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flashog said:
not really since a 250 or 400 is only going cover so much
BlindDate said:
I don't know the weight of two white widow plants grown under a 400 watt CMH?...but I know the volume...(it's LOUD).
JohnnyToke
Member
nice looking bud collection there.
based on what I can stuff in my qt mason jars, it looks like you have 130-150 grams there.
enjoy.
JT
based on what I can stuff in my qt mason jars, it looks like you have 130-150 grams there.
enjoy.
JT
One could certainly outveg the effectiveness of their flower hid and configuration.
There is a sweet spot, in between too little veg, and too much veg.
Also, in the total picture, time must be accounted for.
You can veg your plants for twice as long as me, but I wil have two harvest in, while you mess around with your many small buds from the one harvest.
Do you see that your logic is also flawed?
I would try to be a little less judgmental, if I were u. (shrug)
There is a sweet spot, in between too little veg, and too much veg.
Also, in the total picture, time must be accounted for.
You can veg your plants for twice as long as me, but I wil have two harvest in, while you mess around with your many small buds from the one harvest.
Do you see that your logic is also flawed?
I would try to be a little less judgmental, if I were u. (shrug)
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flashog
Member
hoosierdaddy said:
Of course you can veg to a point where you won't be able to "max out" your potential, that's not what I'm saying at all.
What I *am* saying is that in order to get a proper measurement of effectiveness, GPW says nothing at all. grams per kilowatt hour makes a lot more sense, and will more clearly show the effectiveness of the grow.
It's like you said: someone might have 2 grows in the same time as someone else only has one. And since GPW does not have a de facto standard in regards to grow style, veg time, pot size, harvest time etc. it's simply moot to measure by it.
I am not being judgemental, I am just using my head.
the effectiveness is in the smoke
flashog, the thing is...GPW can easily be used a comparison standard for our own grows.
True, the figures may or may not relate to another persons grow, but it is a quick and easy way to track our personal accomplishments.
Also, your GPKW also contains flaws as a gauge of a grow. One particular bulb will use the exact same energy as another, yet not net the same yield due to degradation of the bulbs.
But, I will not ask you to think before you post...
True, the figures may or may not relate to another persons grow, but it is a quick and easy way to track our personal accomplishments.
Also, your GPKW also contains flaws as a gauge of a grow. One particular bulb will use the exact same energy as another, yet not net the same yield due to degradation of the bulbs.
But, I will not ask you to think before you post...
Hello all,
My 250 just left Dallas at 9:25A on its way to Sacramento. It should be here on Friday and I will install that night before the light goes on.
I wonder how my flowering SDOG's are going to react to the light these last few weeks?
minds_I
eidt: 8:20p arrived at SAC. It will be here tomorrow on my doorstep.
My 250 just left Dallas at 9:25A on its way to Sacramento. It should be here on Friday and I will install that night before the light goes on.
I wonder how my flowering SDOG's are going to react to the light these last few weeks?
minds_I
eidt: 8:20p arrived at SAC. It will be here tomorrow on my doorstep.
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raygun
Active member
Hello everybody,
Well I think that I am finally going to pick up a CMH. I was thinking of going with 2x100 watters to suppliment my 400 watt HPS. I am growing in a cab similar to a c-13 (2x3x6 aprox dimensions) Currently I have 2 150 CFL's that i use for supplimental blue spectrum.
I have 2 questions:
Those of you whom use the 100's is the heat out put similar to what a 150 CFL puts out? If so I will have no issues keeping the cab cool if they throw more heat it may be an issue.
My other question is can some one direct me to how i can purchase just one of the super HPS V2 that are listed on the Advance Tech website? They show a case is 25 bulbs but I only need 1. I though that Simba had put a link to where we could get them individualy but going back over 135+ pages to find that is going to be a nightmare. I have been following this thread from basically day one and I do believe that he mentioned somthing about that. I have already pm'd him but don't know if or when he will be back on the boards.
Thanks in advance!
Safe Growing
~raygun~
Well I think that I am finally going to pick up a CMH. I was thinking of going with 2x100 watters to suppliment my 400 watt HPS. I am growing in a cab similar to a c-13 (2x3x6 aprox dimensions) Currently I have 2 150 CFL's that i use for supplimental blue spectrum.
I have 2 questions:
Those of you whom use the 100's is the heat out put similar to what a 150 CFL puts out? If so I will have no issues keeping the cab cool if they throw more heat it may be an issue.
My other question is can some one direct me to how i can purchase just one of the super HPS V2 that are listed on the Advance Tech website? They show a case is 25 bulbs but I only need 1. I though that Simba had put a link to where we could get them individualy but going back over 135+ pages to find that is going to be a nightmare. I have been following this thread from basically day one and I do believe that he mentioned somthing about that. I have already pm'd him but don't know if or when he will be back on the boards.
