Coco Tree's

[zeet]

killer thread folks. I'm so stoked I stumbled onto this one. Tagging in to this treasure trove.

 

[cooterbrown420]

Best thread on IC hands down! thanks for blessing us DJM

 

[Blayz'd]

I don't know how many hours that took to read but they were hours well spent. Awesome thread. Thanks for sharing the experience and knowledge.

 

[johnwinn888]

Strand for tree like

Strand for tree like

Admired your work...hii djm which strands work well with your coco tree set up the best? Thanks

 

[Box farmer]

Reading this was awesome!!
Djm, your work is the best. You should be proud.
Currently I'm entering the indoor world after being outside forever here in the emerald triangle. Second gen from gg to 215.
When I was young it was cool. A lot of honor being a successful grower. These days I feel like a scum bag . All the outdoor has destroyed community and markets.
The work you are doing( and all you indoor guys) makes me feel glad to be involved again.
Thanks djm and all you other folks!! beyond inspirational!!

 

[Box farmer]

Oh by the way I have fourty thousand questions. I'll fly you out and back and treat you like a king if you come here and point and make lists. Pay u good too.
I know I'm dreaming. Still offers there if u want a free tour of no cal and see how bad it's become and why I want to go inside.

 

[Millerstreeandl]

Awesome thread. I may need to change up a few things

 

[jointventure420]

Thank You for taking the time to document this work...I especially enjoy the 2+lbs plant under a single 1K...

Great Work!!!

JV

 

[Foreman000]

And this is how I spent 1-3-16. Reading this whole thread. And I might just start at the beginning & do it again. What an awesome read. DJM thank you, good vibes your way bro. Thanks to everyone else here too. I'm getting that nice, warm tingly feeling. Shit , pissed myself again. Tons of great info in here. Thanks again.

Can anyone drop a link to the thread str8edge is talking about in post
#473. I found one but it looks like all pictures were removed. Only a 2 page thread. Take care.

 

[alotawatah]

Thanks Don for showing the results of vpd, not just the chart, among other things.

If any one knows...

5 gallons are great at 2 plus per light, but if I needed a bigger tree, at 1 per light, would I go to 10 gallons, figuring they drink more. Would the roots handle all that or would I get salt build up? How else to get more noots to a bigger plant?

When transplanting from root bound 1 gallons to 5 gallons, any special technique? Break it up a little and integrate it? Just plop it in?

Looking to go 18k over 24 to 36 (depending on med allowance) in march. Any help is gratefully received.

 

[yocs]

Nm

 

[sunshine247_365]

I have been running my rooms similar, here are some things I have learned , but still needs fine tuning.

40-50 degree weather or below is needed..clean source of air with some form of bug/dust screen if in an attic or crawlspace.

Run ducting across room in between lights like he shows and cut slits every 12-16in.

Always go bigger with the inline fan.

Cap the end or tape it, I do notice he runs his to the end, but I loose too much pressure so I've been cutting and taping the duct and the end of the row of lights.

USE A LASER TEMP GUN TO DIAL IN YOUR CLIMATE CONTROLLER.

I can't run outside air here in the summer, depending on where you are the humidity might mess with things or help them.

The passive exhaust is at the opposite end and corner of the door hopefully and is sealed well. He suggests an inline hooked up to it only to act as a dehumidifier at night. otherwise when the intake turns on, you should feel a heavy blast from the exhaust due to the pressure you created by "HERMETICALLY" sealing your room

Didn't understand that right away but I sure do now Lol

Many blessings Don Juan, lemme know if I'm missing something..

Just finished reading through the thread. Incredible amount of information. Thank you, DJM, for taking the time to share all of your experience with us. Since it looks like DJM hasn't posted in a while, would you please give me your opinion on something? Is it possible to get the type of quality in DJM's pictures earlier in the post when using GH in the correct ratio? I've bought into the marketing behind bottles for so long that it's hard to imagine that is possible. But who can argue with what is in this post...

 

[sunshine247_365]

GH is fine although Monsanto now owns them.

I recommend jacks with delta9s formula.

If you use GH try 6/9 and keep it very simple, try not to add anything else, maybe fulpower or hygrozyme..

Your fancy bottles do nothing for your plants compared to a dialed room. The vpd chart is all one needs to successfully grow the majority of plants indoors.

Goodluck sunshine..

Thanks for the well wishes and taking time to respond, Waxy! I believe the only question which DJM didn't answer was regarding any bloom enhancers or additives were used, outside of the 6/9. You may have already answered my question. Researching delta9s formula now.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Thanks for the well wishes and taking time to respond, Waxy! I believe the only question which DJM didn't answer was regarding any bloom enhancers or additives were used, outside of the 6/9. You may have already answered my question. Researching delta9s formula now.

DJM said which nutrients you use doesn't matter and he's tried lots of them. This means base and boosters. Dial in your equipment, room, environment to replicate his grow.

page 2-the nutrients are constantly changing..and honestly I found the nutrients to be less of a factor than any other element in the room..ive ran ionic, aquaflakes, dm gold, floranova, maxibloom, flora series and pbp in coco..can get similar results with them all honestly..choice comes down to ease, consistency and cost..im currently using a water soluble 2 part no name fert..before that gh

i use unfiltered tap and I sit around 800 ppms with base and max out at around 850-900 with bloom boosters

 

[sunshine247_365]

GH is fine although Monsanto now owns them.

