Coco Tree's

[sunshine247_365]

Coco is real adaptable to many growing methods. Most screw-ups while growing in it can be fixed without losing the plant. There are a few things that you have to make sure you are doing right or will have problems from the get go. Buy a good precharged coco like Canna or B'Cuss. Never flush with straight water. If you need to flush to fix a problem use weaker nutes. PH is super important in coco. The range is 5.5 to 6.2 but you don't want to be feeding at 5.5 unless you are fixing a problem. 5.8 to 6.0 is the sweet spot. You have to have a dialed in environment to run these higher ec like DJM does. 1.6-1.8ec seems insanely high to me without a dialed in room. I'm a less is more guy. 1.0ec in veg and never more than 1.2 in bloom. Never go more than 3 gal containers and fabric are best. 2 gal is the sweet spot. I grow 7' plants in 2 gal. Feeding to runoff or no runoff both work equally well. Multiple feeding per day are best. Goodluck!

Stoned and Waxy, I appreciate both of you for taking the time to reply. The quote at the bottom about it being expensive as hell to hang out on these boards is pretty funny. Your clarification will help me to avoid some costly mistakes, as the small things add up and make a significant difference. Excited to be on the track to growing quality medicine with a technique I am able to manage more effectively. I'll be careful to start with a lower ppm/EC and see what each strain can handle before pushing them. That should also serve as a litmus test for how well dialed in the room truly is. Michiganders are the best.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Stoned40year,
If you would lend your insight, what is the pot size of diminishing returns with multi feeds, for example for going outdoors/greenhouse, or 1k Per plant in low plant count med state. Can pot size become a limiting factor if the plant is a gargantuan, even root bound and multifeeds must have a pot size determined limit of water/nutrient transport. So with a lot of infrastructure, could you ever justify going to 5's, 7's, or even 10's? Where would you hit point of diminishing returns? 7 ft in a 2 gal is serious, how many per 1k? My buddy in prop 215 uses 24 5 gal hydroton constant drip feed, low to no run off, under 16k, pulls about 24( blue dream) finishes at 7 ft. No vpd, no co2, tons of heat problems. Gh base nutes. I've convinced my partner to drop pro mix/traditional and to incorporate vpd/ root bound multi feeds, now we just need to apply it, thanks if you have response.

That's out of my realm there. There are some threads some place here about guys using larger containers of coco in gh/outdoor grows. I know they used larger containers like 5s, 7s and 10s. Can't really give you any feedback as I didn't pay much attention to the threads. My plants are tall but not wide like gh/outdoor in these 2 gal. I run a perpetual. 1 or 2 plants in and out each week. 12 total- 6 each around vert 600w right now. 6-7 zips a plant at best, usually 4. Lot of different strains same time. I use blumats supplied by two 30 gal rez. No dialed in rooms for me, I cool them with outside Alaska air no matter if it's 30 above or 30 below. No control over RH either. Riding bareback and cheap Goodluck, there are some threads on here where guys are doing what you want to do.

 

[gh0st9]

You can run 10' trees in a 2 gallon pot of coco if you were really inclined to... Just keep the multifeed up and dial in vpd... Problem is keeping them properly upright and supported once those trees really put on weight

 

[windycitysmoker]

I hope u got a good trimmer,cause your hands would fall off trimming all that ^^^ wow

 

[alotawatah]

Hey thanks stoned... so you put 6 around a 600 vert and pull 4 zips plus off each one? Good shit.

Waxy, I've been through Hgo's stuff but I just spent the last 2 days re-reading. 1 bow off a 3 gal you say, so maybe 7 gal to hit 2 plus under a backed of de at 1150 watts? But I'd love to stay small and feed more, decisions, decisions.

ghOst9, I know these things will keep going and going in small pots while they're in veg, I figured that out in a fucked up semi abandoned vert grow where everything hit the ceiling in veg, but I'm curious if a smaller root system will become a limiting factor in flower if you have vegged a monster. But then I guess the plant will just drink faster and you have to just feed more often.( and tether the beast)

I'll probably go 7's and work down from there. Does anybody know how you transplant in this style? Would 1 rootbound the fuck out of a one gallon hard pot and then just drop it into a 3 gallon hard pot, rootbound the fuck out of that, and then just drop it into the 7 gallon, veg 2 weeks and flip? Been doing a lot of reading trying to figure this out, any help greatly appreciated.

 

[Foreman000]

. Michiganders are the best.

