Carolina Blue x Digital Berry Bx1

[dank.frank]

Oh Chili - Don't get me wrong...I know dude is a stud, or else we wouldn't have geared up a thread for this...hehehe. But to PROVE it, we gotta get that next filial generation going...hehehe. That won't be an issue! Historically, I'd say that your BlueBubble male breed many prepotent traits into his offspring, such as resin content/coverage, faster flowering times, and CERTAINLY passed the blueberry flavor along to others. That tells me terepene profile is something the digital breeds prepotent and likely dominant for. Hoping my selection allows those three things to STILL be passed as it was with your male....plus hoping to give CB some side branches. The Carolina Blue seems to breed prepotent for resin type(sticky icky icky), structure/growth profile, and terepene profiles. Really, without having seen a broad enough population, I can not say that both plants breed dominant, although I do in fact think they would, I feel I have a good view of what gene traits we can expect to show face in the offspring...

I mean, really...a 60-65 day plant that gives about 2.5x stretch a

You know, I'd love one of you true blue heads to break it down long term lineage...
I tried some where...it is something like...

{BB sativa x [SPG x (SPG x Temple Flo BB)] x (True BB x BB)} *x* Digital Berry aka BB x (Digital Berry x Sour Bubble Bx2)

Great to see some of you folks outta the DJ forums...hehehe...you'll stop squinting, I know - it's a bit bright out here at first... hahaHAHA!


I am HOPING that the modern blueberry is far enough removed from the Digital Berry that we reunite and recombine some of those blue genetic traits and manage to bring more than a couple to the surface in one single package.

And for the sake of specifics...would it not be an F1? Granted it is all blueberry for the most part in this mix but you do have to distinct generations, long separated, more than definitely different ends of the expressions (so line breeding makes since too). But this is the FIRST combination. The P1 are the CB and the DB Bx1, respectively...making the resulting offspring the F1 generation.

If I'm off, call TomHill or Chimera here to beat me good and proper because I didn't study enough...hehehe!!




dank.Frank

 

[Guest58392]

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[dank.frank]

See the Sour Bubble part is funny because I can show you pics of a stellar female from the Bx1 and you clearly see some of the Sour Bubble in the expression in the Digital Berry still. But I think it kind of in a positive way though...it certainly doesn't overshadow anything in the Bx1...and that is odd because I find Sour Bubble in general to dominate many aspects of it's offspring. The fact the Digital Berry is not even close to over shadowed by it also leads me to believe Digital to be a plant that breeds rather dominant alleles into her offspring. Thus making it PROBABLY more worth while at this point to find a Bx2 male of the Digital Berry and hit the Carolina Blue clone again.

In regards to Carolina being all GK...nah. Slackx did a CB x Chem IBL and I've not seen him post much since. Think he fell into weed nirvana and floated away. But from his experience growing the CB clone and BS 2.2 and his own outcross with Chem IBL, he said the Carolina pheno is essentially Blue Sat 2.2 that got messed up by Grape Krush. And he said this with all due respect in that everything he saw good about Carolina, he saw in Blue Sat. and saw no need for the outcross in the first place. While this is also very possible, as there were other phenos in the seeds that Phillthy found that were less that keeper...I wouldn't say she is useless as a hybrid. (having never actually grown BS 2.2 itself) See, the GK genes are IN THERE. They are present and can be accessed. It is another layer to peel back and provides more expressions in future generations and better blue combinations in the future generations, in theory of course. Slackx also noted that Carolina bred very well to Chem IBL and made him pretty much the exact same plant as Carolina +potency, + added skunky funk...but the rest or her was all retained, nothing lost. The potential for Carolina to breed true to type is rather and interesting perk, if it be the case. With people already growing out Phillthy's Carolina Blue x Swt#4, we should once again see how she breeds. Myself especially because I have run KKSC x Swt#4 by Phillthy using the same Swt#4 father...so, I have a round about knowledge again of what I expect to see when people post in regards to those plants and how much I hope and what I expect of Carolina to come through in those hybrids...means nothing definitive, but it helps me to start connecting the dots in my mind in as many ways as possible.