Thanks in advance!
Safe Growing
~raygun~
You are WRONG. Think before you speak.
To those who say that vegging longer will yield more, I would reply that you should veg longer or add more plants. Your grow is not optimized.
Grams per kilowatt hour is a great way to gauge total production over time, but that has nothing to do with the subject. Which, is "how much can a CMH produce on any given grow", hence gpw. Time has nothing to do with it. That CMH throws out an illuminated footprint and it don't matter if you have 30 small plants that vegged a week or one big one that vegged a month. You are going to get a certain number of grams and that's that.
The question remains: How much better can this light blow up those buds vs a HPS?
I don't think the question will be answered until a 600 comes out and the real growers start to use it.
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BlindDate said:
I call shenanigans.
One months veg and 17 weeks of flower
No veg and 21 weeks of flower
My current grow specifically calls for 30 days of veg for maximum yield. Why? Because veg has a profound effect on yield.
flashog
Member
For GPW to be anything but a rough estimate, one needs the following:
2 identical setup (with dfferent lamps for comparison), cloned plants of the best yielding plant possible, unmatched growing skills and knowledge of the strain, no space restrains, etcetera.
When you possess that, I will agree, but as it is now, people can't even agree on what style of growing will yield the best.
If someone comes along and says "I yielded X with Y which is twice what I yielded with Z" doesn't necessarily mean that *you* will yield more with X. Maybe something went wrong under the comparison grow, maybe the grower wasn't expert enough, maybe Z fits your growing style better, maybe maybe maybe.. Too many maybes for this to be used as an accurate measurement of effectiveness.
The GPW measurement *must* come from a very expert grower having done side-by-side comparisons with other lamps or it's just a nonesense number. Even then, it only makes sense when compared with the numbers from the reference grows.
2 identical setup (with dfferent lamps for comparison), cloned plants of the best yielding plant possible, unmatched growing skills and knowledge of the strain, no space restrains, etcetera.
When you possess that, I will agree, but as it is now, people can't even agree on what style of growing will yield the best.
If someone comes along and says "I yielded X with Y which is twice what I yielded with Z" doesn't necessarily mean that *you* will yield more with X. Maybe something went wrong under the comparison grow, maybe the grower wasn't expert enough, maybe Z fits your growing style better, maybe maybe maybe.. Too many maybes for this to be used as an accurate measurement of effectiveness.
The GPW measurement *must* come from a very expert grower having done side-by-side comparisons with other lamps or it's just a nonesense number. Even then, it only makes sense when compared with the numbers from the reference grows.
BlindDate said:
I think you are wrong.
Are you saying that going 12/12 from seed will yield as much as with a 6 month long veg???
grams, if there are enough plants put into flower, then you could yield more than the single vegged for 6 months. Isn't there lots of evidence that a SOG or a ScroG yields better than a single plant method?
flashog, do you admit that your method of GPKW is also flawed and has room for critique?
And if not, how does the grower use your method without first knowing the performance of each individual bulb? And if one were to use your report of GPKW, would they also need to know exactly what the charge per KWH is in each respective area?
IMO, you are just as flawed as the people you were scolding. And I hate to see someone pop off smart-assed to someone (as you did), when they are also lacking.
We are talking about comparisons here, not absolutes. We do understand the difference, yes?
flashog, do you admit that your method of GPKW is also flawed and has room for critique?
And if not, how does the grower use your method without first knowing the performance of each individual bulb? And if one were to use your report of GPKW, would they also need to know exactly what the charge per KWH is in each respective area?
IMO, you are just as flawed as the people you were scolding. And I hate to see someone pop off smart-assed to someone (as you did), when they are also lacking.
We are talking about comparisons here, not absolutes. We do understand the difference, yes?
hoosierdaddy said:
So do you agree with me that GPW is not good enough... we should use GPWPKHPP, or Gram per Watt per KiloWatt/Hour per plants.
I don't really agree with any of it, when considered as a standard.
When using these methods for comparisons of your own grow, then they are fine to use.
Too many other parameters involved for any of these methods to be defacto standards.
When using these methods for comparisons of your own grow, then they are fine to use.
Too many other parameters involved for any of these methods to be defacto standards.
flashog
Member
I admit that GPKWH also has flaws, but it will say more about the "skill" of the grower than GPW will. In my opinion it's a better way to measure, and I *do* realize that there are variables for that too.
All I ever said was that GPW was a stupid way of measuring, I only mentioned GPKWH as an (possibly better) alternative, not as "the only true way bla bla bla".
Flame away.
All I ever said was that GPW was a stupid way of measuring, I only mentioned GPKWH as an (possibly better) alternative, not as "the only true way bla bla bla".
Flame away.
