Cinderella 99 The Come Back

[bman707]

Lost Tribe: Leaf problem - any suggestions?

Lost Tribe: Leaf problem - any suggestions?

The leaves on all 4 of my Cindy plants have variously curled throughout the grow, back and forth but are now mostly flat, I believe high humidity was the issue. The current problem started a couple of weeks ago with the huge bottom fan leaves first curling inward and upward and with time showing progressively rusting on the inner curl. Now it has spread to mid, non-fan leaves, first the curling. I thought it was heat stress but as it started with the bottom leaves and I have moved it out of the heat, I don't think so. She grows in a complete mix, Coast of Maine Platinum Growers Mix, containing bat guano, lobster compost and lots more. I have fed her only slightly, she hasn't called for anything: half feedings of Liquid Karma, the last on 3/9, 2 1/3 portions of Roots Organic s Grow , the last on 3/2 and 5ml/gal Kool Bloom on 3/21. My other 3 are perfect. Perhaps it might be genetic root rot? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. bman707

 

[Oregonism]

Update,

Cindy #1 3 weeks and accidentally seeded about 50% with pollen from Archive Valley Girl MFer male. 1 day too long! This girl is the most sativa of the group with 9 bladed leafs, lots of double serrations, skinny leaves, sweet smelling and started pushing visible trichomes at 18 days.

Cindy #2 is at about a week and is a fine Female! More Indica/Hybrid leaning with mostly 5 bladed leaves. This one was topped about the 8th node and now has 5 or 6 branches with nice healthy shoots.

Cindy #3 leans closer to #1 but fatter leaves and its a stretcher for sure. Unsexed, topped at node 8, but healthy and a few 7 bladed leafs at like 6 weeks veg under t8 6500k.

Cindy #4 and #5 are the most Indica looking with much less stretch and showing only 5 bladed fatter leaves. Both topped around the 8th node.

Initial smells of #1 is sweet and fragrant vs sour or skunky. Shows promise. Still not much worth seeing at 3 weeks. Hope they start to set it off.

Blessings!
LT

That is very interesting LT, very cool. I have a jack herrer cut I have kept from seed over the years and it displays double serration at times and I have an old mystery skunk that all displays the trait.

This is strictly a theory but maybe the "asian"[but mostly high altitudes] and "sativa" groupings which seem to dominate this double serrate are remnant populations that managed to survive initially like their high altitude relatives the "indicas" or more specificly the "kushes".
Most aeem to consider serration just a remnant or junk DNA, so to speak, but this actually increases stomatal mass and could be a remenant of a population that was covered with double serrations to suruvuve the high altitiudes. This alone just adds to the what the fuck is what, so its just a theory, lol.

Love your input, had to add some as well eace:

 

[LostTribe]

Good luck LT!

Bros. Grimm stock?

FDM via Charles Baudelaire. F2 of original grimm stock directly from Soul back at CW and OG.

Hoping. Wishing. Waiting.
LT

 

[Happy Times]

FDM via Charles Baudelaire. F2 of original grimm stock directly from Soul back at CW and OG.

Hoping. Wishing. Waiting.
LT

Oh nice

Direct link to the late 90’s- woot!!!

Soul was kind enough to send me some P88 seeds back in the day, I still remember that “P3” keeper- Hawaiian Punch fruitiness with a diaper poopy funk , bright orange hairs on a neon green background. Good times! Never made any beans with her as a mom. I did cross the earliest male I got with a couple different Sagarmartha BubbleBerry ladies but didn’t find anything that great out of the 4-5ish females I got out of those beans, didn’t pop more because of that. One was nice flower but so spindly and low yield that I wasn’t won over. Maybe not the best male choice, I remember I just selected the earliest one to show sex, being a rookie pollen chucker back then I wasn’t thinking to evaluate for stem rub smells, crystal, or structure. In retrospect I wish I would’ve done a group pollination of the best lady with all the different males

 

[bman707]

Which pheno's do I have?

Which pheno's do I have?

