofoam boards, and 2 cables directly under the thuperware..the cable is controled by the hygrometer that controls the tent and even if the probe is in the tent, the temp in the water doesnt increase that much, but i need to keep a vlose eye on colder days since the heater of the tent works hard and the cable may not need to work that hard, but removing the 2 cables under the tuperware solves that. Yesterday they made a weak they are there so i changed the water, no root signs, but im not in a rush, still, the same as the day i cut them, well i think the new growth is a bit on the more pale side, but i dont see any changes in all of the cuts but im thinking on raiding the light to see if they change in any way

The ladys that are in a war have the look of just that, war.
yesterday i didnt give them the ice water, i just gave them 100ml of water with peroxide and today i saw a few new white thick healthy roots here and there in all of them, so they are going in the right track and i feel im too. The cold waterings and the dish soap spray reduced the population drastically giving me time.
the peroxide yesterday also worked really good because today i didnt see any of them alive and i saw new root formation.. today i bought neem and later im going to drench them and im quiting the ice cold waterings to promote better environment for the remaining eggs to hatch to kill them all before they lay more eggs, i need to be patient and try to manage feeding with killing

the sativish china

The indica one

The bangi

i cleaned the plates yesterday after the small watering with peroxide to see if today i would see anybody walking around and for my happiness, the plates were like i leave them last night, clean

Regarding my flowering girl, is just a matter of few days for her to ripe a bit more and gamble with mold even if the rh as been low..pistils all most brown, just the new ones that pop here and there but she isnt fading a lot so she is not producing, just maturing i think..the trichs are a mix of milky and clear but a lot of them are clear so i think a few more carefull days will be good for her, also after the daily inspection, i didnt find any mold or pm.

Peace

 

[Mars Hydro Led]

Thanks bro, at least something good to see between all the bad

Since its an Auto in a 5 L pot and im not the best grower, hell even not average maybe, i think she would reward me with 30/40gr..since i already removed a branch here and there to try her since im dry also, i think its going to be 10/15gr..

I didnt grow enough plants to get experience in saying how much she can give me, but from what i already did, is around that..

Peace

Keeping the passion is more important.

 

[Sampas92]

I harvested my Acid Kush Auto today..the soil was dryish, the roots everywhere, but they were brown in the bottom due the aphids..i washed the buds with water and peroxide to remove the dead flying fuckerd and they are now in front of a fan drying to start the normal dry stage.. a very pleasent fruity/peachy sweet smell, skunky too, but is secondary and i think i sometimes feel a fresh smell in the background that i cant say what it is..no pm, no mold, hope the it continues that way until i jarred them..
i wanted to harvest them in a few days but the weather changed due to a storm and i didnt want to risk it with the high rh, she looked ready so...

The other 3 girls..well i dropped the light power to around 40% and maintain it at the same heigth to not push them so hard until i solve the root aphids problem..
regarding those fuckers, i still see them in the plate of the sativish china and the bangi..but really really small, alive, but they are not roaming around..when they were in large numbers i never see them so tiny in the plate, i guess the neem did fucked up them and they get out of the soil, maybe they didnt lay any eggs since so tiny?
either way i think i need to flush them, the ph of the soil must be all wacked and then finish with a mix of neem and a light dose of nutes, cleaning all the soap of the soil finishing with a good ph'd mix to see if they recover a bit even if they are some left around..
i also tought of removing some soil and add new one to help, like when treating a bonsai mom for example..i even put on the table cleaning all the soil of the rootball and pot again with fresh new soil since they are only in 2 liter pots, any opinions?
some pics of the sadness

The new comers are didnt like the ph of the last watering but they are growing everyday, dont really care about them either way

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

So i kinda solve the root aphids problem and why?
because i have ROOTS!!!HEALTHY WHITE ROOTS
explaining...
since the storm arrived naturally the rh rise alot, on 80% mark, so i went to check my clones since i raised the light by 15cm because of that paleness that i was seeing and wich diminish a bit after raising the light wich i noticed in the end of the next day after rising it.. since i dont have the best ventilation in that cab and since rh is spiking i got some brown on the leafs of the cuts, too much humidity and lack of air circulation so i added a small usb pc fan right on top of them

when i was checking the brown in them i saw ROOTS!
one cut of one of each chinas, one from the bangi, and all of the somango show roots.

13 days in water, not a lot but also not so quick, but, the plus is they can be there for quite some time..
some pics of the roots, the girls more darker and the brown..

