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[Dave Coulier]

Excellent

Welcome to the thread Sun Tzu. Im glad you found your way here. Enjoy the read, and feel free to chime in anytime you wish.

Can't wait to see what sort of dank crosses you whip up with that Durban male brother, make sure you let us see that show to! Respect brother

Well, I do have a few options right now. GN Thai Stick, Mr. Nice Shit, Sam's Hazeskunk F2, all in my flowering room right now. Along with simply crossing with his sisters and continuing this line of course.

Id like to cross this male with the Shit females Ive got, and make my own Early Durban variety. Ive tried the Seedsman Early Durban about 5 years ago, and it was all garbage throw away plants. No consistency in any of the plants. So many different different expressions in all of them. Long flowering wispy plants, next to shorter flowering plants with chunkier buds, but all smoked poorly with no noticeable high.

The Thai x Durban cross will for sure be a thing. That's the one Im stoked the most about. I never had a chance to grow out Durban Thai High Flyer as it was before my time, but now I get to create my own version of it.

It'll likely be at least a month before any of the other Thai will get touched by his pollen. They're just not ready yet, and may not be quite ready to receive pollen even in a month. Just wait and see mode.

Once the crossing begins, you better believe Ill share it here.

Interesting stuff Dave.

Thanks RudeDog. Some might say weird stuff....

Thanks Dave , you do keep me interested even though I don't care lol

Thanks for the laugh Ssd420. Ive got an update coming up that may be interesting and helpful to some of us out there. I know you dont care, but check it out anyways

 

[Dave Coulier]

Tips on how to spot over-fertilization during flowering

Tips on how to spot over-fertilization during flowering

Ive been sitting on these pics for awhile considering what to do with them. The 4 Shit clones of the same plant, mentioned long ways back, didn't turn out as I had hoped. I fudged up, and I thought the best way to make use of my mistake, would be to share it, so no one else has to experience the same thing.

These 4 shit clones were started with 4-5 grams Osmocote/gallon media, which has worked well with all my other plants, but the clones were too far outside the lights foot-print to make use of all the nutrients being released. Slowly but surely, EC/PPM levels continued to rise in the media over time and it had a significant effect on flowering initiation, length of flowering, bud structure, terpene profile, and taste.

Clones that should have been done in 70 days, weren't even ready at 80-90 days of flowering. By day 45 day they looked to have only flowered for 3-4 weeks.

The bud structure had taken on a much greater sativa expression, with foxtails forming but still with large chunky calyxes. They flowered like a Sativa too. Easily going 90 days and needing more time to finish. I had no choice but to just chop em down, so I could make room for plants that would flower properly.

I can't say that new terpenes sprung forth with over-fertilization, but I can say the profile I was used to, took on a more menthol, rubber-cement type smell when prior I was used to a smell of stinky, sweaty feet that had been running through a berry patch.

She definitely didn't taste like sweaty sweet feet either. More like a combination of menthol and rubber cement. Bleeeecccchhh. Tasted like she smelled. Not the tastiest terps.

Now some photos to demonstrate how to spot high EC/PPM levels in your media if you're not actively monitoring it.

Here we have a group photo, things look pretty nice at first glance aside from the yellowing and clawing of the plant on the right. Notice though, none of the other clones have any clawing, so high fertility levels dont always lead to clawing. In most cases its been environmentally caused when this occurs with my plants. I see this often when the fan leaves dont receive enough light or have outgrown the reflector or usable footprint.

Now were moving in a little closer, where a keen eye may spot some symptoms of high EC/PPM. Look closely.

A little closer..Thats better, now I can see things a bit more clearer. Ive highlighted the problem areas that give me a clue Ive overdone it on fertilizer. Recently occurring leaf tip scorching when the plants are still green with lots of fan leaves will lend itself towards too high of EC. If your plant is chlorotic and you see leaf tip scorching, media ec is often dangerously low. I typically see the scorching occur more often when EC is dropping rather than increasing. I use it as a early warning sign Im not feeding enough as long as other signs point in that direction.

Also notice the odd green leaves sticking out of the buds in unsightly ways. They shouldn't be there at all, and only occur when EC levels spike high suddenly, or were high at the beginning. Those occurred within the first 45 days and stuck around like an ugly wart on my buds for the remainder of flowering. Grr.

Check out the foxtailing at the ends of the buds. These buds took on a much more sativa expression when over-fed. Neat that I can do that if I want, but I dont want that. Of course you'll only know if the foxtailing is typical or not if you've flowered the plant before.

