Canna Boost V Molasses - side by side comparison.

[Hazy Lady]

Many Thanks All

Many Thanks All

My yeast method is about .5 litres of warm water, one teaspoon of dried yeast, and two dessertspoons of sugar in a 1 litre pop bottle. That definitely won't overflow, and after two days you can add a tiny bit more yeast and one dessertspoon of sugar - it'll froth up quick, so don't shake it at all! Run that for another day, and then chuck it all down the toilet - not the sink, as it'll stink for days! And then just do it again.

I've got two bottles in now, and it's really, really making a difference - on of the OTMs I have is absolutely huge.

Most interesting EM, thank-you for your input

Hi Eman, thanks for stopping by. Damn, I got my CO2 all wrong! I almost filled the bottle with water, then gave it a good shake so it frothed everywhere!

I shall replace the bottle today putting only half a litre of water in and fresh yeast and sugar.

Coco rocks BTW, if you water it daily you can get hydro results, if you treat it like soil, you'll get soil results, for me, the best point is theway it's so forgiving of mistakes - mess up and you can just flush it out. The other thing I like is the way you can tweak your feeding ad infinitum.

That sounds like something I would do, I would shake it right below a hot lamp!.

Indi'

Coco rocks BTW, if you water it daily you can get hydro results, if you treat it like soil, you'll get soil results,

Good way to put it Indi

Indi'

I have switched to a coco based organic soil mix of my own concoction, but this is more because I love playing with different grow techniques than any lack of love for coco growing, I will probably go back to straight coco after a couple of organic soil runs.

Can we take it you don't think you lose any flavour growing in coco?, as I for one , do.
Thanks Man!

this may be helpful:
unlimited cheap c02
thread from previous incarnation...
hope this helps. enjoy your garden!

Please read original post a space up to save space.

@*mistress* Thank-you, this is the way I would go to prove it first worked, nice and inexpensive.
Where do people land regarding the ideal temp range *m*?
The only figure I have stuck in my head is 1400/1500! I am inclined to think that is Co2 ppm's not Fahrenheit!
Thanks again *m* you're a dear

aagreed hehe

but id like to see what univeristy report gives negative feedback on coco?

please add link?!

peace

Hi bones, Me too Brother, I would like to see more on this altogether.
I doubt it was MJ they grew, why would any school need enter that minefield?, any vegetable or range of vegetables would suffice.
I would still like to see some poor results all the same, there may be lessons to learn?, even if it is only that students make lousy plantsmen/women!

@ grow-nerd, what thread did Burnt Rope say that in? Ta

The other day I was saying how now the clocks have gone back here it doesn't get light enough before 9am to do my pics before light-off!, I did this weeks at night as I was late. So I am sat here watching the sunrise for the last 15 mins before it 'dawned' on me that the clocks going back actually helps me, gives me an hour extra hour of light whichever way I look at it.
I am quite good a day or two AFTER a crisis

 

[*mistress*]

@*mistress* Thank-you, this is the way I would go to prove it first worked, nice and inexpensive.
Where do people land regarding the ideal temp range *m*?
The only figure I have stuck in my head is 1400/1500! I am inclined to think that is Co2 ppm's not Fahrenheit!
Thanks again *m* you're a dear

ideal temp range in imaginary garden is 78-88+*f (25-31*c). this is day+night. temps are lowered to ~65*f (18*c) ~1hr before dawn (lights on). this is when plants seem to register temps, vpd, root temps, etc. can make plant register long cold night if alter diff @ this time. maintain the schedule, as plants register avg daily/weekly temps as well...
of course, convention states 72*f is ideal, maybe 80*f w/ c02. 85*f makes the tomatoes ...

have never ran machine to produce c02 in fictitious garden. seems 1000-2000 ppms constant c02 is generally accepted as efficient. some (greenhouses; cea) go up to 10,000 to kill pests, etc.

http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/CO2/bubble-counter.html
diy bubble counter

http://www.swelluk.com/aquarium/aqu...medic-blasenzahler-co2-bubble-counter-90.html
cheapo bubble counter

have never used either of these. but aquarium & home brew hobbyists use them often. best way to know if c02 is being created is to shake container & see if froth forms. if it doesnt, needs more juice &/or sugar.

this may also be helpful:
The how to and why fors of CO2 supplementation for growers
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=141160
member Lazyman did good tech.

enjoy your garden!

