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shakesignal
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Hey Dave, good to hear back from you. I'll probably switch out my HPS for the halide tonight, then eventually go HPS/CMH at 500w/335w respectively. I just transplanted the two thai girls after gradually topping them, as to avoid stress.
To those ends, I am forewarned and forearmed (sorry for the flowery language, I'm high and have been watching Penny Dreadful all week). I've researched landrace and pure sativas, pretty extensively, so I've battened down the hatches for half a year flowering, possibly keeping them in the corners, light but steady watering. Jeez, it feels like I got a damn puppy
I am basically under-doing everything, as I'm led to believe the GN Thai are light feeders, esp. with Nitrogen.
Now I put those two in TLO amended soil, cooked for a couple months. I hope it's not too rich. I want to blame the deficiencies on lax CalMag application, lax ferts, and the damn FFOF. I've seen the light and Fox Farm has been shunned from my garden! Shunned! I'm trying ProMix for the rest.
As for the rest of my grow, here's a quick rundown: Ace/CBG Panama, Eskobar Oaxacan IBL, Nirvana El Dorado (they swear up and down its a pure Oaxacan, it looks kinda Dutch-xacan to me.), Colombian Gold (WOS strain, pretty weak, nanners at 8 weeks, AVOID). Anyway, here are the few pics I had around, you can kinda see, sorta. Thanks for any help and input!
farmer brown01
New member
Dave, you talked me into finally posting something, I've been lurking for awhile here and elsewhere, just being paranoid here in unfriendly territory, I'm an old dude from the days of $20.00 four finger lids, and yes, I miss the good old days of famous names like Oaxacan which I used to get a 1/4 lb of for $150.00, I'd get rid of three and kept one for free, the buds were lime green with a little gold sometimes and always chock full of tiger striped seeds, the roughly foot long buds were not compressed and not manicured, just dried, It might have been 1977 when I grew one outside when I lived way out in the sticks, the thing was a 12' monster Christmas tree, unfortunately I knew nothing about growing and harvested too early and it wasn't even close to its mother in potency, I can still remember the awesome taste and smell of those Oaxacan buds, to me it reminded of soap, black pepper, and a little hashy, very dense smoke, all of us used to keep Visine handy because your eyes would get so red they almost looked like they were bleeding, I keep hearing that pot now is so much more potent but I don't believe it, those seeded buds were killer.
If I can grow some balls I may post some pics of my current C99, one pheno I'd like an opinion on.
If I can grow some balls I may post some pics of my current C99, one pheno I'd like an opinion on.
Thanks for love VerdantGreen. Glad to see you in here bud. Im glad you like the Thai! More of the thai to come soon. Were almost at the 2 month mark. Maybe a day before. Sounds like a good time to do an update on them tonight. Stay tuned!
Glad you like em meadowman. You'll love the next update. Lots more Thai pics will be coming at you and everyone else soon.
Hey Dave, good to hear back from you. I'll probably switch out my HPS for the halide tonight, then eventually go HPS/CMH at 500w/335w respectively. I just transplanted the two thai girls after gradually topping them, as to avoid stress.
To those ends, I am forewarned and forearmed (sorry for the flowery language, I'm high and have been watching Penny Dreadful all week). I've researched landrace and pure sativas, pretty extensively, so I've battened down the hatches for half a year flowering, possibly keeping them in the corners, light but steady watering. Jeez, it feels like I got a damn puppy
I am basically under-doing everything, as I'm led to believe the GN Thai are light feeders, esp. with Nitrogen.
Now I put those two in TLO amended soil, cooked for a couple months. I hope it's not too rich. I want to blame the deficiencies on lax CalMag application, lax ferts, and the damn FFOF. I've seen the light and Fox Farm has been shunned from my garden! Shunned! I'm trying ProMix for the rest.
As for the rest of my grow, here's a quick rundown: Ace/CBG Panama, Eskobar Oaxacan IBL, Nirvana El Dorado (they swear up and down its a pure Oaxacan, it looks kinda Dutch-xacan to me.), Colombian Gold (WOS strain, pretty weak, nanners at 8 weeks, AVOID). Anyway, here are the few pics I had around, you can kinda see, sorta. Thanks for any help and input!
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I like the HPS/CMH mix much better than straight HPS. Im sure you're plants will thank you for it. Just dont get the lights too close. I like at least 20 inches between the light and the upper canopy on my plants(Two 600w Bulbs). A bit more on the Thai as they seem more sensitive to high light intensity.
I would advise dropping the notion these Thai are Low N feeders. The exact opposite is true in my garden. In my many months of flowering out these Thai Ive seen ppm levels in the soil solution drop by over 1000ppm in a single day! That was at the extreme end, but usually they'll deplete the soil solution of 350-550 ppm on any given day during flowering. Thats alot of feeding going on!
