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[yesum]

I am not sure of the divine nature of the bible, they removed a bunch of Apocrypha books from it. Not holy books anymore for some reason.

Back when the old testament was written things were a bit different than now. I can understand why God or just some well meaning men, took the path they did with laws. They put as much laws in as they could without risking total lack of participation by the common man.

A lot of those old laws like killing people over stuff, were not enforced either as I understand it. Not saying I agree but I can see how trying to manage the behavior of 'cave men' was not easy.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Add the fact that they incorporated pagan traditions to entice.

 

[pipeline]

Good morning ICMAG! Wecome to summer!

Here's your Word for the day! Enjoy!

Acts 5:3-42 NKJV

Gamaliel’s Advice

33 When they heard this, they were furious[g] and plotted to kill them. 34 Then one in the council stood up, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in respect by all the people, and commanded them to put the apostles outside for a little while. 35 And he said to them: “Men of Israel, [h]take heed to yourselves what you intend to do regarding these men. 36 For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody. A number of men, about four hundred, [i]joined him. He was slain, and all who obeyed him were scattered and came to nothing. 37 After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census, and drew away many people after him. He also perished, and all who obeyed him were dispersed. 38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God.”
40 And they agreed with him, and when they had called for the apostles and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. 41 So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for [j]His name. 42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.

Acts 6 New King James Version (NKJV)

Seven Chosen to Serve

6 Now in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplying, there arose a complaint against the Hebrews by the Hellenists,[a] because their widows were neglected in the daily distribution. 2 Then the twelve summoned the multitude of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable that we should leave the word of God and serve tables. 3 Therefore, brethren, seek out from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business; 4 but we will give ourselves continually to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”
5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude. And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch, 6 whom they set before the apostles; and when they had prayed, they laid hands on them.
7 Then the word of God spread, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Stephen Accused of Blasphemy

8 And Stephen, full of [b]faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke. 11 Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.” 12 And they stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; and they came upon him, seized him, and brought him to the council. 13 They also set up false witnesses who said, “This man does not cease to speak [c]blasphemous words against this holy place and the law; 14 for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses delivered to us.” 15 And all who sat in the council, looking steadfastly at him, saw his face as the face of an angel.

 

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[Microbeman]

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The best representation of Jesus in the thread yet.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

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Boom!!

 

[Microbeman]

I've got to say I'm not a religious person but I have observed Christian behavior for a long time. In general there is such a misunderstanding by the Christian church of what Jesus was trying to say. He was disgusted by profiteering; so much that he threw down the tables of merchants and chased them off. This makes him a fearsome man who could command such a response. He said that praying (in church) in front of others was so sinful, so as to be unforgivable. Yet most churches are all about showing off how hard you can pray and making money. PURE EVIL.

Pipeline; If you doubt this read Matthew 6 real hard.

Alex Jones has to be the exact opposite to following the teachings and examples of Jesus. Do what you preach and read carefully, preferably a red letter edition.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

I've got to say I'm not a religious person but I have observed Christian behavior for a long time. In general there is such a misunderstanding by the Christian church of what Jesus was trying to say. He was disgusted by profiteering; so much that he threw down the tables of merchants and chased them off. This makes him a fearsome man who could command such a response. He said that praying (in church) in front of others was so sinful, so as to be unforgivable. Yet most churches are all about showing off how hard you can pray and making money. PURE EVIL.

Pipeline; If you doubt this read Matthew 6 real hard.

Alex Jones has to be the exact opposite to following the teachings and examples of Jesus. Do what you preach and read carefully, preferably a red letter edition.

Add Trump to the hell bound.

 

[Water-]

I've witnessed women scream rape then claim it never happened..... So is it really the least reported or the most falsely reported? Hell I know a woman who said her man touched her daughter the daughter never said it happened and the woman fucked the guy several times since. Woman are pretty crazy to say the least. I personally think she lied to get the man falsely imprisoned as a child molester, why else would she still be fucking the guy?

Also if the woman doesn't know who the father is after consensual sex, well that sir, is a whore. The state will still help and yet again many people still can't have children and would love to adopt a baby. My wife actually gave her first child up for adoption cause she was 15 years old at the time, she still sees pictures and hears about him.

Why do you act as though adoption is not a good option? I think it's a better option than abortion myself.

how many children have you adopted?
or times you caused a woman to scream rape?

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

#1
To begin with my discussion was of John's perception as stated in his book, Revelation only. The battle of Gog and Magog definitely follows the 1000 years of peace as verified here;

Revelation 20
"7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."


