Cloning with JJScorpio

[plantsman]

So i'm back for more cloning advice...
I'm now using rapid rooters for all my clones and they are looking healthy but Its 3 weeks since I took the cuttings and still no sign of any root. The clones I had from before have taken around 4-5 weeks to root... Basically, is it possible that I have a strain (Domina Star F.Y.I.) that takes a HELL of a long time to root? Or am I still doing something wrong??

35 days seems a long time from cutting to plant? Thanks

 

[JJScorpio]

There are plants that take longer to root then others. Three weeks or so is usually the max though.

Make rure the rapid rooters aren't dripping water and make sure the lid is propped open forair at this point....

 

[plantsman]

Thanks JJ, its cool your on hand, its really appreciated.

So I must be doing something a bit wrong still. Anyway, the good news is that I dont seem to be losing any anymore. I havent lost a cutting in about a month and thats definitely an improvement, so thanks.

I'm sure i'll get the hang of things and pick up that pace a little bit, but so long as I keep taking cuttings and have enough space in my domes I guess the 5 week wait is irrelevant, just a little frustrating.

I plan on buying some new seeds over the next week. I really want some skunk #1 and NYDiesel... do you know if they're particularly hard to clone?

 

[JJScorpio]

Those are both easy to clone strains.

I'm still think maybe you are leaving the plugs to wet. They should only be damp. Don't spray the clones and when you first clone just spray the inside of the dome.

I never heard of a strain that always takes over three weeks to root....

 

[plantsman]

OK cool, it maybe that the plugs are too wet. One of my previous problems was underwatering so I've probably gone the other way now.
Don't spray the clones at all? Not even after cutting them from the mother?
I'll give it a go, I just took a fresh batch today so I wont spray them anymore, spray inside of dome and make sure the plugs are just damp.
Thanks for your patience man, we WILL get to the bottom of this!!

 

[plantsman]

Mr JJScorpio, I got some great news. I've had all my cuttings from 28th June root!
Some were showing yesterday but today all have roots. Man, that is serious, serious improvement. I am a happy little stoner!
I think its a combination of using rapid rooters and getting moisture, temps and humidity right... sounds easy when its said like that ;-)
Seriously, thanks for being on hand and for repeating things to a newby like me that you've probably typed a hundred times...
Thank you brother, peace

 

[jesusprice]

Have to give props to JJScorpio AND everyone else's discussion in this thread
about 4-5 months ago I gave this a read before i took my first cuttings and 2 outta 6 rooted, now im taking cuttings every 2weeks!
every time im getting better at my technique , I have really got it dialed in! last cuts all rooted 100%!
Like its said, be persistent with the temps and humidity!,
also I have a dome with a tray and then a vent tray for the clones,
I fill the bottom tray with warm water to keep humidity up^, as soon as it starts to fall, I look in my tray and fill it back up!

also im rooting with relatively no light , i have 20 clones growing on top of my dome so some light creeps down the side but not really, i still get roots from this and move them a few days after i see them and they seem to be fine, whats everyone elses thought on this?
its pretty efficient, root 20cuttings below while growing 20 cuttings above! then a bonsai mother next to them and all i need is a 2foot fluro,

2foot fluro in a 1foot by 3foot cupboard giving me 20 clones in 500ml pots ready to be transplanted every 2weeks,
I LOVE IT

THANK U!

 

[bubblegumkings]

very nice tut. i do the exact same for my babies. one thing i do different is i like to have a cup of water with 1 drop of superthrive in it for after i cut the plant i let the cuttings sit in there while im cutting and plugging.

 

[dazednconfused]

hey all,

Had a question regarding the size of the clone....

Does the size of the cut you take matter when it comes to early flowering outdoors?

Eg. If I take a large clone/small branch and clone it, will I have a higher chance of early flowering compared to an average sized one?

 

[JJScorpio]

It doesn't have anything to do with flowering times, but you should have a stronger, faster growing plant....

 

[RipVanWeed]

JJScorpio, much respect.

I'm a noobie, learning new skills. I've tried 2 different ways to clone so far. 1st set....I put a small airstones in pots of water and bubbled some roots. This way worked, but I did have some issues

The plants I clipped from were two weeks into flower and the ones that had more flower never really rooted. The project had to move forward, so I planted some that had only nubs. What stubborn little plants, they sat there at 18/6 in good soil, and good temps, and just continued to grow into tiny little nug buds on a stick...when I finally gave up on those runts and pulled them from the soil there was still no roots. I don't know how they produced the flowers like that!

Most, 80% or so adapted well. 8 make up my current indoor grow, and 12 I've got outdoors in the ground and large containers. Struggling/ learning about revegging now, as most of the outdoor clones started to flower at first. I'm sure some of the flowering/cloning/revegging was strain dependant. Super Silver Haze was the most difficult, only 2 cutting were successful, so these clones I take now must florish for me to keep the Haze. The UK Cheese is in the same boat, except the revegged plant is outdoors!