I recommend jacks with delta9s formula.

If you use GH try 6/9 and keep it very simple, try not to add anything else, maybe fulpower or hygrozyme..

Your fancy bottles do nothing for your plants compared to a dialed room. The vpd chart is all one needs to successfully grow the majority of plants indoors.

Goodluck sunshine..

Having tried both, may I ask what differences you observed in quality of the final harvest between GH 6/9 and delta9nxs's formula for Jacks?

Also, I wasn't able to locate your comments or delta9nxs's on the timeline of flushing when using Jacks. Are there any special considerations? I recall that DJM eventually ended up flushing for two weeks at the end (assumed he was using GH 6/9). Can I run pure coco with Jacks or does it need to be amended with perlite, due to the high levels of K in it? I appreciate any advice you can offer.

 

[sunshine247_365]

DJM said which nutrients you use doesn't matter and he's tried lots of them. This means base and boosters. Dial in your equipment, room, environment to replicate his grow.

page 2-the nutrients are constantly changing..and honestly I found the nutrients to be less of a factor than any other element in the room..ive ran ionic, aquaflakes, dm gold, floranova, maxibloom, flora series and pbp in coco..can get similar results with them all honestly..choice comes down to ease, consistency and cost..im currently using a water soluble 2 part no name fert..before that gh

i use unfiltered tap and I sit around 800 ppms with base and max out at around 850-900 with bloom boosters

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[sunshine247_365]

DJM said which nutrients you use doesn't matter and he's tried lots of them. This means base and boosters. Dial in your equipment, room, environment to replicate his grow.

page 2-the nutrients are constantly changing..and honestly I found the nutrients to be less of a factor than any other element in the room..ive ran ionic, aquaflakes, dm gold, floranova, maxibloom, flora series and pbp in coco..can get similar results with them all honestly..choice comes down to ease, consistency and cost..im currently using a water soluble 2 part no name fert..before that gh

i use unfiltered tap and I sit around 800 ppms with base and max out at around 850-900 with bloom boosters

Believe it or not, I understand how to tune in a room from years of trial and error. However, I have no experience growing in coco and I have been making the same mistakes for years with my nutrients. Having my room tuned in has saved my ass, so I'm very thankful to be here learning how to use nutrients correctly and to also learn more about a medium like coco, which I've never used before.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Believe it or not, I understand how to tune in a room from years of trial and error. However, I have no experience growing in coco and I have been making the same mistakes for years with my nutrients. Having my room tuned in has saved my ass, so I'm very thankful to be here learning how to use nutrients correctly and to also learn more about a medium like coco, which I've never used before.

Coco is real adaptable to many growing methods. Most screw-ups while growing in it can be fixed without losing the plant. There are a few things that you have to make sure you are doing right or will have problems from the get go. Buy a good precharged coco like Canna or B'Cuss. Never flush with straight water. If you need to flush to fix a problem use weaker nutes. PH is super important in coco. The range is 5.5 to 6.2 but you don't want to be feeding at 5.5 unless you are fixing a problem. 5.8 to 6.0 is the sweet spot. You have to have a dialed in environment to run these higher ec like DJM does. 1.6-1.8ec seems insanely high to me without a dialed in room. I'm a less is more guy. 1.0ec in veg and never more than 1.2 in bloom. Never go more than 3 gal containers and fabric are best. 2 gal is the sweet spot. I grow 7' plants in 2 gal. Feeding to runoff or no runoff both work equally well. Multiple feeding per day are best. Goodluck!

 

[alotawatah]

Stoned40year,
If you would lend your insight, what is the pot size of diminishing returns with multi feeds, for example for going outdoors/greenhouse, or 1k Per plant in low plant count med state. Can pot size become a limiting factor if the plant is a gargantuan, even root bound and multifeeds must have a pot size determined limit of water/nutrient transport. So with a lot of infrastructure, could you ever justify going to 5's, 7's, or even 10's? Where would you hit point of diminishing returns? 7 ft in a 2 gal is serious, how many per 1k? My buddy in prop 215 uses 24 5 gal hydroton constant drip feed, low to no run off, under 16k, pulls about 24( blue dream) finishes at 7 ft. No vpd, no co2, tons of heat problems. Gh base nutes. I've convinced my partner to drop pro mix/traditional and to incorporate vpd/ root bound multi feeds, now we just need to apply it, thanks if you have response.

 

[sunshine247_365]

Cut the calcinit around week 4 for early finishers, week 5-6 for longer sativas..if 1gl flush for 7-10 days if 3-5gl a two week flush. I use hygrozyme and mollases in the last weeks as well..

Thank you for the details. May I ask the application rate of the molasses? Coming from feeding with AACT, I'm concerned about adding too much molasses, creating a bacterial bloom, leading to a possible anaerobic situation. Is that a non-issue in a coco media multi-fed through lines?