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OneStonedPony
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I looked it over and it seems pretty cool to me. I'm actually shocked the government spent money on something I like.
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SooperSmurph
Because yet again non-users and biased scientific research is being used to artificially impose procedures on the industry that aren't needed.
Not only that, charging us by the mg of cannabinoids present is simply impossible in a product with so much inherent variation, some flowers are more potent than others, even on the same plant, it looks like this will give Kind Love and others an excuse to charge $60/8th for "Maximum Dose" flowers.
Um, perhaps this is why We (some of us) should start to get into the political game. While those who are in power/government are hold overs from before cannabis was legal for Med and Rec, most of them are against or not for legal cannabis, so they are working against us.
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Nope, ask the rest of the website, being involved with enforcement makes you a snitch, apparently despite laws and progress the majority of the cannabis community still prefers pretending they're gangsters who handle all their problems with their own hands and "connections".
Remember the thread where they advised a 40 year old mother of two to go find people to beat her boss up to get her back wages instead of reporting his illegal commercial grow?
Nobody who espouses that opinion should be in politics, or even voting, people like that need to stay amongst other people who believe in violence so they can all handle the violence amongst themselves.
Don't remember seeing a thread about A single mother.
At what point does a snitch become a whistle blower? Remember Edward Snowden?
Where does your water come from (in Colorado) that you use to water your cannabis plants? Most likely your water comes from one of the many rivers that run across the state, or from a well. Those wells could be feed from the same water shed as those rivers and streams. A lot of those streams and rivers start out in area's where there were mines from the "gold rush mining era", most of those mines have long since been abandoned. They tend to leak water that can have high levels of heavy metals from the water leaching it out of the rocks that it has drained from. What if one of these mines filled up with several million gallons of water and what ever is holding all that water in place is breached. All of that water which also contains sludge drains out and empties into a rivers watershed, but it doesn't stop there. It continues to flow from one river into another and another. Just imagine if one of those rivers ran through Denver, Colorado Spring, Pueblo, Boulder or any large city. The water becomes hundreds or thousands of times past what levels are considered toxic. What if you draw water from that river or stream to water your cannabis plants, not to mention livestock or pets?
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Just before I had the thread closed I treated the kids to the fact that they were wishing violence on a middle aged woman, not me, all of a sudden it got quiet, then the thread was deleted.
Avi; Ref your springtime BV lettuce post.....
I heard that they used to grow LOTS of lettuce in Nathrop, as well. Years ago.
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Has anyone heard of any legal/child custody problems. with regard to new mothers delivering in a hospital in Colo... or Denver? Have a 'friend' whose Dr. mentioned that she had, had a patient in another state who had to fight to retain custody (after the 'hospital' did a blood test for THC at time of delivery).....????
I haven't heard of any problems,,, and didn't see any threads listed in the 'Co' legal forum.
I'm hoping that this is not a problem here in Colorado.
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I heard that they used to grow LOTS of lettuce in Nathrop, as well. Years ago.
Thread Hijack in progress;;;;;;
Has anyone heard of any legal/child custody problems. with regard to new mothers delivering in a hospital in Colo... or Denver? Have a 'friend' whose Dr. mentioned that she had, had a patient in another state who had to fight to retain custody (after the 'hospital' did a blood test for THC at time of delivery).....????
I haven't heard of any problems,,, and didn't see any threads listed in the 'Co' legal forum.
I'm hoping that this is not a problem here in Colorado.
thx
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SooperSmurph
Summer heat around here man, people get all cooked and need to rest, like roast beef, sit on the marble counter for 5 mins before carving a piece off, comes out jucier.
Anyway...
I haven't seen a lot of public officials attacking people with children over Cannabis use, usually when I hear about it happening here in CO it's an Ex or a relative trying to use their Cannabis use against them.
New camera soon, two gone within a year, i'm probably not to be trusted with anyone's good camera equipment, ever.
Luckily Amazon Prime has been loving me lately, anyone else been getting awesome deals? I recently got a 10 pack of those ZeroWater filters for $4 a filter, was stoked. On that note, any Amazon camera recommendations from you guys? Obviously the purpose would be normal and macro flower shots
All my outdoor friends have such nice plants this season, i'm jealous now, but i'm hoping that the fall isn't wet like last year, or we'll have another year of outdoor that looks like it came from California, yech.
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I haven't seen a lot of public officials attacking people with children over Cannabis use, usually when I hear about it happening here in CO it's an Ex or a relative trying to use their Cannabis use against them.
New camera soon, two gone within a year, i'm probably not to be trusted with anyone's good camera equipment, ever.
Luckily Amazon Prime has been loving me lately, anyone else been getting awesome deals? I recently got a 10 pack of those ZeroWater filters for $4 a filter, was stoked. On that note, any Amazon camera recommendations from you guys? Obviously the purpose would be normal and macro flower shots
All my outdoor friends have such nice plants this season, i'm jealous now, but i'm hoping that the fall isn't wet like last year, or we'll have another year of outdoor that looks like it came from California, yech.
some nice farms round nathrop still, not much ag in that upper ark valley nowadays tho... just the prison & rafting.
as for the the custody thing in OTHER states, DEF mothers are tested for drugs )without being told( and custody issues can arise right then at birth where the system can take a child.
i dont think this is happening in CO at all... and for a doc to say that is kinda like scare tactics... who knows maybe the woman was planning to give birth out of state, in which case it's a damn good warning.
the system is toxic, see also snitch vs whistleblower.
snitches reveal info that really only benefits themselves, or hurts others.
whistle blowers reveal info that helps more people than themselves, ideally the "masses".
that's my 2 cents
re: buck owens
what's wrong with it?
it's not the info itself, but the intended use... they want to be able to expect yeilds, know how much should be extracted by what methods from various types of plant matters, they want to understand the business to better control it, restrict it, imo. instead of researching the BEST way to use the plant, they want to watch how the industry acts and regulate along the way.... worst part of the game in CO is that the rules keep changin every 6-18 months, each time cutting more and more people out of the industry and consolidating the market share of the "survivors".
plenty of other good cannabis topics out there to "study"....
many of the ideas these groups come up with are ludicris, and YES this study shows the more reasonable side of what comes from gov't groups.
but the damn edible coating... so that all cannabis edible can be readily identified. ludicris imo.