I only mentioned Ezekial to correlate the meaning of Gog and Magog related to the debate ongoing with theological scholars about whether Gog and Magog represents all the nations of the world or if it is restricted to the specific nations outlined in Ezekial.

One could, I suppose hypothesize 3 or even more great battles looking at Revelation 16 and (as you noted) the drying of the Euphrates.

#2
Again, my interest and discussion was limited in scope to Revelation. I do not view the bible as a book within itself but as an anthology of books.

One can only speculate but it seems apparent that John is speaking of people in physical form, raised from the dead, being only the cream of the cream of Christians who suffered death and torture in the defense of their belief in God.

They supposedly reign with Christ over the nations of the world, I assume much as we see today.

What is supposed to happen with people born during this period in terms of becoming Christians or Buddhists or Muslims is a mystery.

#3
This is why I agree with scholars who hypothesize that in Revelation the battle of Gog and Magog is in fact Armeggedon, at least in the terms perceived by Christians as the final apocalypse and the end times.

Following the battle of Gog and Magog the earth is gone.

Revelation 21
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


My original point was, according to John, that ordinary born again Christians will not be risen suddenly as in a rapture as they seem to believe and identify with current signs of 'end times'. Contrary to this, they will wait an extra 1000 years to rise from the dead. During the 1000 years, there will peace on 'earth'. Thus when peace breaks out on earth there will be 1000 years to wait for the dead 'born agains'.

#4
Really, your speculation is as good as mine. Correct me if I am incorrect but there is no named 'mount of olives' in Revelation.

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Bear in mind that I do not believe that these statements are accurate but history reveals that Christians so much believe these things that they push to fulfill these prophesies and they use these statements to excuse their irresponsible destruction of nature.

Let's go backwards -



#4 - I have not done a word search or place search of revelation for that fact but i know in the book of Zechariah, towards the end, it talks about how Jesus returns to the mount of olives and the mountain splits in two. Also, in acts when the angels asked why the followers were just looking up at the sky that jesus would come back the same way he went into heaven (and they were on the mount of olives).


#3 - There is no resurrection to flesh for the people chosen during this time period - They are resurrected into their spiritual bodies and are left to help train the people during that 1,000 years who haven't had their chance to know the true christ. This whole resurrection is described in 1 cor 15 - they are sown as dead bodies and resurrected into a spiritual body without flesh. And it says at the last trump in 1 cor 15, which follows the battle of armageddon.



Anyone who believes the rapture is biblically illiterate.


#2 - The resurrected saints are those who have a daily relationship with god here, those who don't receive the mark (this is not a material thing but rather a spiritual thing - most people already have the mark and don't even realize it).



#1 - I thought you were trying to make the point that armageddon was after the 1,000 year reign? This couldn't be possible because of what was outlined in #3 above.



Without a proper understanding of what the 1,000 year reign is makes you come to conclusions that just aren't there. Some scholars can argue this or that, but the bible interprets itself and is of no private interpretation. The pieces must all fit together in order to make a puzzle complete - most people (including scholars as during the time of jesus) just ignore certain pieces or try to force them into places that don't fit.



This discussion has been fun, but i don't think it's going to go anywhere else from this point. It's really funny to me how most atheist, agnostics, satanists, mystics, and everything else know more about the bible than "christians".

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Well he thinks that women should only screw one guy a month and that they are all crazy.

I feel bad enough for his wife.

Don't make him tell us he's raising future misogynistic asshats.

 

[Microbeman]

Let's go backwards -



#4 - I have not done a word search or place search of revelation for that fact but i know in the book of Zechariah, towards the end, it talks about how Jesus returns to the mount of olives and the mountain splits in two. Also, in acts when the angels asked why the followers were just looking up at the sky that jesus would come back the same way he went into heaven (and they were on the mount of olives).


#3 - There is no resurrection to flesh for the people chosen during this time period - They are resurrected into their spiritual bodies and are left to help train the people during that 1,000 years who haven't had their chance to know the true christ. This whole resurrection is described in 1 cor 15 - they are sown as dead bodies and resurrected into a spiritual body without flesh. And it says at the last trump in 1 cor 15, which follows the battle of armageddon.



Anyone who believes the rapture is biblically illiterate.


#2 - The resurrected saints are those who have a daily relationship with god here, those who don't receive the mark (this is not a material thing but rather a spiritual thing - most people already have the mark and don't even realize it).



#1 - I thought you were trying to make the point that armageddon was after the 1,000 year reign? This couldn't be possible because of what was outlined in #3 above.



Without a proper understanding of what the 1,000 year reign is makes you come to conclusions that just aren't there. Some scholars can argue this or that, but the bible interprets itself and is of no private interpretation. The pieces must all fit together in order to make a puzzle complete - most people (including scholars as during the time of jesus) just ignore certain pieces or try to force them into places that don't fit.