Bohempian - The Carolina Blue sisters, there were three or four of them I think, were all very much the same...but all subpar quality. It is interesting how extremely...extremely different she was....crazy in fact. Arawn, the creator of the seed line that produced the CB pheno, says ALL his plants he ran from BS 2.2 or the x GK hybrid are not quite as stand out as her, but were by no means entirely dismissible...I say the ones I saw, were. Whether that means there is extreme diversity in the seed line that CB came from or just I've misunderstood things from others along the way...(pretty sure not though). I truly believe Carolina Blue, IF SHE BREEDS SOMETHING BETTER THAN HERSELF EVERY TIME, will truly then qualify for "elite" status. She is by without doubt keeper all day...as is the male.

I see what you are saying about line breeding vs F1. You are saying it isn't a TRUE F1 because we are combining two poly-hybrid lines...as opposed to two pure or stabilized lines to each other. The TRUE F1 would be the digi mom x (insert pure BB line).

That being said, I want to restate that the biggest legend in ALL this work is probably the Bluebubble male that Chili found. He really produced some epic offspring. I can only hope, as I'm sure Chili does...that we have been graced with another era of such a quality pollen.

Hmmm... just some chatter...


dank.Frank

 

[Chili_berkster]

I dig this thread. Just love learning and reading about it. Tom will be dissapointed that i didnt buy 2 books tho. (principles of plant breeding) and (selection method in plant breeding).

 

[dank.frank]

Thanks, bro! Glad to have you along for pointers and help along the way. Certainly helps to have the extra experience the forums provide...makes me feel a bit smarter than I probably should...hehehe.

I have a list he got for me too...textbooks! LOL!!! I got the first one and have been working through it, but...lol...Where'd I put that list again...hahahaha!

**edit** It should be noted that Slackx is another one of Tom's chat room students provided a reading list and he quickly soaked that stuff up...much more so than myself. I expect his statements are precise and intentionally correct in his wordings...which I stumble across at best in my attempts! Slackx did fine work with those CB x Chem IBL. When we have seeds done here, we will run a gamut of Carolina Crosses all side by side! (x IBL, x Swt#4, x DB Bx1)

dank.Frank

 

[THE PABLOS]

....you are treading in the deep end dude. Beautiful expressions...drenched in Blue...bringing the berry back over to the indica? Nice.

Looking at the history...that the Grape Krush came in from the male side...to me...that is an important footnote. I've worked both GK and BS 2.2 in outcrosses...multiple Xs in multiple directions....can say: they always show up (being that the Blues are difficult to wash over)...and that I favor any straight Blue line used (in outcrosses) to come from the male side....though I'm also aware that Sour Bubble (Bubba Kush sort of line) is one of those heavy indica expressions that tend to dominate crosses.

Looks like you are having fun...the lines criss crossing themselves out in dominance...

 

[SuperConductor]

This thread is definitely going to be dense with knowledge lol Bringing back the indica to berry land is a good idea imo. Once you do that it's an easy step to cross with a worked bberry sativa line to make some hopefully much more vigorous berry 'f1s'. The kind that would make berrybelievers of even the most cynical of ppm pushers lol
There's a bberry cut i'm trying to get my hands on that's from a line worked towards the thai side for 3 generations that might fit the bill, if only it wasn't so attractive to bugs i'd have it by now. How is sourbubble for bug resistance?

 

[Phillthy]

that reminds me i still have some CB x Chem IBL to crack

 

[Chili_berkster]

here is a look at franks stud. in flower about 9 days from pollen. and here is a look at the digi mom around 49 days flower. smells so damn sweet and fruity. is it live or is it memorex?

 

[dank.frank]

Seems the "UF" pheno I have is just not quite the plant the mother is. Mommy looks to be a better structure / yield...mine seems to lean a bit more sativa...but with of a Sour Bubble twist, somehow...lol. Ohhhh the many expressions! Verrrrrrrry close though. She is a good pic. Bx1 Ix indeed needed.