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SooperSmurph
And how blatantly criminal, violent, and flouting of CO laws does someone have to be before reporting them isn't snitching?
Being wronged financially is still being wronged, if they had robbed her, would she still be a snitch? If they had beaten her, would she still be a snitch?
She's a whistle blower, plain and simple, and I hope Alex Cash the wannabe weed mogul at Zen Gardens goes back to the east coast with the rest of the criminals.
duno who exactly u r talking about now, I've never shopped at "zen gardens"... but yes i also wish a bunch of greed-mongering-fucktards would get out of the industry and go home.... sadly much of the industry is comprised of these greedy fuckts, and they ain't going anywhere anytime soon, it seems.
being involved doesn't mean ONLY being invovled in enforcement... there is a lot more to politics, such as showing up at these workgroups and being heard, speaking with legislators ("users" educating the "non users") during the leg. session, organizing rallies for or against certain pieces of legislation.
I'm not even sure what "being involved with enforcement" could possibly mean other than informing authorities about someone elses wrong doing (Mr. Lahey calling the *real* cops on ricky, julian, & bubbles comes immediately to mind for some reason).
I'm not at all saying that people should NEVER inform.
here's another example; alot of people purchase BHO at med/rec shops, take it home & pop what they just bought into the vac oven, and pull ALOT of residual hydrocarbon contaminate out... then contact the store for a return or refund or simply to INFORM the store that they are putting out bad product. the store tells them to kick rocks and shut up, insisting their product is clean.
imo this affects many people, not just the purchaser of bho with the vac oven but ALL Potential customers.
my2cents
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Support badge workers are legally required to report such things, there's no grey area here, the owner of Zen Gardens is a criminal who is operating a fully unlicensed, commercial, warehouse sized MJ grow, he uses other people's licenses to sell his product to dispensaries (most notably Lightshade), he doesn't pay taxes, he uses badged workers and abuses them, he sends all his product out of state, I know you want to label this former worker a snitch because they were wronged, so being wronged means it's impossible for them to be anything but selfishly motivated, but that's just not right, I would have reported this pathetic criminal too, and honestly, if she gives me the address to his grow, i'll prepare a file for the MMED and drop it off in their mail slot.
I still don't see the problem with data sets like this. I mean we all bitch and moan about lack of information in cannabis. Of which there is a good deal. But then, this comes out and its a waste of government $$. come on.... We are the only regulated market in world, with the newer markets gearing up to produce similar data sets.
But if you think that the alcohol industry doesn't have data like this you are sorely misinformed.
Welome to the real world. It's not that scary out here if you give it a chance.
But if you think that the alcohol industry doesn't have data like this you are sorely misinformed.
Welome to the real world. It's not that scary out here if you give it a chance.
i dont want to label anyone anything...
illegal / gray area ops are kinda commonplace even still in CO... and sometimes the resulting charges aren't so much criminal as code violation / compliance, depending upon the situation (license sales pending, location changes pending, patient count).
and YES employees are required to "snitch" on their bosses and bosses are required to report to the state any kind of shady biz that support badgers may do. basically you either inform or become complicit.
i worry that involving the system could backfire and the "wronged employee" may face the same charges/fines as their bosses, because in fact they chose to be complicit UNTIL there was a disagreement / lack of payment. just a worry of mine, that's why my go-to option is to work things out on my own (without violence or any real criminal behavior).
I am not against regulating the industry... i certainly wouldn't do it the way CO has. do i agree w the regulations in place? no, do i know them and inform people about them?
yes,
and more often than not i advice people to think twice and inform themselves about the industry before jumping in head first and getting a support badge and shopping for a job in the cannabiz in colorado.
the state prosecuted that jane medicinals crew all the way from owner down to budtenders for selling weight over the counter....
now shops like potco & buddy boy sell weight over the counter (to people w high plant counts) all damn day with no repercussions so far.
once again it's not the data or the money spent on it that concerns me (and others). it's who is gathering (skewing) the data and using to what ends.
I'm sure the alcohol industry does have data like this, but was it all paid for & published by the state? also it's funny how cannabis gets compared to alcohol, like in a64 "regulate like alcohol"... then the regs for recreational cannabis nearly identically mimic the regs for medical cannabis, and look nothing like those for alcohol. IMHO the board of health should have greater oversight in matters of MEDICAL cannabis, rather than DOR (revenue)... but it's been like that since day one.
that leads to this;
i agree with the above statement. i support getting involved. I'm not at all against research, but like ganoderma said, most of "them" (people making these studies happen) are against true safe legal access, and their intent is to limit access in order to broaden market share of existing "big players". see also: market consolidation
only regulated market in the world? is the system in amsterdam entirely unregulated?
once again, i'm not against regulating the industry, just don't really like the way CO has done it so far.
imo
the medical AND recreational cannabis systems in colorado are good examples of how politicians & the system can ruin even the best of things.
once again, my 2 cents
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