A great thread HL, really looking forward to the final conclusion and evaluation of the different mixes you used..... Just a little confused about how I do this "Truffling" you speak of 
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Canna Boost V Molasses - side by side comparison.
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Thank-you gentlemen
Thank-you gentlemen
You are too kind Kanye, you will be fine now your going coco, always knew you was a nut!, thank-you my friend.
Speak of the Devil, well speaking of nuts
Hey CC, nice to see you out and about.
You must have seen the guy's in the mountains with beagles or trained pigs 'truffling'?. nose first into the dirt, hunting fungus, I don't want to find fungus of course but I get a good a idea of the real scent, inside the bud, undiluted by the air, through truffling
Thanks for popping in buddy.
Thank-you gentlemen
You are too kind Kanye, you will be fine now your going coco, always knew you was a nut!
, thank-you my friend.A great thread HL, really looking forward to the final conclusion and evaluation of the different mixes you used..... Just a little confused about how I do this "Truffling" you speak of
Speak of the Devil, well speaking of nuts
Hey CC, nice to see you out and about.You must have seen the guy's in the mountains with beagles or trained pigs 'truffling'?. nose first into the dirt, hunting fungus, I don't want to find fungus of course but I get a good a idea of the real scent, inside the bud, undiluted by the air, through truffling
Thanks for popping in buddy.
Hazy lady thanks for a really good read , read it all . didnt want it to end .
your results so far coincide with my test i have done over the years .
i have found the boost can knock of a few weeks but doesnt reduce yield .
an i use the same mallasus as you , i give my plants the lower dose of boost till they kick into full flower then the higher dose , the mallasis dont clog my drippers either . i have been adding both and it is a better finished taste to .
the canna flush really does work to , and the zym .
GREAT THREAD will be watching till the end , i am interested to see what the taste difference is like on the groups ...
your results so far coincide with my test i have done over the years .
i have found the boost can knock of a few weeks but doesnt reduce yield .
an i use the same mallasus as you , i give my plants the lower dose of boost till they kick into full flower then the higher dose , the mallasis dont clog my drippers either . i have been adding both and it is a better finished taste to .
the canna flush really does work to , and the zym .
GREAT THREAD will be watching till the end , i am interested to see what the taste difference is like on the groups ...
Strangely
Member
'What are you short of to start a grow S?, good to see you.'
Power in the loft is the most obvious hurdle. Have micro cab design pretty much sorted (thanks Scrubninja), coco with wicks (thanks Mistress), nutes (thanks Hazylady!) so really just need to get on with messing up a few grows of Blueberry!
Close up shots deffo help to show the differences, even I can spot it! Just smoke report and weights now! 'Citing!!
Power in the loft is the most obvious hurdle. Have micro cab design pretty much sorted (thanks Scrubninja), coco with wicks (thanks Mistress), nutes (thanks Hazylady!) so really just need to get on with messing up a few grows of Blueberry!
Close up shots deffo help to show the differences, even I can spot it! Just smoke report and weights now! 'Citing!!
smallfry707
Member
very interesting thread. im curious to which would yield the best. Im guessing D
G
Greyskull
quality and quantity you can see, smell, and feel. wow. i am totally not surprised haha
great thread....
Thank-you gentlemen
Thank-you gentlemen
but it does look like Boost can quicken harvest times, used along side Molasses it has improved the scent and increased the crystal production.
If the smoke tests confirm an increase in flavour/taste comparable to the increase in the aroma I am seeing, ( smelling) this combination will prove a real plus?
Glad you dropped in, and thanks again for the kind words
Hey Strangely, Oh, I can't help you with power, but I can tell you to do it right, I am sure I don't need to tell you not to mess with electric. Never worth cutting corners or bi-passing meters, too many are caught that way.