That male...want to name him "sawtooth" just because of how bloody serrated his fans get. Never seen one quite like it...that and they edges at the serrations "unfold" in this oddly chiseled way....kinda cool to watch him grow. Wait till you see him stretch out...perfectly even at EVERY internode straight down to what would be popcorn on a female. I'm certainly glad you approve! I would have hated to never produce anything of measure from the extension...

Sexy fall colors @ 49 days...hahaha. BOMB!


dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

The Pablos - not really trying to go indica or sativa really. I'm in pursuit of a cannabinoid profile more so than anything. Means I have a lot of test smoking in my future.

d.F = Full Spectrum Jr. hahahaha

But really, just trying to follow what I enjoy smoking and to a degree trying to resist falling victim to growing what everybody else does...but there is sooooo much good herb out there these days. For those who would know...there should be a weed themed pokemon spoof....gotta catch 'em all! (don't let that comment reflect back on my manhood.... )

Which, sir, was in part inspired by your own pursuit of pleasure and the clear enjoyment of yourself in your garden for you...I needed a bit of that in my own life. It's a spiritual thing for me in sorts... No better venue to pursue such a concert with than blueberry...

Glad you made it over here!


dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

Selection Comparisons...

Selection Comparisons...

I made mention that the "DJ club cut" pictured by another member had very similar leaves to the Carolina Blue mother....and that it was a good indication as to what degree of quality she is...but you can also see the similarities via the dark purple stems and general plant structure as well...

So, to show that a bit better:

And the DJ cut again:

Just a few more views at what I'm seeing that I like...


dank.Frank

 

[GP73LPC]

nice

 

[dank.frank]

I've just read my own thread and enjoyed it...thanks for the contributions and friendly faces!

I can't wait for these seeds to be done!


dank.Frank

 

[SOTF420]

Much love and good karma for your happily growing salad toppers DF!

Growing plants for seed is a very noble act indeed.

 

[guest3901]

Wow..who would of thunk that my little pollen chuck I did years ago would inspire..
I still feel like I got lucky with that,so I say most of the credit goes to Phillthy for his keen eye.
And it sure sounds like you know what your doing DF..this should be very interesting to say the least..

 

[rasputin]

Off topic! What else is on Tom's recommended reading list? I already have one of the books Chili mentioned. The other is impossible to find on the net and Amazon wants like two hundo for a copy.

 

[guest3901]

I thought id put these up again just to show what the mom&dad of CB looked like..

 

[The Revolution]

I apologize if i missed it but i just read thru the thread>>>What are the parents of the Caroline Blue? I caught the Blue Satellite 2.2, but which was the male and which was the female? Very interesting project DankFrank. I am subscribed to the thread, and am excited to see it progress.

I have began outcrossing the Dabney Blu clone, partly to try to conclude its genetic make up. Im curious if it is infact, an offshoot of the blueberry line as some have deemed. Also to preserve and elaborate on the current profile.
So far, Ive hybridized it with a pure afghani, dubbing the progeny "Daphney Blu". Ive made f2s of that hybrid.

The Plants I found in the Dabney Blu x Afghan, have been outstanding to say the least. Very UNIQUE 7 terpene profiles. Great properties showing up so far. The buzz is very clear, and potent at the same time. The afghani has proven to dominate in other hybrid crosses, but there are a larger majority of Dabney Blu type plants in this one. I will be growing out a couple hundred of the Daphney Blu f2s in the summer outdoor season, and plan to make a thread to document that.
I am also currently brainstorming other hybrids and have considered a BX. On the list is Sweet Tooth #3 x Daphney Blu
Daphney Blu x Sweet Tooth #3
Daphney Blu x Blue Satellite 2.2
(Chocolate Thai x Oaxacan Gold) x Daphney Blu
Sour 60 x Daphney Blu

still brainstorming, but Im very excited to see what I find in the 2nd filial gen to say the least. Keep up the work

 

[Chili_berkster]

couple more looks at the digiberry took it to 50 days and harvested