Even with Osmocote in the media, and my res level at 225 ppm right now, all my Thai are showing lower leaf loss from N deficiency. Ive extracted soil solutions from all the ladies via Hanna suction lysimeter, and each sample has been below 400ppm. Some as low as 250ppm, which is dangerously low. I want it at least 1000ppm for flowering to get a good yield.
Ive been hand feeding almost every day for the last 4-5 days @ 600-680ppm, and soil solution ppm is still very low. Now these are big plants, that will put strain on soil fertility quite quickly, but were only at Day 59/60 of flowering, and they're not even at the peak of flowering where nutrition demands will go even higher.
Judging from the lower leaves on your plant, id say it looks like the beginning of N deficiency. How often do you feed your Thai? Id love pics of the whole plant. That'd be helpful in diagnosing your problems. Do you know the exact ppm of your nutrient solution is? 600ppm is a good starting point for you. It'll need to be tweaked depending on your lighting, environmental conditions, etc.
Id advise putting the Thai closer to the lights, but dont let the branches grow too tall though. They do like plenty of light, but you can't get them too close to the lights. Also, they dont like to be in a corner. Low light levels tends to cause a canoe-ing of the leaves, ime.
Btw, Promix is great. Its what I use. Get one with a biofungicide included though. Also, it doesn't provide much nutrition as it only has a starter charge. If you use it, you must provide WSF(waster soluble fertilizer) and/or add other forms of nutrients to the media, such as Osmocote. I prefer Osmocote & WSF together. Maybe you can try EWC, compost, etc if you're into organics, but thats not my area of expertise.
You're line up sounds like a blast to grow out. Especially anything Ace/CBG. Ive grown out some Nirvana stuff when I first started, but I wouldn't put much faith into what you're really getting
I wish I had me a nice mexican strain in my garden. I hope the Eskobar Oaxacan comes out amazing for you!Alright, I think Ive gone on long enough. Lol. Time for lunch.
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This round looks pretty epic! You seem to be dialing them in pretty nicely! Good job with the sativas brother! Well worth the wait IMO!
shakesignal
New member
Hey Dave, talking with you got me going so I started my own journal!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=327177
And thank you so much for the detailed advice and info about my Thai babies. Go ahead and ramble, cause I want to make sure I get these right. The goal is to avoid stressing them into herming out on me. So any tips or notions you offer are gold!
I'm guessing the basic tenets of growing Thai land races apply to other fragile pure sativas. Such as my Guatemala, or either the Punto Rojo, or USC Colombian Gold '72. I have many green wild beasts to tame!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=327177
And thank you so much for the detailed advice and info about my Thai babies. Go ahead and ramble, cause I want to make sure I get these right. The goal is to avoid stressing them into herming out on me. So any tips or notions you offer are gold!
I'm guessing the basic tenets of growing Thai land races apply to other fragile pure sativas. Such as my Guatemala, or either the Punto Rojo, or USC Colombian Gold '72. I have many green wild beasts to tame!
Thanks for the love, my man. The hard work is beginning to pay off. I should be able to get an amazing bumper crop from the ladies this time around. I just got to keep myself in line, and not get lazy.
Thankfully, Ive got a closet shelf full of Thai Stick to help keep me focused and motivated. Ive got an update coming up tonight for TSG, and TSA. You're gonna love em!
Im glad you started a journal. Ill subscribe so I can follow your journey with the Thai Sticks. Im sure there will be more advice I can offer, but be careful for what you ask. Some people get offended when I offer advice. I can be blunt sometimes...
Some of it may conflict with what you've read or will be told here. I hope the pics of my plants will be enough to convince you.
W/ Regards to hermies, I only had one out of 5 Thai Stick show intersex problems. The remaining 4 are great, and show no intersex problems. Ive done plenty to stress the remaining ones, and no nanners at all. Over-watered when blumats ran away, under-watered when blumats got a clog once, gotten too close to the lights, door opened with light shining in multiple times during dark period, over-fertilized, under-fed, etc, etc. You name it, Ive probably done it at one point.
I wouldn't sweat stressing them out. If you get one with problems, thats just the luck of the draw, and no amount of care you could provide would have stopped it. I hope you get a pure male you can make some seeds with. I came up empty in that area. Good luck!
Id wager the same care I provide my Thai would do amazing on those 'fragile' sativas. I think you'll find that these plants are hardier than you realize. Fragile isn't how Id describe pure Sativas, but they are beasts as you say. Often times these pure sativas have much more vigor than anything else Ive ever grown.
Its time for me to get started on my next update. Ive got pics taken of TSA, and TSG coming up folks. Stay tuned.
Left over Pics from Day 44
Left over Pics from Day 44
Before I get to the 2 month update, I wanted to get the last pics of Day 44 up. I found some extra pics stashed away in my folders. Lets share them real fast, so we can get to the 2 month update.
