Colorado Growers Thread

[CaliGabe]

I used to be part of a site whose philosophy was to bring about decriminalization and legalization through exactly the "subversive" activities you describe. Teach people to grow, give them some seeds and stand back. It seems to me that it is working.

I think the government has realized they are being 'overgrown'. I noticed a big shift in Cali regarding overflights and enforcement after the 2008 economic 'collapse'. Within 2 years department budgets were slashed and copters went from quite a few to virtually nothing. Busts in the paper became very infrequent. Soon after I saw the amount, and visibility, of gardens in the very conservative county I was in explode.

With CO and WA going recreational it's game over. Obama said canna no worse than alcohol...well alcohol is worse. The House passes a bill saying the Feds won't bother the med system any more.

Public opinion has turned in favor of canna so the government basically figuring how best to deal with it. It'll come down to how they can control the market and maintain tax revenue. Growing canna is like growing tomatoes and impossible to control. With home beer brewing they allow it yet much more difficult than growing canna. I was a home brewer and the government not loosing much allowing people to brew lol.

If the powers to be make the system too strict/expensive they'll only support/create a black market.

 

[ubi]

right on caligabe
when half ur gross goes to taxes. or alil more.
it can fuel a BLACK MARKET!

CAREFUL THERE COLORADO

 

[Jhhnn]

I think the government has realized they are bring 'overgrown'. I noticed a big shift in Cali regarding overflights and enforcement after the 2008 economic 'collapse'. Within 2 years department budgets were slashed and copters went from quite a few to virtually nothing. Busts in the paper became very infrequent. Soon after I saw the amount, and visibility, of gardens in the very conservative county I was in explode.

With CO and WA going recreational it's game over. Obama said canna no worse than alcohol...well alcohol is worse. The House passes a bill saying the Feds won't bother the med system any more.

Public opinion has turned in favor of canna so the government basically figuring how best to deal with it. It'll come down to how they can control the market and maintain tax revenue. Growing canna is like growing tomatoes and impossible to control. With home beer brewing they allow it yet much more difficult than growing canna. I was a home brewer and the government not loosing much allowing people to brew lol.

If the powers to be make the system too strict/expensive they'll only support/create a black market.

Indeed. A64 cut businessmen & govt a piece of the action, for sure, but they have to compete with legal personal growing & the black market to get it. Otherwise, they're just sucking a dry teat. Come October, when retailers can just buy what they sell from growers, expect the price to come down considerably. Their overhead will be like that of a liquor store. Colorado has licensed more growers than can possibly survive, so competition for market share will be intense. Even with taxes, the price should come down far enough to discourage black marketeers. Let's face it- it's only ever been worth the risk because the money was so good.

 

[MrGoodBudz]

I was just thinking earlier today how nice it would be to grow in private yards in CO. I suppose one of the few things Cali growers have that makes me jealous.

 

[Jhhnn]

I was just thinking earlier today how nice it would be to grow in private yards in CO. I suppose one of the few things Cali growers have that makes me jealous.

If outdoor growing is actually illegal in CO, then there must be a statute specifically prohibiting such. Some municipalities have adopted ordinances to that effect, but none have withstood legal scrutiny. It's the same for Denver's 12 plants per household limit, which is unconstitutional on its face. A person's place of residence does not abrogate the constitutional right to grow 6 plants, 3 flowering, as laid out in A64. It's an equal protection issue, and a slap in the face to all the multi-generational households created in the collapse of the Ownership Society.

 

[2 Legal Co]

I was just thinking earlier today how nice it would be to grow in private yards in CO. I suppose one of the few things Cali growers have that makes me jealous.

lol I'm doing my version of backyard growing. Took the roof off an old tin shed, gave it a bit more height and topped it with polycarbonate.

It's going to be full this summer so I expect to see the 'hedge effedt' as a result. But it is still lockable,,,, if you can beleive in a tin shed ever being lockable.... lol.... could be a stretch.

 

[MrTea]

That guy's tin shed be smellin up the neighborhood!

 

[2 Legal Co]

It surely does! Not bad yet however.

1ea Oregon Grape
1ea Jilly Beans
1ea AK47
and last but not least... 1ea White Russian

So yes, It'll be a bit stinky, but fortunately the wind likes to blow up here. lol

It's not intended to be Stealthy...... But you knew that already, as I'm in Colorado.

Strictly 'Recreational', for personal use. No Sales Period.

Zero tolerance for 'Rippers'.

 

[CaliGabe]

Come October, when retailers can just buy what they sell from growers, expect the price to come down considerably.

I'm not up on this. Best I know dispensaries must produce at least 70% of the herb they grown then they can buy from other OPC's. So the growers you're talking about are OPC's? Maybe my terminology is a bit off yet hope I'm close enough. Jeez I can get herb from Cali for $1,000/lb+ all day come harvest time there. Can they buy from me

 

[Ttystikk]

Hey guys, just checking in from Fort Fun- livin' the dream in Legal Colorado!