If it was equipment etc I am sure most of us have something sat around that could be working, or growing. Glad the pics helped you S
Hello smallfry, You are kind, I think you are a good guesser
Nice to see you here
Hee heee
Mmmm, It's such a shame I can't do my posts in crayon just for you 
Good to see you
Thank-you gentlemen
Thank you GB, I am loathe to say because Sod has a way of slapping my bottom,Hazy lady thanks for a really good read , read it all . didnt want it to end .
your results so far coincide with my test i have done over the years .
i have found the boost can knock of a few weeks but doesnt reduce yield .
an i use the same mallasus as you , i give my plants the lower dose of boost till they kick into full flower then the higher dose , the mallasis dont clog my drippers either . i have been adding both and it is a better finished taste to .
the canna flush really does work to , and the zym .
GREAT THREAD will be watching till the end , i am interested to see what the taste difference is like on the groups ...
but it does look like Boost can quicken harvest times, used along side Molasses it has improved the scent and increased the crystal production. If the smoke tests confirm an increase in flavour/taste comparable to the increase in the aroma I am seeing, ( smelling) this combination will prove a real plus?
Glad you dropped in, and thanks again for the kind words
Hey Strangely, Oh, I can't help you with power, but I can tell you to do it right, I am sure I don't need to tell you not to mess with electric. Never worth cutting corners or bi-passing meters, too many are caught that way.
If it was equipment etc I am sure most of us have something sat around that could be working, or growing. Glad the pics helped you S
Hello smallfry, You are kind, I think you are a good guesser
Nice to see you here
quality and quantity you can see, smell, and feel. wow. i am totally not surprised haha
great thread....
Hee heee
Mmmm, It's such a shame I can't do my posts in crayon just for you Good to see you
Strangely
Member
christ no! I mean I'm doing my sums to see if the 5 amp limit on my lighting circuit is enough to do the trick and save me the massive hassle of running the mains supply (my own!) up into the loft. It seems it will be fine having got Scrubninja and some kind folks on his PC fan thread help with the sums!
Some Qs or you from further back in the thread if you'd be so kind hazy... What are Nanas? What is fox tailing? And if you're feeling charitable info wise, seeds... Seem to be pretty much 100% online, what's the stealthiest method of payment, do any rock Paypal? Last thing, blueberry, it's not too sativa based is it as I'll be growing in limited height? xx
CovertCrops
Member
Great Read Hazy Lady! Thanks for taking the time to do this test. I know I personally was waiting to see a trial before I spent the money on the boost. Very good thread!
Anything for you Strangely
Anything for you Strangely
Hi S', anytime my friend.
Nanas = Male 'balls', if you see when fully formed the male flower hangs like a little ubrella, under the canopy you have 5 yellow pollen sacs that are just like peeled bananas, you may have seen them at the top of a cola?, at the end of flowering you may see single, brolly-less nanas poking out of the flowers, more often than not they are sterile and the plant is near done but they 'could' mess up a younger lady in the same room.
Here I found a great pic showing them, below
Foxtails are the little towers of calyx, one on top of the other that go out in all directions usually at the top of Sativa, Sativa based plants though some Indicas can also grow them, they don't mean anything much, just very pretty and a good sign you are near completion of any plant showing them.
Below, some short foxtails on the mum of my test plant's RIP, sorry for the pic quality, old camera
Seed's, I have been using Seedbay (and will use them very soon,Toms Haze is going in this week
)
I send cash, I send guarenteed delivery, usually next day, you pay around £2, you get a bill with a tracking number on, you'll know when your money got there, if it doesn't you are covered for £100, no adress or sig from you needed. I think it is perfect for UK - UK post, usually have your order a week later, I had a 6 day with a weekend in the middle so can be faster. Paypal won't cover any losses for seed buy's, you are not supposed to use Paypal but I heard one seed site does but the name escapes me? Use Seedbay, cheap, reliable, Sam's Orig' Haze x Skunk freebies, great stealth package too, obviously I can't speak on here but it is good, I assumed mine was something else and I was waiting on my order!.
Blueberry is not Sativa based, you should be fine, I love Blueberry, need to find a real good cut cough cough, I am in no rush cough cough.
I hope that helps S.
Well I am glad it has helped you Covert', Looks like a bit of Boost and Molasses together has the desired effect, just as well the Molasses costs pennies, be sure to come back for the last week
thanks for the kind words.