We got a group shot here of the 4 ladies posing, and one small Durban Poison hidden in there somewhere.
TSG foreground, TSF background.
A lower branch of TSG. Simply gorgeous.
A lower branch of TSA. Not as pretty. Leaf tip scorching on nearly every leaf. The leaves dont have the same glossy sheen like TSG either. One would immediately assume over-fed right? Thats probably what you've read multiple times during your time on these forums and other ones. But what If I told you, she is shedding lower leaves as they turn yellow, and soil solution extraction was less than 350 ppm? Not so sure are we now???
She's actually under-fed, and the leaf tip scorching is a result of media EC being extremely low. Its not to say leaf tip scorching can't be caused by over-feeding, but studying your plants, and having a suction lysimeter goes a long way in determining whats really amiss.
Okay everyone, time for some hot new Thai Stick pics at the 2 Month Mark.
Left over Pics from Day 44
Before I get to the 2 month update, I wanted to get the last pics of Day 44 up. I found some extra pics stashed away in my folders. Lets share them real fast, so we can get to the 2 month update.
We got a group shot here of the 4 ladies posing, and one small Durban Poison hidden in there somewhere.
TSG foreground, TSF background.
A lower branch of TSG. Simply gorgeous.
A lower branch of TSA. Not as pretty. Leaf tip scorching on nearly every leaf. The leaves dont have the same glossy sheen like TSG either. One would immediately assume over-fed right? Thats probably what you've read multiple times during your time on these forums and other ones. But what If I told you, she is shedding lower leaves as they turn yellow, and soil solution extraction was less than 350 ppm? Not so sure are we now???
She's actually under-fed, and the leaf tip scorching is a result of media EC being extremely low. Its not to say leaf tip scorching can't be caused by over-feeding, but studying your plants, and having a suction lysimeter goes a long way in determining whats really amiss.
Okay everyone, time for some hot new Thai Stick pics at the 2 Month Mark.
Day 59/ Week 8.5 Thai Stick A Update
Day 59/ Week 8.5 Thai Stick A Update
Tonight we get to take a peek at TSA. Two months in so far, with about another 3 to go. She's going to have the most delicate looking foxtails when its all over. Were beginning to see the frosty foxtails forming now. Her buds have such a strong flavorful pine taste that would leave you saying WOW! I have a difficult time tasting MJ during smoking, let alone describing the taste, but with her, there is no mistaking it. Nothing but Pine all day long with a hint of cedar.
First up is a group shot of the four Thai ladies, A, G, E, and F. Still looking pretty healthy and happy so far.
TSA in all her glory.
Day 59/ Week 8.5 Thai Stick A Update
Tonight we get to take a peek at TSA. Two months in so far, with about another 3 to go. She's going to have the most delicate looking foxtails when its all over. Were beginning to see the frosty foxtails forming now. Her buds have such a strong flavorful pine taste that would leave you saying WOW! I have a difficult time tasting MJ during smoking, let alone describing the taste, but with her, there is no mistaking it. Nothing but Pine all day long with a hint of cedar.
First up is a group shot of the four Thai ladies, A, G, E, and F. Still looking pretty healthy and happy so far.
TSA in all her glory.
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I hope you all enjoyed seeing more of Thai Stick A. She'll pop up in some more pics in the next update when we get to Thai Stick G.
I hope you all enjoyed seeing more of Thai Stick A. She'll pop up in some more pics in the next update when we get to Thai Stick G.
Day 59 Thai Stick G Update
Day 59 Thai Stick G Update
This lovely lady is doing great at the 2 month mark. Even though Ive seen some lower leaves turning yellow and low ppm in the media, the upper canopy is doing nicely still. The measurement tonight had soil fertility at only 350PPM. Ive upped the res level to 250ppm, and hand-fed 16oz of feed at 680ppm. Ill remeasure tomorrow and re-evaluate their feed strength.
With these Thai increases in nutrients need to be in small increments, as a sudden spike in soil fertility tends to cause unwanted consequences in flowering. Its always a huge bummer, so Im being extra cautious with them.
The pine smell is beginning to come in with this lady. I wish all of you could smell her. You'd love it me thinks.
Lets get to some pics before I pass out now.
TSG with alot of her branches tied down to herself. The branches were getting too tall, and its too late to top them now, so its time for bending. Wheres Bender Rodriquez when I need him..
Here is one of the tied down branches.
A trio of future Colas. Two TSG, and TSA sneaking in there in the background.
Day 59 Thai Stick G Update
This lovely lady is doing great at the 2 month mark. Even though Ive seen some lower leaves turning yellow and low ppm in the media, the upper canopy is doing nicely still. The measurement tonight had soil fertility at only 350PPM. Ive upped the res level to 250ppm, and hand-fed 16oz of feed at 680ppm. Ill remeasure tomorrow and re-evaluate their feed strength.