I don't have room for an outdoor setup right now, so I'm just paying ever more careful attention to the indoor one.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not up on this. Best I know dispensaries must produce at least 70% of the herb they grown then they can buy from other OPC's. So the growers you're talking about are OPC's? Maybe my terminology is a bit off yet hope I'm close enough. Jeez I can get herb from Cali for $1,000/lb+ all day come harvest time there. Can they buy from me

As I offered, the rules change in October. MMJ providers were given the inside track on retail as part of A64, some of the coalition building. On the retail side, providers can be either growers or retailers, or both as of Oct 2014. Neither need be associated with MMJ operations at all.

Product imported to CO remains illegal.

 

[CaliGabe]

As I offered, the rules change in October. MMJ providers were given the inside track on retail as part of A64, some of the coalition building. On the retail side, providers can be either growers or retailers, or both as of Oct 2014. Neither need be associated with MMJ operations at all.

Product imported to CO remains illegal.

With growers you're talking OPC's? I'm a grower yet not an OPC. Sorry I did not keep up with your conversation/input and am not familiar with A64. Thx for the clarification.

 

[Jhhnn]

With growers you're talking OPC's? I'm a grower yet not an OPC. Sorry I did not keep up with your conversation/input and am not familiar with A64. Thx for the clarification.

And I'm not familiar with the OPC acronym. Spell it out.

I follow this stuff from a distance, not being involved in the MMJ or Retail scenes at all. I'm just an old retired hippy, happy to grow his own in peace, very pleased indeed to play a very small role in the destruction of cannabis prohibition.

At this point, few people can even imagine the far reaching consequences of A64. I stand in awe of the intellects who created it and those who put it on the ballot. I'm grateful for the integrity & intelligence of Colorado voters who made it part of the State Constitution. It's a declaration of Peace in the Marijuana War and an acknowledgment of the respect that cannabis users have earned. It's a true healing opportunity for the American People.

People think it's all about the commercial side of it, when that's not really it at all. That just gives businessmen an opportunity & authorities something to control, to regulate, and to tax. It gives people an opportunity to obtain cannabis of known purity in a straightforward & legal manner if that's what they want. At the same time, authoritarians have been forced to abandon control at a much more fundamental level, the level of personal respect & integrity. They just can't fuck with us the same way they always have under prohibition. The legal authority to do so is gone and all the negative life shattering consequences along with it. The constitutional right to grow sets that in stone.

It's still a game in certain respects, but the rules are simple & easy to deal with. It's a whole different headset, with some in the cannabis community apparently having more trouble dealing with it than outsiders, oddly enough. In certain respects, the thrill is gone, the appeal of the outlaw mystique dissipated. It's still there for the asking in the rest of the country, but not for long, I figure.

 

[KiefSweat]

its not going to be until 2016 that they are going to allow individuals to get cultivation licenses and start supplying shops. by then the 70/30 rule will be out the window anyway.

an opc is the cultivation license the state grants, you need to have a dispensary or another license to make infused products to have an opc.

 

[Jhhnn]

its not going to be until 2016 that they are going to allow individuals to get cultivation licenses and start supplying shops. by then the 70/30 rule will be out the window anyway.

an opc is the cultivation license the state grants, you need to have a dispensary or another license to make infused products to have an opc.

From what I've been reading, the 70/30 rule is gone in Oct 2014. I'm not sure about the rest of what you offer. People may need to have the full range of licensure until 2016, as you say. That doesn't mean that growers need to operate retail outlets/ dispensaries or vice versa after that date.

Just because I have a fishing license doesn't mean I have to fish.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Vertical Integration is only being decoupled in the recreational markets. 70-30 will still apply to MMJ.

 

[KiefSweat]

your average grower can't go into a shop with a backpack like t 2010.

when the new rules come into place you will still need to be a licensed grower by the state, your red card is not that

 

[Jhhnn]

your average grower can't go into a shop with a backpack like t 2010.

when the new rules come into place you will still need to be a licensed grower by the state, your red card is not that

For sure. I think it will ultimately lead to brand name products marketed through retailers across the state, like beer or cigarettes.

Maybe like fine wines, too. Dunno. A grower needs to find a wide enough market for high end stuff to justify growing it at all, something that statewide distribution would help. People who can appreciate the difference & have the money to afford it will move to the high end of anything, if it's there. Growers just need to get their product to enough of them to make it worthwhile. I'm sure there's a profitable market for truly phenomenal long flowering Haze, but whether it's big enough for growers to want to supply it is another matter entirely.

 

[KiefSweat]

if you can get into the buisness for under 100k i think you will hopefully see some more boutique brands and strains in the shops. Rec prices will probably stabilize but the easiest way to get $20 a gram in the future would be to grow long flowering sativas in a greenhouse or etc.

if anything the commercial quality will always leave the doors open for the greyer markets. There's a large market for quality herb that just smokes well in town.

 

[Jbomber79]

I hope that your right J, It would be nice to see micro growers producing high end products much like wine/microbrews- I don't like this analogy because herb has medicinal properties that go way behind traditional alcohol IMO... So kinda like the scotch that comes from Islay and how it's taste and smell are not matched anywhere in the world. time will only tell.