This discussion has been fun, but i don't think it's going to go anywhere else from this point. It's really funny to me how most atheist, agnostics, satanists, mystics, and everything else know more about the bible than "christians".

As stated twice, I was limiting my monologue to the perception of John in Revelation. Nothing else.

If I included other books, I would take many pages. As an invalid, I learned to read at 4 years old and all I had was the bible. I lived in a hospital.

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

As far as abortion goes - How come woman have the freedom to choose what they want to do with the baby inside of them in new york, but not outside of them as pertaining to vaccines? Where are all the pro choice people there?

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

As stated twice, I was limiting my monologue to the perception of John in Revelation. Nothing else.

If I included other books, I would take many pages. As an invalid, I learned to read at 4 years old and all I had was the bible. I lived in a hospital.

You used ezekiel to tie back to gog and magog...


It's still obvious that the battle of armageddon happens before the 7th trump when the first resurrection is. The 7th trump begins the 1,000 year reign, then it says gog and magog is assembled for the next battle after the 1,000 year reign... after armageddon, after the 1,000 years.



So what was the point you were trying to make again?

 

[Microbeman]

You used ezekiel to tie back to gog and magog...


It's still obvious that the battle of armageddon happens before the 7th trump when the first resurrection is. The 7th trump begins the 1,000 year reign, then it says gog and magog is assembled for the next battle after the 1,000 year reign... after armageddon, after the 1,000 years.



So what was the point you were trying to make again?

My point was according to John and my one 'tie to Gog and Magog' because John used the term was that Armeggedon or apocalypse or whatever term the Christains prefer to use, definitely (IMO) occurs after the 1000 years of peace. Anything else makes no sense. The end is the end is the end.

This was to accentuate to Pipeline that there is no sudden in the night or day rapture for regular born agains. According to Revelation - nothing else.

I only mentioned Ezekial to correlate the meaning of Gog and Magog related to the debate ongoing with theological scholars about whether Gog and Magog represents all the nations of the world or if it is restricted to the specific nations outlined in Ezekial.

You used ezekiel to tie back to gog and magog...

Why repeat what I said?

 

[TychoMonolyth]

As far as abortion goes - How come woman have the freedom to choose what they want to do with the baby inside of them in new york, but not outside of them as pertaining to vaccines? Where are all the pro choice people there?

She still has a choice. She can do what ever she wants to herself or HER child. But if she doesn't get it vaccinated, and her kid gives my kid something that cripples or kills my kids, I'd stick a needle in her head. Right on top.

We dont live in the wild west anymore. When your actions are harming people, you'll get stopped.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Nah man this is Trump's Great America.

Didn't you get the memo?

We're dropping regulations.

It's great.

They just got in the way anyway.

Head em up and move em out!!

 

[pipeline]

I've got to say I'm not a religious person but I have observed Christian behavior for a long time. In general there is such a misunderstanding by the Christian church of what Jesus was trying to say. He was disgusted by profiteering; so much that he threw down the tables of merchants and chased them off. This makes him a fearsome man who could command such a response. He said that praying (in church) in front of others was so sinful, so as to be unforgivable. Yet most churches are all about showing off how hard you can pray and making money. PURE EVIL.

Pipeline; If you doubt this read Matthew 6 real hard.

Alex Jones has to be the exact opposite to following the teachings and examples of Jesus. Do what you preach and read carefully, preferably a red letter edition.

Unless you believe, and unless you pray, there's no way to know Jesus or what He says. I love Matthew 6, and I understand what it says. Don't worry about it.



Its because of Jesus we have the Holy Spirit which teaches us the truth about all things through prayer and connection to God our Father. Trump is on board with Christ too.

 

[redlaser]

Unless you believe, and unless you pray, there's no way to know Jesus or what He says. I love Matthew 6, and I understand what it says. Don't worry about it.



Its because of Jesus we have the Holy Spirit which teaches us the truth about all things through prayer and connection to God our Father. Trump is on board with Christ too.


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Why is Jesus the only subject that you have to up front, before comprehending, unconditionally believe and pray about before understanding what it’s about?

If that was a requirement for understanding anything else most would consider that odd and over the top.

Sounds like the number one requirement for setting up a cult .

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

How many years old is this planet/the earth - according to the bible?


I was told 50 years ago by a religious education teacher - that the bible dates this world to be around 3,500 years old or so -


* yeah, what is it with always having to pray as a form of communication (which never worked for me) - can't this God just show up and prove its existence - without us having to bend the knee?