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Huckster79
Fight not fire and extinct not instinct- damn medication anyway lol
the sceptics do post many counter 'facts'
so time for the opposing side
recall the warm spell at north pole last week(or so)?
records were setup there, current temps back to normal
here's the latest arctic satellite measurements
see that dip? that coincides with the warm spell
and put arctic ice levels into record low territory for the date
almost like a blast of artillery from the equator to the pole
kind of cool actually, wait ..., make that warm
see it here at http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews
This "unprecedented melting event" has caused Arctic ice to reach its highest December extent in over a decade.
CHECK OUT the ''UNPRECEDENTED WARMING.''
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2015-12-31-03-13-43.png
2015-12-31
Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut Note: DMI issued this this notice on above graph. “The plot above replaces an earlier sea ice extent plot, that was based on data with the coastal zones masked out.
This coastal mask implied that the previous sea ice extent estimates were underestimated.
The new plot displays absolute sea ice extent estimates. The old plot can still be viewed here for a while.”
“One buoy 300 km from the pole reported temperatures just above freezing for an hour yesterday. Another buoy a mile away did not report any above freezing temperatures.”
...horse puckey. ...climate change 'scientists' are full of shit, they've been lieing and faking the data for decades as a way to tax and control the population, if it weren't 'climate change' it'd be something else, they want us powerless and bickering among ourselves in hopes we don't notice what full of shit liars they really are, ...and how badly they are ALL screwing us over, the Dimmocraps and the Repugnicans both!For a guy who spouts a lot of shit I figured you'd know that sea ice means nothing compared to land ice.
Sea ice is ice/water that is already in the ocean and freezes over like a pond or swimming pool in the winter. It grows and contracts with the change of the seasons.
Land ice from glaciers would be additional water/ice from the land added to the ocean. It'd be like filling a glass up to the rim with water and then adding ice cubes, what's going to happen lol the water rises and in the case of the glass it overflows.
All you do is repeat climate change denial talking points (al gore, 1998, Phil Jones) that are not correct and then add some gibberish.
2014 was one of the hottest years if not the hottest on record. Summer of 2015 I believe was the hottest summer on record and may even be the hottest year as well but I don't think that data is in. 2016 will be more of the same.
Has a 13°K spike happened before?
Is it something weird and totally unusual that we need to worry about? Going back and looking at the DMI charts, we find that temperature spikes in the Arctic for the period early November to late March are nothing new.
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13 kelvin is a large jump
but the one last week was 23 celsius, which is quite larger
from http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews
Ringing in the New Year with a brief polar heat wave
An exceptional weather event during the last days of the year brought a heat wave with surface air temperatures up to 23 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the far north, and a brief period when surface temperatures at the North Pole approached or perhaps even exceeded the freezing mark. A temperature of +0.7 degrees Celsius was briefly recorded by a buoy weather station near the North Pole on December 30, 2015...
The people you went and dug up aren't the people whose data is being discussed, nor the people whose data is considered best in the region.
The people who actually take the data are the people to ask what their data means.
Particularly since
(1) Denmark covers a lot of territory out there as a matter of National reputation.
(2) They've been looking at Arctic temperatures weather and climate for hundreds of years before the regular record keeping of the mid 20th century.
The people whose data it is, say : ''According to the Danish Meteorological Institute here, which has been systematically tracking Arctic temperatures north of 80° latitude since 1958,
here’s what the 2015 “North Pole meltdown” really looked like (far right) once the whole Arctic region got factored in:
http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/DMI-Dec31-2015.png
This is their homepage.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
' 'The above DMI figure shows that the temperature in the Arctic above 80°N was estimated to have risen only some 13°K during the event, and not nearly 30°K as the WAPO and others tried
having its readers think.
Note how also in early March 2015 the Arctic saw a similar rise. Just a few hours after the local region near the North Pole saw a burst of warm southern air, almost immediately temperatures there dropped back to -30°C."
The above DMI figure shows that the temperature in the Arctic above 80°N was estimated to have risen only some 13°K during the event, and not 30°K as the WAPO tried having its readers think. Note how also in early March 2015 the Arctic saw a similar rise.Just a few hours after the local region near the North Pole saw a burst of warm southern air, almost immediately temperatures there dropped back to -30°C.
- See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2016/01/04/...-last-58-years/#sthash.3K6TwEcL.KTGtVB8B.dpuf
the denmark site is a real science site
i commend you for using it, the other link is not very credible
anyways, the dmi figure is showing daily mean temperatures
i don't believe nsidc is using that metric in their report, these are simply different measures
For a guy who spouts a lot of shit I figured you'd know that sea ice means nothing compared to land ice.
Sea ice is ice/water that is already in the ocean and freezes over like a pond or swimming pool in the winter. It grows and contracts with the change of the seasons.
Land ice from glaciers would be additional water/ice from the land added to the ocean. It'd be like filling a glass up to the rim with water and then adding ice cubes, what's going to happen lol the water rises and in the case of the glass it overflows.
All you do is repeat climate change denial talking points (al gore, 1998, Phil Jones) that are not correct and then add some gibberish.
2014 was one of the hottest years if not the hottest on record. Summer of 2015 I believe was the hottest summer on record and may even be the hottest year as well but I don't think that data is in. 2016 will be more of the same.