 

[djimb]

Hey Dave, your Thais are looking really great! I've got a soft spot for narrow leaves too, and I look forward to a day when I have the space and resources to let something flower for 4-6 months in a pot bigger than a quart.
The Durban's are gorgeous too, but they're definitely different than i would have expected. Do you know if afropips did much breeding of their own, or was it mostly seed harvested from large grows? I've heard nothing but good about them, but they were gone before I started getting serious about growing. Shame.
Anyway, you're doing inspiring work, and I'm looking forward to seeing how your Durban Thai crosses come out!

 

[honrickman]

San Diego,s Finest

San Diego,s Finest

I call this Jamul Kush. I believe it,s Wifi and Lemon diesel mixed. That,s what the guy said when he gave me the clones. But who cares as long as it works.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 83 Durban Poison Group Update

Day 83 Durban Poison Group Update

I'm overdue on this update methinks, so lets get to it.

I moved all of the remaining flowering DP from the flower room into my veg tent a few days ago, as I needed to move some Shit plants out of there and into the flowering room. A simple swap out. They will stay there for a week, and then I think Ill take any main colas that appear ready, and let the lowers go another week or two. The lighter purple/green ladies have tops that appear ready to take now, which I may do sooner than a week. Gonna sleep on it.

It can take weeks upon weeks for reveg growth to begin to appear, especially if you dont apply a large dose of N to help jump start the process. I'm only giving these DP water from here on out to avoid any unwanted reveging occurring. TBH, Ive had them on low feed diet for over a month now, as I just wasn't giving them the attention they needed. Now that Im using nutrients in my reservoir again, I should be able to do a better job feeding the next run of the DP.

The range of colors in the buds range from deep rich hues of purple to lighter shades of purple and pink interwoven amongst light green calyxes.

Lets get some pics up here. In the inner circle of the DP are two GN Thai Stick clones. I recently chopped half their height off as they were getting too tall. Ive no space to flower them right now, so Ill continue to chop her back and try to reduce her and her sisters footprint until its their turn to flower again. Back to the Durban now.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Continued...

Continued...

 

[Dave Coulier]

 

[SourDank]

Can't get enough of that purple man, so beautiful

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 135 GN Thai Stick G Seedplant Update

Day 135 GN Thai Stick G Seedplant Update

Were at 135 Days into flowering now. 4.4 months, or a little over 19 weeks flowering so far. Im thinking she will need 30-40 more days before being ready. At least I hope.

The foxtails are beginning to form at this stage of flowering. I can't wait to see how they look in a month. Im hoping I can avoid the premature yellowing with the clone of TSG thats in there too.

Right now, Ive got the reservoir feed level set at 400 ppm, and media fertility is hovering a little over 550ppm. Too low for ideal flowering(I want at least 1250). Even the clones only two months in have low fertility levels already, but slowly climbing now. I went ahead and did a hand feeding of 18 oz for each plant in 3 gallon containers, and 8 oz bottom-watered.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 60 GN Thai Stick F Flowering Update

Day 60 GN Thai Stick F Flowering Update

Well two months have passed, and this plant is clearly the slowest plant to begin flowering. We are going to be in for a long, long wait with this lady. She is one of the ladies whom I culled previously at the early stages of flowering as a seed-plant because she wasn't healthy enough. Its the clone turn now, and she's much healthier right now and looking far better.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Hey Dave, your Thais are looking really great! I've got a soft spot for narrow leaves too, and I look forward to a day when I have the space and resources to let something flower for 4-6 months in a pot bigger than a quart.
The Durban's are gorgeous too, but they're definitely different than i would have expected. Do you know if afropips did much breeding of their own, or was it mostly seed harvested from large grows? I've heard nothing but good about them, but they were gone before I started getting serious about growing. Shame.
Anyway, you're doing inspiring work, and I'm looking forward to seeing how your Durban Thai crosses come out!

Thanks Djimb. Im pretty happy with how this run of the Thai are going. Much better than last run. I hope you get your chance to grow a long-flowering sativa someday soon in a bigger container. Im much happier with these ladies in 3 gallon containers than the previous 1 gallon I first attempted. Im going to go larger next time around. 5 gallons at least. Recommend you do too. Multiple runs is also a must imo.

Yeah, the Durban's are definitely not what anyone expected. I would have never in a million years expected something under 90 days, purple and on the denser, chunkier side. Nonetheless, they are some damn fine looking plants, and Im glad to have them in my little garden.