Anything for you Strangely
Hi S', anytime my friend.
Nanas = Male 'balls', if you see when fully formed the male flower hangs like a little ubrella, under the canopy you have 5 yellow pollen sacs that are just like peeled bananas, you may have seen them at the top of a cola?, at the end of flowering you may see single, brolly-less nanas poking out of the flowers, more often than not they are sterile and the plant is near done but they 'could' mess up a younger lady in the same room.
Here I found a great pic showing them, below
Foxtails are the little towers of calyx, one on top of the other that go out in all directions usually at the top of Sativa, Sativa based plants though some Indicas can also grow them, they don't mean anything much, just very pretty and a good sign you are near completion of any plant showing them.
Below, some short foxtails on the mum of my test plant's RIP, sorry for the pic quality, old camera
Seed's, I have been using Seedbay (and will use them very soon,Toms Haze is going in this week
) I send cash, I send guarenteed delivery, usually next day, you pay around £2, you get a bill with a tracking number on, you'll know when your money got there, if it doesn't you are covered for £100, no adress or sig from you needed. I think it is perfect for UK - UK post, usually have your order a week later, I had a 6 day with a weekend in the middle so can be faster. Paypal won't cover any losses for seed buy's, you are not supposed to use Paypal but I heard one seed site does but the name escapes me? Use Seedbay, cheap, reliable, Sam's Orig' Haze x Skunk freebies, great stealth package too, obviously I can't speak on here but it is good, I assumed mine was something else and I was waiting on my order!.
Blueberry is not Sativa based, you should be fine, I love Blueberry, need to find a real good cut cough cough
, I am in no rush cough cough.I hope that helps S.
Well I am glad it has helped you Covert', Looks like a bit of Boost and Molasses together has the desired effect, just as well the Molasses costs pennies, be sure to come back for the last week
thanks for the kind words.
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potential 'foxtailing' influences, from imaginary/fictitious gardening
-cheapo red party lights (far red light)
-decreasing light regime from 12/12 to 11/13, 10/14, 9/15, 8/16
-turning off 1-2 lights so that a shaded area is created
-raising/lowering/angling lights so shaded area is created
enjoy your garden!
Strangely
Member
Thank you very much Hazy (and mistress). The perfect answers really!
Roughly where abouts are you in Blighty Hazy, North, South? I'm in the sunny, frankly tropical north-west, nearer Rooney than Gerard.
cough cough give me a few months to finish loft and cab and a few more to stop messing things up and I'll see what I can do! cough cough
Roughly where abouts are you in Blighty Hazy, North, South? I'm in the sunny, frankly tropical
north-west, nearer Rooney than Gerard.cough cough give me a few months to finish loft and cab and a few more to stop messing things up and I'll see what I can do! cough cough
Many thanks
Many thanks
Thank-you *mistress*
Hi Strangely, You're welcome
I am in the Smoke S', My late husband was from "God's country" M/C , it must have been where Noah docked the Arc, he was from round Belle Vue Zoo
BTW, I was reminded earlier on, there are some Sativa leaning Blueberry plants
, they are few and far between but do exist.
Many thanks
Thank-you *mistress*
Thank you very much Hazy (and mistress). The perfect answers really!
Roughly where abouts are you in Blighty Hazy, North, South? I'm in the sunny, frankly tropical
cough cough give me a few months to finish loft and cab and a few more to stop messing things up and I'll see what I can do! cough cough
Hi Strangely, You're welcome
I am in the Smoke S', My late husband was from "God's country" M/C , it must have been where Noah docked the Arc, he was from round Belle Vue Zoo
BTW, I was reminded earlier on, there are some Sativa leaning Blueberry plants
, they are few and far between but do exist.
stoneypenguin
Member
Interesting. Everyone around here seems to think foxtailing its 100% genetic. Ive always thought it has something to do with both genetics and lighting. Do you think its caused by too much light? Too much light from a certain spectrum?