Hello All: At 10 days in flower, 2 or 3 show completely different characteristics: in reverse order from shown: 1. thin delicate Sativa leaves, bright African green, tall; 2. dark green, larger serrated leaves, taller;3. the group pic here seems to be the dark green but doesn't have the serrations and it's not as tall and stretchy as either of the others. Can anyone tell me which pehno's I might have? Thanks. bamn707

 

[FrozenFire]

Week 9 harvested c99. This plant isnt the same as the week 7 harvest. She now smells of rancid gym socks with a bare hint of sweetness at the end. 10 minutes in a jar after being trimmed and the smell emanating from the jar will make your eyes water if you stick your nose in the jar! I've never had a plant irritate my eyes enough to make them water.

 

[redlaser]

...,
bman707, it’s hard to tell by looking at a plant how it will taste and smell, or any phenotypical expression really.

As far as your earlier pics, have you looked at Joe Fresh’s thread in the infirmary section, called sick plant thread?
Has lots of pics to compare to, also has charts showing how nutrients affect each other when out of balance

A slurry test using distilled or RO water will tell you medium ph and tds
Pour 10-20% by volume water through medium, letting first 1/5 go to waste and capturing last 4/5, check that for info

 

[bman707]

Thanks, redlaser.
FYI to Cindy growers: today I received more Cinderella 99 seeds from another seed company not the original, labeled: 1. genetics: PrincessX Cinderella '88 and 2. " Cinderella '99. I'm wondering whether the owner of the original Princess is involved. And isn't 1988 before the original Cinderella came out? Thanks. bman707

 

[Dogen]

Thanks, redlaser.
FYI to Cindy growers: today I received more Cinderella 99 seeds from another seed company not the original, labeled: 1. genetics: PrincessX Cinderella '88 and 2. " Cinderella '99. I'm wondering whether the owner of the original Princess is involved. And isn't 1988 before the original Cinderella came out? Thanks. bman707

The 88 and 99 do not refer to the year of release.

 

[JetLife175]

Following Princesses are:
Princess 94 (P.94) = Princess x P.88
Princess 97 (P.97) = Princess x P.94 == Cinderella 99

Up from Princess 97 its stabilized!

Mr.Soul at facebook: [...] this is P88, the 3rd generation in the 5-generation process that I used to create Cinderella 99. It goes P50, P75, P88, P94, then P97=Cinderella 99

 

[Crazy Chester]

Thanks, redlaser.
FYI to Cindy growers: today I received more Cinderella 99 seeds from another seed company not the original, labeled: 1. genetics: PrincessX Cinderella '88 and 2. " Cinderella '99. I'm wondering whether the owner of the original Princess is involved. And isn't 1988 before the original Cinderella came out? Thanks. bman707

Hi Bman. I think Soul might have sent out C99 testers to a few folks on the boards in 1999. But, it was 2000-2001 when Heaven's Stairway seed bank was stocked up with it and when most people bought C99 seeds.

 

[LostTribe]

The FDM C99#1 started pushing resin 5 days ago. Sativa phenotype. Definitely smells authentic and better than the Joey Weed and definitely better than the BG!

Sitting at 24 days if memory serves me. Still cursing the MFer that knocked her up. 50% pistols went bright orange. She's got the right smell so far. 2 more in now one at a couple days and another about 2 weeks. 2 more on deck.

In my past experience the real c99 would go through a change of smells through finish. This scent is bringing back a lot of memories and I can't keep my hands off of her!

 

[LostTribe]

Thanks, redlaser.
FYI to Cindy growers: today I received more Cinderella 99 seeds from another seed company not the original, labeled: 1. genetics: PrincessX Cinderella '88 and 2. " Cinderella '99. I'm wondering whether the owner of the original Princess is involved. And isn't 1988 before the original Cinderella came out? Thanks. bman707

Yeah, time for you to start your own thread for FMS and that crappy hybrid, just burned some. A Dios. Why are you spamming my thread dude? FMS is crap, been there done that.

FMS IS NOT PURE C99.