I can't say for certain if Afropips bred his own version of Durban Poison or not. He bred his own Malawi Gold line but Ive never found much info regarding the breeding of his Durban Poison line. Maybe Ive not looked hard enough though.

Im stoked about the Thai Durban cross too. Should be some beautiful children from that cross and hopefully amazing smoke too. I can't wait to start them someday in the future and share em here.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 60 GN Thai Stick G Clone-Flowering Update

Day 60 GN Thai Stick G Clone-Flowering Update

Ive got one more Thai clone to show you all tonight. Thai Stick G clone. The mom is just a few feet away flowering. You all saw her update a few posts back. Kinda neat to get to see them both at different stages of flowering at the same time.

This lady is gonna blow away the seed-plant TSG. She's much healthier at this stage than the mom was, and much more tops.

With all the increased foliage though, has come increased nutrient demands, and soil solution ppm has dropped into low levels(400-600), but because Ive kept them further from the lights this time around, symptoms have been very mild in terms of lower leaf loss and yellowing. So far just some singed tips telling me Im not feeding enough.

Suction lysimeters back that up, as Im doing daily readings, and making adjustments to the feed level in the reservoir each and every night. Im currently up to 450ppm in the RES after starting at 200, and that still isn't enough to keep the Thai at optimum fertility levels.

To give you an idea of how much nutrients these plants need right now..I hand-fed all of the Thai last night @ 520 ppm, 26oz water for plants in 3 gallon containers. Plants are also fed via Blumat drip, with res levels at 400ppm+, and Osmocote 4-5grams/gallon of media.

Fertility measurements for one of my Thai last night was 550ppm, tonight, it was 540ppm. It didn't go up, it went DOWN! Even after increasing feed levels in my reservoir, and hand-feeding the plants, fertility levels dropped by 10 ppm!!!! Talk about hungry hungry hippos! I was thinking I could get by with one-hand feeding a week, but that clearly isn't possible. Im still shooting for a ppm in the res that will keep the Thai at 1Kppm+, but I need to make small changes as Ive seen the ill effects of fertility levels spiking high and suddenly. I dont want to go back there again.

I look forward to the challenge of bringing their fertility levels back up slowly over the next two weeks. I better do it fast though, because they're not even at their peak feeding rates yet..........

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 60 GN Thai Stick Clone Group Shot

Day 60 GN Thai Stick Clone Group Shot

In this photo is clones of TSA, TSE, TSF, and TSG. As well as TSG Seedplant, and TSA revegged(I think) Enjoy. From 60 days flowering to over 200 days.

 

[RoostaPhish]

200 days!!! Wow. I guess all I have to ask is, is it worth it? Strictly from a smoking position.

 

[Dave Coulier]

200 days!!! Wow. I guess all I have to ask is, is it worth it? Strictly from a smoking position.

Ill let you know in 3-6 months after a cure, or 2 weeks after a Tangwena Cob Cure. I really need to go for the second option, as I have a difficult time letting any buds cure for a long time. Now way Ill slow my consumption down, so why not try speeding up the cure?

The two branches I harvested previously were consumed days ago...well short of even a month cure. Oops.

 

[SativaScience]

Great thread. The Thai looks wonderful.

 

[heady blunts]

such commitment!

 

[Planes]

Ill let you know in 3-6 months after a cure, or 2 weeks after a Tangwena Cob Cure. I really need to go for the second option, as I have a difficult time letting any buds cure for a long time. Now way Ill slow my consumption down, so why not try speeding up the cure?

The two branches I harvested previously were consumed days ago...well short of even a month cure. Oops.

For some reason this is actually refreshing.

 

[Buddah Watcha]

Bro that purple plant is just amazing! Props!

 

[djimb]

I hope you get your chance to grow a long-flowering sativa someday soon in a bigger container. Im much happier with these ladies in 3 gallon containers than the previous 1 gallon I first attempted. Im going to go larger next time around. 5 gallons at least. Recommend you do too. Multiple runs is also a must imo.

I grew out a few plants from seed I collected in Colombia a couple years back. They were narrow leaved nd lanky, but they were all male. Germed in Feb, and the last one gave up in june. I collected pollen from all three, and recently dusted some revegging Durban clones I've got in the closet, but I must not have collected or stored it well, because I still don't have seeds forming. I'll try again when i flower the Durbans properly. I'll definitely go up to #5s, as they're already in #1, need repotting, and still aren't back to five leaflets. I might put one outside next year in a #35 or something ridiculous like that.
Thanks! Hope i'm not hijacking.