With these Thai increases in nutrients need to be in small increments, as a sudden spike in soil fertility tends to cause unwanted consequences in flowering. Its always a huge bummer, so Im being extra cautious with them.
The pine smell is beginning to come in with this lady. I wish all of you could smell her. You'd love it me thinks.
Lets get to some pics before I pass out now.
TSG with alot of her branches tied down to herself. The branches were getting too tall, and its too late to top them now, so its time for bending. Wheres Bender Rodriquez when I need him..
Here is one of the tied down branches.
A trio of future Colas. Two TSG, and TSA sneaking in there in the background.
Two more for your viewing pleasure. TSg left, TSA right
Rolando Mota
Active member
Gorgeous plants! I bet that's going to be some tasty smoke
Gorgeous plants! I bet that's going to be some tasty smoke
You've no idea Rolando. Anyone that ever gets to sample my ladies always remarks on the great taste, and how it doesn't take just like every other bag of pot they've gotten before. That always gives me a warm fuzzy feeling since I use nothing but chem/synth nutrients to feed my ladies.
Oh, they're all diamonds Tang, but TSG does really shine bright.
Wait till you see more and more updates come in. Ill make sure to get enough pics to really see the progression of them thru flowering. Most of the time you all only get to see snapshots of them. I hope to improve upon that this run.
Day 63 Thai Stick E Update
Day 63 Thai Stick E Update
Its been almost 20 days since the last update on TSE. She's really began to flower now. It wont be long before I have to stake or tie up some of those branches.
Even though she looks good, Im still struggling to keep her fed. Last nights reading of soil fertility was 350ppm, and thats with the Reservoir at 300ppm now, and me hand-feeding her 32 oz @ 780ppm just two days ago. I gave her another feeding at the same ppm and same amount last night. Hopefully it'll start to slowly climb back up soon.
Day 63 Thai Stick E Update
Its been almost 20 days since the last update on TSE. She's really began to flower now. It wont be long before I have to stake or tie up some of those branches.
Even though she looks good, Im still struggling to keep her fed. Last nights reading of soil fertility was 350ppm, and thats with the Reservoir at 300ppm now, and me hand-feeding her 32 oz @ 780ppm just two days ago. I gave her another feeding at the same ppm and same amount last night. Hopefully it'll start to slowly climb back up soon.
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You can really see the N deficiency in this main fan leaf, as well as some others in the background. Its begun progressing higher at this point already
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You can really see the N deficiency in this main fan leaf, as well as some others in the background. Its begun progressing higher at this point already
Afropips Durban Poison Teaser
Afropips Durban Poison Teaser
Just a couple of quick pics I wanted to tease you all with.
Afropips Durban Poison Teaser
Just a couple of quick pics I wanted to tease you all with.
Afropips Durban Poison E I think..or maybe F
Afropips Durban Poison E I think..or maybe F
Hey gang, this is the followup to the teaser. She's either Afropips Durban Poison E or F. They both looked so alike at harvest, and were harvested within days of each other. Im not sure which one this is tbh. The other one I failed to get pics of. She got completely made into cobs.
She was taken between 120-130 days of 11/13. Definitely longer than previous runs, but I believe thats due to over doing it on feed around Day 40-60. It had the side effect of extending flowering by more than a month. Bud formation was affected as well, taking on a more sativa extreme foxtailed look. Pretty to look at, but not what I was shooting for. The next run is likely to have different bud formation as long as I dont over do it on the feed.
There was no way I could have harvested them under a 100 days and been happy, so I just had to wait it out, and let them finish off when they were ready. Boy was this lady ready too. She gave up loads of sweet sticky amazing smelling buds filling up multiple mason jars, and making multiple 30gram cobs as well. Ive got some pics of that coming up later. First pics will be of E/F??? on her harvest day.
Afropips Durban Poison E I think..or maybe F
Hey gang, this is the followup to the teaser. She's either Afropips Durban Poison E or F. They both looked so alike at harvest, and were harvested within days of each other. Im not sure which one this is tbh. The other one I failed to get pics of. She got completely made into cobs.
She was taken between 120-130 days of 11/13. Definitely longer than previous runs, but I believe thats due to over doing it on feed around Day 40-60. It had the side effect of extending flowering by more than a month. Bud formation was affected as well, taking on a more sativa extreme foxtailed look. Pretty to look at, but not what I was shooting for. The next run is likely to have different bud formation as long as I dont over do it on the feed.
There was no way I could have harvested them under a 100 days and been happy, so I just had to wait it out, and let them finish off when they were ready. Boy was this lady ready too. She gave up loads of sweet sticky amazing smelling buds filling up multiple mason jars, and making multiple 30gram cobs as well. Ive got some pics of that coming up later. First pics will be of E/F??? on her harvest day.