 

[Hazy Lady]

Thank-you *mistress*

Thank-you *mistress*

Hi *m* Looks like I am out of the ideal temp range then.
My place can't go lower than 20*C (68*F) and during Winter rises at lights on to 24*C (75*F) Summer is not really much better, my lowest temp remains around the same, just gets 2 or 3 degrees warmer never above 27*C (80*F)
Still, it is fine for 'normal' growing , Thank-you *mistress*

 

[Hazy Lady]

Say it ain't so Indi'

Say it ain't so Indi'

@ Indi', You're not doing lines of those powders are you?

 

[indifferent]

Hahaha

The stanley knife blade is what I use for scraping oil off the pyrex purging plate! lol

You can see an oily stain on one end. Well spotted my dear, gave me a nice chuckle when I saw your post!

 

[Strangely]

Oooh ooh I think I might actually be able to contribute here. Those having a little fun with CO2, remember it's heavier than air. So make sure you add groovy little pipes that run to your plants soil level or higher, or all that lovely CO2 lingers around the base of the pots and doesn't get used as well.

What was the general consensus on a good 2 part nute? No one really coming back on more relevant threads and Hazy has attracted some 'big hitters' kissass over here so hope no one minds! Money not really an object but need to source in sunny blighty (UK!). Thanks in advance all and keep it up Hazy! I can barely notice any difference between the test subjects o so your observations (and final weight of course!) are key.

 

[Hazy Lady]

No might about it Strangely.

No might about it Strangely.

Oooh ooh I think I might actually be able to contribute here. Those having a little fun with CO2, remember it's heavier than air. So make sure you add groovy little pipes that run to your plants soil level or higher, or all that lovely CO2 lingers around the base of the pots and doesn't get used as well.

What was the general consensus on a good 2 part nute? No one really coming back on more relevant threads and Hazy has attracted some 'big hitters' kissass over here so hope no one minds! Money not really an object but need to source in sunny blighty (UK!). Thanks in advance all and keep it up Hazy! I can barely notice any difference between the test subjects o so your observations (and final weight of course!) are key.

That is a good point Strangely, I don't think anyone mentioned 'hanging em high' , someone will let us know if we are wrong S'

I think the gang use a whole range of nutes, I am sure they will chime in, plus they all use different sugar products too.
I do like Canna on the whole, especially Canna Coco A & B, I like Rhizotonic from Canna for seedlings and in the res on my cloner, it is a good little additive?, not sure what you class it as?, works like magic making roots appear overnight once added, I use it as soon as I see warts on the stem of the cuttings, just the Rhizo' ph'd will have your clones green and growing upwards fast. It has a small NPK so is ideal as I say for seedlings, first 2 weeks it is invaluable imo.
I am a fan of BioBizz's 'Alg-A-Mic' now, that alone has fed and fixed my sick seedlings, they are glowing now. For those not familiar, It is an all round nute/nute additive, tonic, growth promoter, made from seaweed and algae, has extra Ca and Mag', you can root or foliar feed. all in all very handy to have around

You saw Indi's powders, you can get them off our Ebay too, you can get almost every well known nutrient and a load of unknowns too you can check out.

Nice to see you Strangely

 

[*mistress*]

in thermoses hanging from ceiling, etc, etc...

That is a good point Strangely, I don't think anyone mentioned 'hanging em high' , someone will let us know if we are wrong S'

enjoy your garden!

 

[ironrider 1]

Hi Molasses works great..I grow in coco..and I now use cns 17,, The last 3 weeks I use only Molasses I m getting great buds now.I use to use cana nuts,,cost too much and dont work as well I still have 3 Qts left cns 17 is great for me..coco rocks with cns 17.thanks who every told me about it..have a great grow

 

[indifferent]

I started my own grow thread if anyone is interested in my organics experiments, I collected a load of seashells,seaweed, Comfrey, Dandelions, Bracken, basic slag, willow bark and a few other things today, went on a proper nature ramble despite the shitty weather cos I had the day off work, and I'm going to be making my own nutes and compost to experiment with, see if you can make things for free that match upto the expensive brands.