Now is the sad part.
one of the solutions for the RA that i saw in some web pages was stop growing and having plants, for a period of 2 weeks to a month, since they dont have roots to feed, they desapear, the thing is that is a drastic, extreme and stupid decision when we can battle them and win them.

my problem with that is that it cost money..a lot or just a few bucks, but its money and, since when i started growing i try to buy the most indespensable and after thinking a lot and hearing opinions before i do it.

lets face it, for the ones that have the mean$ to war them, stop growing is stupid, but for someone like me it can be kind of a good solution BECAUSE for now i have sucessful rooted clones (for now).

My thinking is, buying mites to kill them, and maybe some nematodes, maybe a bit of a fungus that kills the RA too, or continue to drench them in neem, and spending nutes and electricity on getting the girls better, recovering them and getting them back on track, all of that cost money, and the most valuable thing, time and this one you cant buy it.
so i will use the money and time to buy PREVENTION, to start fresh with cuts.
instead of wainting 2 weeks to a month without plants, im thinking of cleaning the tent and the room every day to speed up the process to 1~2 weeks.
getting more cuts from the girls instead of bining them all to preserve.

Some pics, wich they are not remotely close to what they look in real life, much more vibrant in the pics.

now i understand why IPM is so important, and how "hard" and costly is just to maintain a mom..clean space, foliars, bio controls, even cinnamon, a thing that you get everywhere and nobody ever will think is to repel insects..
i didnt tell this before i think, in the beggining of this RA problem and just saw them in 2 plants plates, on wich i added powder cinnamon on the plates and let the plants on top of it and that, was when i started to roam around the floor of the tent big time wich helped to contaminate, or worsen the thing since the others probably already were too, but just after that i started seeing them in the other plates too..
im rambling

Just a nose report of the drying buds, a sweet fruity peachy lovely smell with a bit of skunky that i recognize from the skunk i growed and something fresh that every so often pops up fpr a brief moment that i cant figure what is it.. regarding mold or pm i dont see shit, i see some bursted trichs wich could be from the washing or just to much wind form the fan wich isnt directly at them anymore since they are not wet anymore, the rh where they are curing is on the higher side, but i cant do any better besides giving the best air circulation that the buds can handle, everything is wet!!

Its it, im just now facing what i need to do, and the fastest the better, because time.

peace

 

[Sampas92]

So yesterday i was thinking on binning a cut them to clones and today they seem a tad more perkier..
nothing much, but also the texture of the leafs is a bit different, not so sandy (lack of better words)
maybe the flush 2 days ago and the less light power is helping them..
I dont know what to do now, to clone them and wait or see if they get by but i need to decide fast

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

Update on the 3 girls, yes still here

So, yesterday i restarted giving them just 15% of total volume of the pot in water, 300ml, with neem and peroxide mixed with the nutes also, today i did the same.

what do i see?
Well, my yunnan kali seems the most in better mood, yesterday and today also, the tops where perky, the color of her and general appearence seems a bit better, also i didnt see RA on her plate and roots, dead or alive.
Some new white healthy fuzzy roots here and there but the brown ones dont seem to become better, im thinking of treat her rootmass like a bonsai mom, discarding old soil and add new one and prune her if i dont see any RA in her in at least for 3/4 days in a row hoping that any eggs that was layered already hatched and found death, again, hoping, just to not discard her in clones like i was thinking.

the other 2 are similar, they are more perky but not like the other.
the sativish kali have new white healthy fuzzy roots too, the bangi dont, just brown, no white anywhere.
what they have in common is that for now the RA are still doing what they do best.
Alot of them in both plates, dead and alive, also in the roots, even the new ones. One interesting thing i noticed was, in the beggining of lights on, i didnt see a lot of them alive in the plates, 8 hours later, they were quite a bunch roaming around, slowly and all of them in the smaller side of the size of them.
9 hours later, they were all dark dead, just one here and there.
these 2 girls are probably for clones since i dont see an end for the RA in them unless the continuous neem watering does something

Some pics

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

Buds of the acid kush are jarred, if anyone sees anything that shouldnt be there, say it.

Regarding the other girls, new roots on the bangi are formed, less RA visible in the plate, but still there, in roots also. The new roots in yesterday pics, today show like some bruises in them, didnt take pics.
the yunnan kali still the perkiest one of the 3, no sign of RA in the plate and didnt see them in the roots.
one thing i forgot, after the the flushing and restarting feeding an neem everyday, its harder to take off the leafs pulling them down on the sativish kali, before it was easy, now they seem much stronger and just a push doesnt take them off, the bangi on this aspect remains weak, the yunnan kali seems a bit better than before also.

I dont have much hope regarding fighting the RA with neem. Iv been using the neem from prot eco, 3ml/l, the max described in the label, 4 days in a row, and they are still there, in various sizes, today i even saw one with wings again in the bangi plate, wich suggests the population is big, so i think i will make them clones, bin the soil, shut off and start again in 2 weeks, even the perky yunnan kali.

Peace