2nd attempt at cloning... I made a DIY cloner using a fog mister, and a bucket. I drilled the lid and made some foam inserts/collars out of a garden kneel pad. I germmed some seeds (another first) for outdoors, 6 J Herer, and 6 Swiss Bliss. When they were of decent size I topped them and used the clippings to try and clone/sex them in 12/12. Poor results, I put the bucket in the lower shelf of my grow box...too much light. Also, I didn't know that the ultrasonic mister would create heat, combined with the 80-84 degree grow box temps, only a couple rooted. Most had mushy brown stems when I gave up. I belive this technique will work with proper light and temp control.

I'm about to start round three. I have Rapid Rooters, a tray, and a dome. Previously I used Dip n Grow rooting hormone, I don't think it was able to do much good as the techniques I used were so 'wet'.

Will the Dip n Grow I have on hand work OK?

The origins of my growing were some clones I bought, they came well rooted in Rapid Rooters. I'm looking forward to continue the propagation of my strains.

Hope this is coherent, RipVanWeed

 

[JJScorpio]

The dip and grow will be fine. Sometimes I don't use any rooting hormone.

Let us know how the RR work. Remember to squeeze the water out of the plugs and then just keep them damp and not soaked....

 

[RipVanWeed]

Thanks JJ,

I'll share pictures as I go, I took 43 cuts from outdoors this am.

Gonna take about a dozen from my indoor plants when their lights go on this eve.

Some of the Swiss Bliss girls are showing flowers already, this makes me concerned as I've experienced delayed rooting with flowers.

While bending in, selecting a cut , I came 'eye to eye' with my Guardian Garden Ninja.



RipVanWeed

 

[silent_lemon]

last time around i had rapid rooters, peat pellets and 3x 600ml soda bottles cut in half as pots with soil and amendments. I found those 3 rooted in the half cut bottles rooted much faster; so much faster that they had a mass of roots at the bottom by the time the others had 2-3 visable roots coming out. Also they had a 100% success whereas with the ~10 RR and ~10 peat pellets they had a 70% success. Did I get lucky with those 3 straight into soil clones and they too are 70% chance to root, being if i had one more it might have failed? 3/4 = 75%

i definitely like the RR more than the PP, but is straight into soil a viable option or is the wool being pulled over my eyes in a biased sort of way?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Thanks JJScorpio..


Since I had a really great record cloning the strains I grew for years I didn't think twice about doing the same thing..

No heat, no dome..

This time new strains and dismal results..

I am now up to speed and will create a proper place and use a dome with a heating pad.
Not least of what I will use is the information I gained from your thread JJScorpio.


JackTheGrower..

 

[RVD420]

I have had pretty good success with 75% perlite 25% potting soil.

few drop of water into the "clone mix"

Then I just do the 45 degree cut, a small slit in the stem, then dunk into water, dunk into rooting hormone.

Put clone into a big ziplock baggie. Burp her one a day for 10 min.

Even with taking cutting from plants in flower I still get a 90+% success rate.

 

[cfl bagseed]

This sounds like the method i need to use when it comes timer for me to take clones.

I've been searching for a lowcost, nonhydroponic method of cloning. I have a mexican bagseed I plan on revegging here in about 2 months or so. Shes currently in day 46 of flowering. I'll post my results when i try this method sometime down the road. Shes a classic bagseed type, something thats badass that you don't see all that often on the streets. Ive been trying to narrow down the gentics and it seems I could have a Oaxcan Highland type, not too sure though. Thanks for the tips, I'll be sure to let you know how it goes, thanks JJ.

 

[silent_lemon]

jiffy pucks or rooter plugs in a tray under a dome, a heating pad underneath is fairly important for expediency - and the faster they grow roots the faster they become 'self sufficient' and less time reduces the potential problems.

i use a plywood cabinet i built 18 inches tall, 24 inches deep, 24 inches wide, i put a double t5 HO fixture in there, 18 watts total i think, ha. the expensive part of the "clone factory" are those heating pads, but if youve attained them cheaply, you've grasped success. i have mini mum plants like drbud's and just take cuttings when theyre ready, putting them in peat pucks usually because theyre easy, and retain water better than the plugs. put them in the domes and check all your clones daily for roots, then...well i pot them...

it's like christmas finding presents i mean roots everyday when my cabinet lights turn on at 6pm. roots roots roots

long story short, soon as i built this small cabinet with 2 trays with dome lids, 2 heating pads and less intense light, i have reached 100% success in the past 2 months, probably 100 mature plants. id say 50% more successful after the heating pads and once i started paying attention to giving them some air once in awhile. else you attract the fuzz, and not the gun toting one...anyhow hope i could help a bit too, or at least be entertaining.

 

[nesvarbus]

can i clone my girls from flowering plant ? and put back for vegetation ? flowering on about 2weeks, she shown a little buddys, but not much...
so guyyyys...

 

[silent_lemon]

yep