Ceramic Metal Halide (CMH)

[tommyboi_420]

its been a long while from my last post

its been a long while from my last post

My Last post on this thread was https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=3186699#post3186699 page 226 so yea things sure have changed

Ok I have read the last 15-20 pages so a few questions I need ansered please

1.are the 400w cmh no more!?!?

2. How good are these new315w bulbs compared to the older 400w cmh?

3.I seen a bulb close to 1000w (980?) that was a cmh and mounts standing up?(will a OG Vertical hood work with that bulb??

4.OG hood thread. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=235451

.Please Please don't make me read from page 226 and up...lol...Thank

 

[Jhhnn]

Last post on this thread was https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=3186699#post3186699 page 226 so yea things sure have changed

Ok I have read the last 15-20 pages so a few questions I need ansered please

1.are the 400w cmh no more!?!?

2. How good are these new315w bulbs compared to the older 400w cmh?

I seen a bulb close to 1000w (980?) that was a cmh and mounts standing up?(will a OG Vertical hood work with that bulb??


.Please Please don't make me read from page 226 and up...lol...Thank

GE makes a 400w CMH replacement lamp for 400w low freq HPS systems. HTG & others sell them as grow lights. unprotected arc tube for enclosed fixtures. universal mounting. nobody here seems to have any experience with them. Philips discontinued their version.

Philips markets a 330w CMH (CDM) replacement lamp for 400w low freq MH ballasts. Protected arc tube for use in open fixtures. Universal mounting. Opinions are mixed. I use one for veg, depending.

Philips offers a 860w CMH (CDM) replacement lamp for 1000w low freq MH ballasts. Protected arc tube for use in open fixtures. Vertical use only. Mixed opinions.

The Philips 315w is beloved by those who have 'em. It's an entirely different new system that requires special electronic ballasts & lamps. Neither are compatible w/ older designs. Upfront costs are high. Rives started a separate thread, a good one.

CMH is emerging technology, so I'm sure there are other lamps out there that we haven't discussed.

 

[liagro]

Below a picture of ePapillon DoubleD CMH fixtures equipped with 942 bulbs in action

 

[stihgnobevoli]

do they make CDM/CMH in 600?

 

[LargePrime]

do they make CDM/CMH in 600?

they have a much older 860W cmh, but the nodern 315 cmh with the great spectrum and light are, apparently, not able to be made at higher wattages.

 

[Ericos]

they have a much older 860W cmh, but the nodern 315 cmh with the great spectrum and light are, apparently, not able to be made at higher wattages.

Actually....
Eye hortilux does make a 660w cmh that runs off a 700w hpmv ballast (high pressure mercury vapor). Its made by there industrial branch from Australia.

I sourced them a while back with summit electric supply( my old job)and mentioned them back in pgs. 400 something. Just haven't acted in trying them yet.

Bulb nomenclature: CM660(F)LS/PRO2/BU
Ballast nomenclature: RH700 CB. #253125

 

[Fishywater]

Below a picture of ePapillon DoubleD CMH fixtures equipped with 942 bulbs in action

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Oh yea...?
Well check my setup. (just kidding)
Just got it wired up and am doing a heat test as I type.
This thing is BRIGHT !
PIC AND VID DOES NO JUSTICE !

CDM

 

[Jhhnn]

Actually....
Eye hortilux does make a 660w cmh that runs off a 700w hpmv ballast (high pressure mercury vapor). Its made by there industrial branch from Australia.

I sourced them a while back with summit electric supply( my old job)and mentioned them back in pgs. 400 something. Just haven't acted in trying them yet.

Bulb nomenclature: CM660(F)LS/PRO2/BU
Ballast nomenclature: RH700 CB. #253125

I think the only way you'll find a ballast in the US is used or old stock. They were banned in the US in 2008. They're now banned in the EU, as well. Lamps are listed as "vintage". There must be some widespread industrial application for EYE to even bother making a replacement CMH lamp. Maybe a marine application, dunno.

http://www.appliance-standards.org/node/6803

 

[Ericos]

Damn that legislation that started back in 2005 but its for the environment so not so mad. Luckily the legislation passed in 08 only banned the ballast. Hortilux came out with that cera arc 660 in 2012-2013. I've seen them mostly on refineries overseas. The US allow the bulbs still for upkeep of existing MV setups. And hortilux still makes the gearing as well. They also quite a few other cmh products designated for MV gearing, maybe its an Aussie thing?

Would need a third party to get them shipped and hope they don't get held up in customs which is likely

Still would be nice to see if they're worth usimg.I love my 860 cmhs slightly more than the 315s but a 660 would seam just right.

