Colorado Growers Thread

[Ganoderma]

I haven't seen a lot of public officials attacking people with children over Cannabis use, usually when I hear about it happening here in CO it's an Ex or a relative trying to use their Cannabis use against them.

The Courts (And Federal level) can still be biased when it comes to THC. You can have a couple, one smokes pot and the other partner drinks. The partner who drinks (she) starts to become abusive when drunk, this results in the couple splitting up and the courts get involved because they had a child together. The partner who was drinking raises the issue the the other partner has a substance problem too because that partner smokes pot resulting in that partner having to stop smoking pot and having to do drug tests on a regular basis to be able to have primary custody of the child.

Then if you have a state MMJ card and smoke, that is a strike against you if trying to get SSDI.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Jane Medicals was a totally corrupt organization, that's why EVERYONE got charged.

CAM recently had a huge issue because their license turned out to be falsified, only the owner is facing charges as of now.

The CO model isn't perfect but right now it's the best example we have, and the proof is in the lack of Federal harassment on the level that places like California receive, we're worried about banking and your average Cali club can still be raided if the local DEA head needs a promotion.

 

[jewcebox]

well thats alot of pages.

another grower here.

fuck this rain.

 

[MrTea]

I'm all about this rain. I ran out of. Rain water a week ago

 

[MrTea]

What I'm not about is this heat. 95° is giving me a lot of problems.

 

[Ganoderma]

only regulated market in the world? is the system in amsterdam entirely unregulated?
once again, i'm not against regulating the industry, just don't really like the way CO has done it so far.
imo

Well, there are some issues there. The NL is tolerance with Cannabis, it's not "legal". Over the years they have tightened that tolerance like a noose. The big seed companies used to be able to grow huge numbers of plants as long as they where something like 70% seeded. as time went on the Dutch Gov restricted their numbers of plants (perhaps this could explain how some seed bank's commercial marketed strains declined from what they used to be) that they could grow at a time. People still get popped all the time time for growing in the NL. The Coffee shops rules they have to fallow rule too, but the people who grew what that weed can still be popped for growing which is illegal. The coffee shops sell hash that has been smuggled in, including compressed seeded "swag" too. Last time I knew the coffee shops could only have 500 grams of product on site.

In a way, Colorado is now more legal/tolerant now then what the NL is, IN A WAY that is.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Well, there are some issues there. The NL is tolerance with Cannabis, it's not "legal". Over the years they have tightened that tolerance like a noose. The big seed companies used to be able to grow huge numbers of plants as long as they where something like 70% seeded. as time went on the Dutch Gov restricted their numbers of plants (perhaps this could explain how some seed bank's commercial marketed strains declined from what they used to be) that they could grow at a time. People still get popped all the time time for growing in the NL. The Coffee shops rules they have to fallow rule too, but the people who grew what that weed can still be popped for growing which is illegal. The coffee shops sell hash that has been smuggled in, including compressed seeded "swag" too. Last time I knew the coffee shops could only have 500 grams of product on site.

In a way, Colorado is now more legal/tolerant now then what the NL is, IN A WAY that is.

Sounds like they are very similar..... def can't say colorado is alone in being a regulated market.... gotta think that 1284 passed in 2010, the changes in industry rules have changed more (quicker) in colorado in5 years than anywhere else. "like a noose" as you said perfectly describes how Co has done it, imo.

 

[jewcebox]

i dont hate rain but like the humidity is rediculous most days

 

[Ganoderma]

They used to sell edibles in the NL too, they called them Space cakes. It was a chocolate cake made with hash. The Dutch ended up banning the sale of them, the last that I heard. Issues with people over eating them.

 

[MrTea]

i dont hate rain but like the humidity is rediculous most days

20% humidity is ridiclous?

 

[Jhhnn]

20% humidity is ridiclous?

Maybe where you live. It's 57% RH in Denver as I type. It's been exceptionally humid around here.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, there are some issues there. The NL is tolerance with Cannabis, it's not "legal". Over the years they have tightened that tolerance like a noose. The big seed companies used to be able to grow huge numbers of plants as long as they where something like 70% seeded. as time went on the Dutch Gov restricted their numbers of plants (perhaps this could explain how some seed bank's commercial marketed strains declined from what they used to be) that they could grow at a time. People still get popped all the time time for growing in the NL. The Coffee shops rules they have to fallow rule too, but the people who grew what that weed can still be popped for growing which is illegal. The coffee shops sell hash that has been smuggled in, including compressed seeded "swag" too. Last time I knew the coffee shops could only have 500 grams of product on site.