LT

 

[LostTribe]

Yeah, time for you to start your own thread for FMS and that crappy hybrid, just burned some. A Dios. Why are you spamming my thread dude? FMS is crap, been there done that.

FMS IS NOT PURE C99.

LT

Original C99 won't be found in FMS C99, Been there, Done That. FDM, CB, thank you for the opportunity to finally run my girl again! LT

 

[yesum]

You got me worked up LostTribe! My C99 are at the finish line too. I smoked a bit of a male and got a nice high so hoping a female can do even better. Even if they only equal Joey C99 I will still be happy.

 

[Corsaire]

Hi,

So much love here

Be cool and smoke a joint guys, it's simply a thread about C99, no need to be so angry to talk about our common passion

Best vibzzz

 

[Shadimar]

Mmm.


The Cinderella Family are some of my favorite plants ever. I was delighted to see the Bros return. Happy Harvesting, everyone.

 

[Crazy Chester]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Following Princesses are:[/FONT]
"Princess 94 (P.94) = Princess x P.88
Princess 97 (P.97) = Princess x P.94 == Cinderella 99

Up from Princess 97 its stabilized!

Mr.Soul at facebook: [...] this is P88, the 3rd generation in the 5-generation process that I used to create Cinderella 99. It goes P50, P75, P88, P94, then P97=Cinderella 99"
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Bman, I think Mr. Soul was talking about the current C99 - not the original release of C99 in the Facebook post recounted above by JetLife175. I was around lurking on the boards back then. Back then he described only four "cubes" back to Princess: P50, P75, P88 and, finally, P94 = C99.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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"Can someone explain what the above means and how it relates to the Princess x p88 I received."


Given the foregoing - PrincessxP88 = P94 = Original issue C99 IF the same P88 male used by Mr. Soul back in the day was used to pollinate Princess. The male used is the key. I recall Mr. Soul recounting what he did back then. Here's my memory - the other oldtimers will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong - among the seeds he started with that included the females Princess, Genius and Cafe Girl, at least one was a male, which he crossed to a female Shiva Skunk and then grew that cross out and chose a male to cross with Princess. The mystery male (Princess's brother) x Shiva Skunk x Princess = P50. From the P50 seeds, he chose a male and bred him with Princess to create P75. From the P75 seeds, he chose a male and bred him with Princess to create P88. And, finally, from the P88 seeds, he chose a male and bred him to Princess to create P94. I think he was going to breed a P94 male to Princess to create P97, but he decided P94 was what he wanted and then sold them as the great Cinderella 99.





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[JetLife175]

If the seeds are truly what they are labeled, it's likely they came from Mr. Soul or Sly - the original Brothers Grimm. Very few people had the Princess clone back in the day (as far as I know, because they didn't talk about it in the public boards on Cannabis World). But, I also remember there was a small group of growers on the boards back then who were gifted P50, P75 and P88 from Brothers Grimm. Yet, I don't remember them talking about having a Princess cut. It's possible someone else made your seeds, but, it's more likely your seeds came from the Brothers Grimm themselves.

From what I can recall albeit it really hazy is that soul gave the princess out to trusted people as backups and didn’t get out until years later.

 

[Crazy Chester]

From what I can recall albeit it really hazy is that soul gave the princess out to trusted people as backups and didn’t get out until years later.

I think you are right, I'm pretty sure he did give out Princess. More people may have been gifted her than I've imagined. I just rarely saw anyone speak of it publicly, but that's to be expected, given the legal climate at the time and the fact that I was only looking at public posts on Cannabis World. I do remember a few posts from some people claiming they had Genius. Back then, the internet as it exists today was only a few years old. Mr. Soul and the growers he traded with struck me as academic types. I think they were communicating together online before the internet became widely accepted and before it was user friendly. They were among the internet pioneers. There was a lot of trading going on in that group because it was sometimes referred to publicly, but they were secretive about specifics in those early days.



In any event, if bman's seeds germinate, I think he'll find something special. It either came from Soul, Sly or someone they traded with, IMO.