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=143575

 

[URUK]

I started my own grow thread if anyone is interested in my organics experiments, I collected a load of seashells,seaweed, Comfrey, Dandelions, Bracken, basic slag, willow bark and a few other things today, went on a proper nature ramble despite the shitty weather cos I had the day off work, and I'm going to be making my own nutes and compost to experiment with, see if you can make things for free that match upto the expensive brands.

have you been hanging out with the wrong/right (delete as applicaple) women? seriously though I tried with seaweed but found maxicorps seaweed better than anything I could make myself... it can get stinky.... as for molasses I run them right thru until the last 10 days... anyone got the 3lbs guide?

 

[indifferent]

I've got loads of powdered seaweed,enough to make about 300 litres of the stuff, it's the same as the liquid version I use now and works very well indeed. The Seaweed I have just collected I am going to wash, dry then chop up into seaweed meal to use as a soil amendment.

Basic slag id the leftovers from the Bessemer steel making process and as we used to have a huge foundry here there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of tons of basic slag in heaps here. it's basically a type of dolomite lime but has absorbed loads of phiosphates. It also has loads of calcium, a lto of magnesium and some other micros like sulphur. It is slow release and when applied to fields slowly releases phosphorous over 3 years, it also balances Ph so can be used in a soilmix instead of lime or calcified seaweed for this purpose.

I am big on saving money and I have been needing to buy either lime or calcified seaweed for my next soil mix so I figured why not go collect a load of slag, smash it up fine with a big hammer and use that instead - free lime with added phosphorous, what could be better? The Comfrey is high in Potash, it has 3x more than farmyard manure so I am going to compost some and make liquid with some. I am also going to used crushed seashells methinks, they also work like like to balance PH, contain cal and mag and will also lighten the mix like perlite or diatomite would. I might even manage to harvest some seabird guano as there is a huge nature reserve here with a lot of seabirds, just gotta go look around the rocks and cliffs.

I have a friend who keeps chickens so I am hoping I can get some dried chicken guano from his coop. I am also looking into getting some pigeon guano as there are loads of guys round here who keep racing pigeons. Maybe if I am prepared to go and scrape the layer of guano off the bottom of the lofts they will be happy to let me have it.

I'm also going to go visit the bird centre a few miles away to see what guano possibilities they have. I will also visit the local wild animal park, see what interesting manures they have.

I found out Bracken is very high in potassium so I am going to go collect a load of that as well, I am going to compost up a load of Comfrey, Dandelions, Dock and Bracken ready to use in a few months, I will amend that with basic slag, seaweed, seashells and local guanos and run it experimentally versus a soilmix made from purchased ingredients. I reckon i can make a soilmix from local free stuff that is better than anything you can buy because I can tailor it to my precise needs. I've also just purchase powdered Alfalfa and powdered Neem from a healthfood shop for a quid for 100g of each, I will be adding that to my soilmixes, the Alfalfa has the growth hormone Triacontanol plus loads of vitamins, amino acids, nitrogen and other goodies, the Neem is 3-1-1 and will deter soil pests like gnats.

I'm really getting into this organic thing, I find it much more fascinating than growing using bottles of stuff you bought.

 

[Hazy Lady]

Some new faces

Some new faces

in thermoses hanging from ceiling, etc, etc...

That is a good point Strangely, I don't think anyone mentioned 'hanging em high' , someone will let us know if we are wrong S'

enjoy your garden!

I do beg you pardon *mistress*
If I had recalled sooner you had been one of the Co2 posters, I would have correctly assumed you had covered it *m*.

Hi Molasses works great..I grow in coco..and I now use cns 17,, The last 3 weeks I use only Molasses I m getting great buds now.I use to use cana nuts,,cost too much and dont work as well I still have 3 Qts left cns 17 is great for me..coco rocks with cns 17.thanks who every told me about it..have a great grow

Hello ironrider Nice to welcome another Coconut to our thread
Interesting findings. If you go back a few pages you find tons of informative posts on Molasses, and some other sugar products that may be of interest to you?

I tried to find cns a while ago but no stockists here, I remember it was very reasonably priced, around £15 a Gallon but it would cost more in shipping. Do you use the Coco formula cns?
Thanks for popping in.

I started my own grow thread if anyone is interested in my organics experiments, I collected a load of seashells,seaweed, Comfrey, Dandelions, Bracken, basic slag, willow bark and a few other things today, went on a proper nature ramble despite the shitty weather cos I had the day off work, and I'm going to be making my own nutes and compost to experiment with, see if you can make things for free that match upto the expensive brands.