As long as you know this little fact the rest is gravy

 

[coldcanna]

If DJM had an ICMAG jersey they would most certainly retire his number to the top banner. Seriously, best thread I've ever read here , hats off to you and thanks for all the great info

 

[indianajones]

I'm a mushroom farmer by trade and I think I can help contribute something useful to "why does vpd work?"

When you're building a mushroom fruiting room, you build it for positive pressure to keep it from sucking in dust and other contaminate particles like mold spores and bacteria. The constant positive pressure means constant fresh air introduction. The primary source of contamination in microbiology is STAGNANT (humid) AIR. That's why some folks are probably having issues, improper air circulation inside their rooms leading to stagnant gasses inside the buds themselves. Every part of the plant needs gas exchange to prevent stagnation. I've seen the same thing in grow rooms on farms I've done consulting for. Those same principles apply to cannabis growing As long as you maintain a constant positive pressure, you can maintain a mushroom fruiting room above 90% humidity with very minimal contamination from mold, mildew, or bacteria.

 

[Relentless]

hey don juan, good to see u back man. been a minute huh?

 

[sunshine247_365]

No prob sunshine, dm me if ya run into problems, if I cant help, Ill guide you to the right place. I traveled this country quite a bit, I dont know if Ill ever leave again, I love this glove.

As for larger pots...take a look at hundred gram oz. Thread on coco... Not sure about outdoor just yet. Gotta do tomatoes in coco outside this summer to get more experience.

Thanks, Waxy. Just saw this. Need to post a few more times before DM is unlocked. Was debating leaving the state for other opportunities. For me, it's less of a grass is greener than sheer curiosity as to how it feels to be elsewhere in the same industry. I'm interested in what brought you back here after your experiences abroad. If the regulations were universally equal, would you still be here?

 

[Grow4Flow]

been following him for a long time, has always been very helpful with every question. wish he'd come back for updates

 

[watts]

thats watts up

 

[fazor]

GH is fine although Monsanto now owns them.

OMG, thanks for that info, it means I will never again buy any GH product.

 

[sunshine247_365]

I left for the same reasons you wanted to sunshine, I came back for the cost of operation & living, missed my family/friends, but most of all...I learned how to use coco and pull mad weight using very little. At the time I was working for greencoast hydro out in LA, could not stand those fake bastards, so I quit, drove back across the country back to the glove to finish what I started 7 years ago... In my home.. Finding this thread only 6 months back home my mind had again bren reset and revamped for another insane year of indoor growth...wont lie, Im more excited for my veggie garden this season

I had come to the same conclusion recently. If I can't find the right opportunity to grow outdoors, it will be difficult to beat the cost of production indoors here in state.
Seed starting time is always exciting. I'm trying some heirloom tomato seeds from a company out in CA this year. Looking forward to tasting some things you can't find in the grocery store. It might be more fun for me to choose between the different heirloom varieties of vegetables than the strains of medical cannabis. One thing is for sure, my experience growing cannabis has lead to far tastier veggies.

 

[sunshine247_365]

No prob sunshine, dm me if ya run into problems, if I cant help, Ill guide you to the right place. I traveled this country quite a bit, I dont know if Ill ever leave again, I love this glove.

As for larger pots...take a look at hundred gram oz. Thread on coco... Not sure about outdoor just yet. Gotta do tomatoes in coco outside this summer to get more experience.

Waxy, would you DM me if you are able? Thanks.

 

[doctor.dank]

Hey Guys, what do you guys use to prevent siphoning of the rez? After my pump turns on and the line is pressurized it continues to suck out of the rez. I add these anti siphon valves in

http://www.amazon.com/Valterra-200-...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00

and they work on some of my rez's (that get piped further) but on the ones where the piping (1/2 inch pvc) is only like 10 feet it still siphons. I tried adding in 4 or 5 of the them inline and I still have the problem.

Just wondering what you guys use to prevent this problem.

Thanks for any input

 

[Twisted pleasur]

I put in a tee in line after the pump with a valve coming off of it and I have it slightly cracked so it allows air into the line when the pump shuts off. This stops the syphon. It is right at the rez so no water is ever lost. You lose a slight bit of pressure this way but nothing bad. Plus this helps to oxygenate as well.

 

[noyd666]

 

[doctor.dank]

Thanks @twister pleasur

sounds like it will work fine. I have all of those things lying around I dont even have to go down to home depot to try it out thanks again.

 

[Twisted pleasur]

Cool glad to help... if you get a chance Post a pic and inform on how it works for you... DJ would want it that way...

I could take a pic when I get a chance... I looked I dont have any atm..