 

[Jhhnn]

Damn that legislation that started back in 2005 but its for the environment so not so mad. Luckily the legislation passed in 08 only banned the ballast. Hortilux came out with that cera arc 660 in 2012-2013. I've seen them mostly on refineries overseas. The US allow the bulbs still for upkeep of existing MV setups. And hortilux still makes the gearing as well. They also quite a few other cmh products designated for MV gearing, maybe its an Aussie thing?

Would need a third party to get them shipped and hope they don't get held up in customs which is likely

Still would be nice to see if they're worth usimg.I love my 860 cmhs slightly more than the 315s but a 660 would seam just right.

I doubt that Customs would stop CMH conversion lamps or even MV lamps, both of which are perfectly legal. Ballasts are illegal, however, so they might catch that.

All of the CMH conversion lamps are a kluge of sorts, a good one, a way to provide better light for people with fewer environmental issues while extending usefulness of the ballast infrastructure already in place.

If we think about it at all, indoor cultivation of cannabis is an insanely expensive use of resources only made profitable by world wide prohibition & black market demand.

 

[bwoyrude]

Gavita Digistar + CMD/ CMH lamps

Gavita Digistar + CMD/ CMH lamps

Hello mates,
could any help to deal with the issue of connecting the CMH bulbs to the Digistar ballast.
Gavita Digistar 600EU.
Bubls :
http://reflux.kz/pruducts/metallogalogennye-s-keramicheskoj-gorelkoj

2. The lamp has a scheme with ignitors and electromagnetic ballasts for sodium lamps or in the circuit with electronic ballast for metalloga-Logen lamps.

Reflux DRIKZ 680
Reflux DRIK 350 / DRIKZ 350
Thanks.

Reflux Ltd is a Russian manufacture of HID lamps. Reflux product range covers the entire spectrum of sodium and metal halide lamps. Reflux exclusive product – reflector high pressure sodium (DNaZ/Reflux) and metal halide (DRiZ/Reflux) lamps.Recently, Reflux Ltd developed the serial production of metal halide lamps based on ceramic arc tubes at the range of 35W – 680W. This innovation enables to reach a new level of lighting parameters for illuminating systems.We make individual approach to every client, maintain stable prices for the products, and meet commitments on delivery in proper time.

 

[Mr. Roseberry]

I just did a grow start to finish with my 400w CMH. I'm very happy with the results

Mr. Roseberry

 

[xekki]

thought i'd pop in and let you guys know Thomas @ Advancedtech is MIA again, feel bad for the guy must be having a really hard time lately, I'll chime in again and let you guys know when he's back at it.

these are kicking ass in the veg room, can't wait to see what they can do in flower!
cheers and thanks again you guys

 

[Stephenj37826]

Had anyone tried ventures natural white? Works on digital ballast and is less than 40 before shipping for the 400 watt vertical for digital ballast.

 

[nr nodes]

Had anyone tried ventures natural white? Works on digital ballast and is less than 40 before shipping for the 400 watt vertical for digital ballast. View attachment 306397

Yes, I use the 775 and it rocks. Same as Sunmaster Full Nova except the latter is beefed up for durability and tuned to growshop wattages.

 

[Stephenj37826]

Yes, I use the 775 and it rocks. Same as Sunmaster Full Nova except the latter is beefed up for durability and tuned to growshop wattages.

Wonder what the difference is also because full nova is 6000k vs natural white 5000k as far as spectrum. I'd like to have the two charts in the graph that venture uses.

 

[nr nodes]

Wonder what the difference is also because full nova is 6000k vs natural white 5000k as far as spectrum. I'd like to have the two charts in the graph that venture uses.

I thought that was odd too, but relaying what they told me when I called. Their goto sales guy for customers like us was very knowledgable on the subject. I haven't tried any of the Sunmaster ones. The graphs do look similar, although both just artistic representations.

 

[Stephenj37826]

The arc tubes look different to me. I'm fine with the 400 anyways and they are much cheaper. Also look at the rated life. The one I posted is 90% @ 8000 hours.

 

[nr nodes]

Yes they are for sure, by same I meant same technology and general color distribution. You can compare the arc tube lengths and see they all vary for 400/575/600/775/1K. They also use different shaped outer envelopes. The Natural White line is much bigger, and includes unprotected and coated lamps, plus some designated for horizontal operation at shorter lifespans. The 775 isn't rated for electronic ballasts but we've used them on Lumateks at 750W with no problems for almost a year. One of my bros fired the 575 on a 600W electronic but hasn't run long enough to give an opinion on longevity.

 

[nr nodes]

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