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=143575

Hi Indi, suppose I better pop over, pretend I care
No, you know most on this thread would like to find cheaper, more effective nutes, the more tests the better, pop the kettle on
How will you prepare the seaweed Indi, I imagined drying and grinding into a talcum like powder and then dissolving or boiling into a juice.

You never said?, do you think you get as good flavours in coco as you did in soils?

EDIT. I started posting this hours ago and by the time I got to finish this you posted yours Indi. Ignore any q of mine you already answered

have you been hanging out with the wrong/right (delete as applicaple) women? seriously though I tried with seaweed but found maxicorps seaweed better than anything I could make myself... it can get stinky.... as for molasses I run them right thru until the last 10 days... anyone got the 3lbs guide?

Hello URUK, glad you joined us, right thru?, do you use in veg stage or just bloom?
3lb guide, what is it?

Thanks everyone

 

[Hazy Lady]

How big are those Lady?

How big are those Lady?

Two nice readers had asked me to give them an idea of the size of the plants in the tests, I tried to snap one with a tape measure but it didn't work, I stuck a single skin packet in there to give some clue, hope it helps

The stem, tallest, left hand side is the one I just posted 6 weeks later, i am always amazed that our plants can do that

 

[Kanye WeED]

looks like u r a pretty serious grower hazy lady and qwite a bit more expierenced than i thought.

ill have to pm u some pics soon, cause i got some questions for u lol

awesome test by the way + rep to U !!!!

 

[Kanye WeED]

Two nice readers had asked me to give them an idea of the size of the plants in the tests, I tried to snap one with a tape measure but it didn't work, I stuck a single skin packet in there to give some clue, hope it helps

The stem, tallest, left hand side is the one I just posted 6 weeks later, i am always amazed that our plants can do that

hazy lady u told me u had a 600 watt hps IS THAT ALL?

how the hell do u get buds this thick, is it in hydro or something!!!

dont think i ever asked if u was hydro or soil!!

 

[Strangely]

Quote:
in thermoses hanging from ceiling, etc, etc...
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That is a good point Strangely, I don't think anyone mentioned 'hanging em high' , someone will let us know if we are wrong S'
enjoy your garden!

haha sorry Mistress, I knew bolding that 'might' was a good idea! Thanks for the nute rec Hazy, I could deal with one main 2 parter I'll look into it.

 

[Hazy Lady]

It's a fair cop

It's a fair cop

Kanye WeED

looks like u r a pretty serious grower hazy lady and qwite a bit more expierenced than i thought.

ill have to pm u some pics soon, cause i got some questions for u lol

hazy lady u told me u had a 600 watt hps IS THAT ALL?

how the hell do u get buds this thick, is it in hydro or something!!!

dont think i ever asked if u was hydro or soil!!

awesome test by the way + rep to U !!!!

Hello there , nice to see you out and about, haha! you are going to make me blow my illusion now K you bum.
I do have a 600W HPS, it's next to 7 more just like it!, no it isn't so, I only have 1 x 600W.
I was completely honest about the 'thick' bud, but it is not quite as it seems.... its a real pack of skins, its a real sized hand (mine, size? petite to medium, think Audrey Hepburn if she ate properly) and it is the stem from the pic below.
But! it also the largest stem by far in the test groups, the plant only grew 1 main stem and 2 smallish ones, the others all produced around 3 similar sized main stems each.
As for me being a serious grower, I think it's been established I can't be serious about anything, but you are very sweet to say that my friend
I am a Coconut Kanye, 100% coco, hand watered.
You can PM me anytime, you know you don't need a question. Good to see you.

haha sorry Mistress, I knew bolding that 'might' was a good idea! Thanks for the nute rec Hazy, I could deal with one main 2 parter I'll look into it.

Heehee, good job *m* is a sport.
You're welcome Strangely, I don't know if you remember but ojd who won two cups at the IC420 earlier on this year, he fed only Canna A&B and 1 booster during bloom for the entries, if you wanted one all round nutrient then A&B seems ideal, you only need add a P & K supplement again for the bloom period, the same nutrient is used for veg and bloom otherwise. Thank's S.

 

[BevoLabs]

So what was the final result? Ive read almost all this thread, but it has seem to go way off course the last 2 pages.

How much did the molasses help once every was dried?

 

[buddin_904]

yea waht the heck Hazy Lady!

did you ever post pics recently? i think you were going to like a week ago but then i never saw any? or maybe i missed them, but ive been trying to keep up.

anyways cant wait to see the next set!