In a way, Colorado is now more legal/tolerant now then what the NL is, IN A WAY that is.

Never been to NL, but I'll take your word for it.

You're correct about CO, for sure. There are 3 constitutional ways for cannabis to get from seed to consumers- as MMJ, as retail, and as personal growing.

One of our problems, I think, is that small growers have been left behind because of the high price of entry into the retail market. The legislature seems to have wood for traditional MMJ caregiver growers, but they can really only take that just so far. The little guy can still make some legal cash, if not like before.

If anything, A64 has made growing safer for everybody, even those who don't play by the rules at all.

Paraphernalia? Legal. The smell of cannabis & cannabis smoke? Legal. Possession limits? Not for personal growers in their own home. Paperwork? For what I do, I don't need any. Paranoia? None whatsoever.

 

[SooperSmurph]

https://www.facebook.com/WanksyRoadArtist

We need this guy to come to Denver, there are three separate potholes within 1 block of my house that will scrape the tits right off your car.

 

[Seaf0ur]

I've thought of getting a bag or three of pea gravel to hit some of the holes in places I often travel.... I've had to before...

 

[Avinash.miles]

The smell of cannabis & cannabis smoke? Legal.

well..... legal BUT
smell of cannabis / cannabis smoke is still grounds for a search warrant.... that's the equivalent of smelling like a beer and that being grounds for searching your home for a distillery or bootlegging op.

 

[Jhhnn]

well..... legal BUT
smell of cannabis / cannabis smoke is still grounds for a search warrant.... that's the equivalent of smelling like a beer and that being grounds for searching your home for a distillery or bootlegging op.

Dunno for sure, Miles, maybe if your grow is reeking out the neighborhood & if they have other reasons as well.

Play out the scenario-

Cops: We want a warrant to search this house because we smelled marijuana smoke.

Judge: I can't base a search warrant on a legal activity. You'll need more than that.

In your car or in the park is a whole different story, for sure.

I think that Denver cops, anyway, are very cognizant of the fact that they can easily embarrass themselves & leave the City open to lawsuits, particularly using old school drug raid tactics.

Yeh, sure, I've always wanted a place in Aspen but I don't think they're ready to give me one that way.

 

[Avinash.miles]

trust me, it doesn't even take reeking out the neighborhood, it's more about WHAT neighborhood to begin with.
aurora for example (where i had my bad exp, same with irock 2 times now, and many many others over the past couple years) executes search warrants based solely on smell.
in my case a "code enforcement" minion (not a "cop" looking guy at all) came by because the place we rented was recently purchased by our landlord and the code guy came right up to the door, and knocked, someone answered, spoke with him. obviously the smell was that of SMOKE not of growing plants (the garden was only week 3.5ish so it certainly wasn't reeking out the neighborhood).

sure i see your "scenario" playing out that way in a place that has no will to prosecute... but when a DA decides to go after cases like this (usually banking that people will take plea bargains and pay the case away rather than taking it to jury trial) watch the hell out.
to my knowledge there has not been a case yet / decision based on smell as grounds for the warrant, and until there is a precedent set (assuming one hasn't been yet), the possibility exists in CO.

 

[Jhhnn]

trust me, it doesn't even take reeking out the neighborhood, it's more about WHAT neighborhood to begin with.
aurora for example (where i had my bad exp, same with irock 2 times now, and many many others over the past couple years) executes search warrants based solely on smell.
in my case a "code enforcement" minion (not a "cop" looking guy at all) came by because the place we rented was recently purchased by our landlord and the code guy came right up to the door, and knocked, someone answered, spoke with him. obviously the smell was that of SMOKE not of growing plants (the garden was only week 3.5ish so it certainly wasn't reeking out the neighborhood).

sure i see your "scenario" playing out that way in a place that has no will to prosecute... but when a DA decides to go after cases like this (usually banking that people will take plea bargains and pay the case away rather than taking it to jury trial) watch the hell out.
to my knowledge there has not been a case yet / decision based on smell as grounds for the warrant, and until there is a precedent set (assuming one hasn't been yet), the possibility exists in CO.

Did they actually execute a warrant or did somebody let them in?

 

[Avinash.miles]

the warrant they had didn't allow them to "kick in the door", they knocked and since someone answered the door the warrant allowed them entry. same as has happened to many others in aurora over the past 18+ months

 

[Irock Watts]

It happens....glad I'm far away from aurora now lol