Foxtails look kinda cool, but I would much rather just have dense nugs.
even 45 day veggies get @ least 60 days...
during final 2 weeks, try to replicate autumn/fall, w/ purple + red party lights, longer/warmer nights - then cool right @ dawn
run vert 1ks...
move lights up & down, depending on maturity of plants...
when plants get rotated during flowering, the sides of the plant that is furthest away from the light seems to consistently get denser, grow taller & push out foxtails.
the red & purple party lights around perimeter...
even when red party lights turned out, plants that were shaded due to other 1/2 of tree partially blocking light from 1ks...ieg, shade... made the foxtails appear.
attempt to replicate different arc of suns path as days shorten...ieg, the tops of the plants are deprived of light, slightly...
lights are lowered (vert bare bulb), so that light source is on sides of plants, not tops...
& aurora borealis, etc...so, to accompany this effect, move light schedule back slowly...
12/12, 11.5/13.5, etc, etc down to 8/16 by ~63-77 days... depending...
could be all factors combined... but, the less the tops seem to receive direct light, & the more they are slightly shaded & the angle of the light is diagonal... foxtails appear on pure i's to i/s to pure s's... initially on dark/shaded side, but can be done to entire plant if slowly turn over week or so...
basically stacking of the flowers. similar to dead-heading roses, w/out removing the terminal flowers. just decreasing & altering the way they receive light energy, which in turn redirects this energy to side of the plant that is severely lacking... ivho...
ideally, this is done after full flower-set, when want to fully develop flowers by changing environmental conditions.
hope this helps. enjoy your garden!
during final 2 weeks, try to replicate autumn/fall, w/ purple + red party lights, longer/warmer nights - then cool right @ dawn
run vert 1ks...
move lights up & down, depending on maturity of plants...
when plants get rotated during flowering, the sides of the plant that is furthest away from the light seems to consistently get denser, grow taller & push out foxtails.
the red & purple party lights around perimeter...
even when red party lights turned out, plants that were shaded due to other 1/2 of tree partially blocking light from 1ks...ieg, shade... made the foxtails appear.
attempt to replicate different arc of suns path as days shorten...ieg, the tops of the plants are deprived of light, slightly...
lights are lowered (vert bare bulb), so that light source is on sides of plants, not tops...
& aurora borealis, etc...so, to accompany this effect, move light schedule back slowly...
12/12, 11.5/13.5, etc, etc down to 8/16 by ~63-77 days... depending...
could be all factors combined... but, the less the tops seem to receive direct light, & the more they are slightly shaded & the angle of the light is diagonal... foxtails appear on pure i's to i/s to pure s's... initially on dark/shaded side, but can be done to entire plant if slowly turn over week or so...
basically stacking of the flowers. similar to dead-heading roses, w/out removing the terminal flowers. just decreasing & altering the way they receive light energy, which in turn redirects this energy to side of the plant that is severely lacking... ivho...
ideally, this is done after full flower-set, when want to fully develop flowers by changing environmental conditions.
hope this helps. enjoy your garden!
Hey stoneyp'
Hey stoneyp'
Hello stoneypenguin I am sure our *mistress* will answer soon enough. ********
I believe it is genetic but heat/light can exaggerate the tails, seed plants seem more affected than the cuts too, this pic is a Haze hybrid that didn't like the light or heat, you can see it is a little wilder than your average foxtailing.
Please excuse the quality of the pic.
******** I have a terrible habit of starting a post then getting sidetracked so didn't know *m* had posted in the hour I was elsewhere
Hey stoneyp'
Hello stoneypenguin
I am sure our *mistress* will answer soon enough. ********I believe it is genetic but heat/light can exaggerate the tails, seed plants seem more affected than the cuts too, this pic is a Haze hybrid that didn't like the light or heat, you can see it is a little wilder than your average foxtailing.
Please excuse the quality of the pic.
******** I have a terrible habit of starting a post then getting sidetracked so didn't know *m* had posted in the hour I was elsewhere
The Final Countdown
The Final Countdown
As I had reported where we are up to in some detail Wednesday, I didn't really have a lot to add 2 days later, (Friday) for my weekly update.
But we are near the end now, so to bring us right up to date :-
The plants are in the 11th week of bloom (12/12) having completed 70 days on Thurs/Fri. They are in the 3rd week of flushing ( 2 week & 3 days) and are getting very yellow now( pic below) but all buds and bud leaves are in excellent condition.
I should say I didn't want to be moving the plants in the last week or so as I don't want to stress them in any way.
I have a bunch of plants in various stages of flower so the last thing I want is a stress born nana spoiling them, I am planning some pollen chucking as soon as the test plants are out of the way so want them kept pure.
I think by Tuesday, Wednesday all plants should be in the harvest window* and so I will chop then, I planned to take the usual pics of the whole plants just to finish things diary wise, then remove all fans and larger bud leaves for more pics, this should give a better idea of the differences.
After 5 or 6 days I will get some pics of the near dry buds before they go into jars, I will be following *mistress*'s suggestion for impressions & smoke tests. I will check out the weights at this point although as *m* points out it wasn't the main concern in this instance. I will post pics etc at each stage.
*mistress*
The conclusions I will do pre-cure, I am certain the cure will improve all buds but not in a way that would alter the results of the test - I am open to debate that of course!
I was just talking about posting pics of buds in scales,( at home, not in the post!) how easy it is to fake them, but anyway I will post mine that way and you'll have to trust me or not.
And I guess to conclude, 2 months after going into the jars I will do full smoke test, breathe a huge sigh of relief, tear my clothes off, play Reelin' in the years at full blast and hare round the house like a 16 year old
Below, plants getting pretty yellow now in the 3rd week flushing.
The Final Countdown
As I had reported where we are up to in some detail Wednesday, I didn't really have a lot to add 2 days later, (Friday) for my weekly update.
But we are near the end now, so to bring us right up to date :-
The plants are in the 11th week of bloom (12/12) having completed 70 days on Thurs/Fri. They are in the 3rd week of flushing ( 2 week & 3 days) and are getting very yellow now( pic below) but all buds and bud leaves are in excellent condition.
I should say I didn't want to be moving the plants in the last week or so as I don't want to stress them in any way.
I have a bunch of plants in various stages of flower so the last thing I want is a stress born nana spoiling them, I am planning some pollen chucking as soon as the test plants are out of the way so want them kept pure.
I think by Tuesday, Wednesday all plants should be in the harvest window* and so I will chop then, I planned to take the usual pics of the whole plants just to finish things diary wise, then remove all fans and larger bud leaves for more pics, this should give a better idea of the differences.
After 5 or 6 days I will get some pics of the near dry buds before they go into jars, I will be following *mistress*'s suggestion for impressions & smoke tests. I will check out the weights at this point although as *m* points out it wasn't the main concern in this instance. I will post pics etc at each stage.
*mistress*
The conclusions I will do pre-cure, I am certain the cure will improve all buds but not in a way that would alter the results of the test - I am open to debate that of course!
I was just talking about posting pics of buds in scales,( at home, not in the post!) how easy it is to fake them, but anyway I will post mine that way and you'll have to trust me or not
.And I guess to conclude, 2 months after going into the jars I will do full smoke test, breathe a huge sigh of relief, tear my clothes off, play Reelin' in the years at full blast and hare round the house like a 16 year old
Below, plants getting pretty yellow now in the 3rd week flushing.
I just started my flush too, I'm at day 53 and their last feed was day 45. Since then they have had two doses of water with molasses, today they got 2 litres each of plain water and they will get 2 or 3 more good hefty doses of plain water before they get the chop at day 60-ish.
I found out that the local farmers store sells animal feed grade molasses for 6.50 for 5 litres, which is a quarter the price of buying jars of molasses from the healthfood shop. It is just unsulphured blackstrap molasses and should work just a well, this 5 litre size is gonna last me a long time!
I found out that the local farmers store sells animal feed grade molasses for 6.50 for 5 litres, which is a quarter the price of buying jars of molasses from the healthfood shop. It is just unsulphured blackstrap molasses and should work just a well, this 5 litre size is gonna last me a long time!
Smokeythbear
Member
I don't know peoples thoughts on Jorge Cervantes, but in his book he says that adding sugar (molasses) can add 20% weight to buds.
