Can we discuss bubblegum?

[LostTribe]

Hey whats he lineage in SSH or worse yet SLH? How many varieties made skunk 1? How many went into the original haze? Poly hybrid trash? lol...

After all of the real knowledge we have compiled what do we have to show for future generations? Once you hybridize there is no way to get back to the original.

TG why did you choose to cross GG#4 with BOG sour bubble? What were your intentions and what were the results?

TG not trying to be a jerk either....was just asking so you could respond. It is my feeling that you began this with the GG#4 and wanted to try to bring out its best qualities while trying to gently refine it. By back crossing to the original cutting your aim was clearly to replicate the traits off of the GG#4.

That is a different thing altogether because you did not begin with a seed line. You started with a cutting and another polyhyrid. The cutting you were hoping would retain the majority of the genetic influence but infact the polyhybrid may have heavily influenced the cross depending on the location of dominant traits....just a hypothesis as I have not grown the GB....and I have not looked into your breeding plan for that variety.

 

[Tonygreen]

Get back to the original what? Afghani? Thai? The original skunk 1? Makes no sense, Damn near every legendary strain started from a "poly hybrid".
About the other stuff that you can check out the one or two pages on it thats floating around.

It's pretty trashy to jump on mystic's work when you have none to even show for yourself.
It's a bubblegum thread, It's awesome be is talking about his own experiences and showing some actual work.
Your casual debasement of his efforts is pretty disgusting, pretty much.
Regardless, this will be the last time you and I interact, have a good day.

 

[LostTribe]

Not sure how many people here have had the real bubblegum that tastes, smells, and smokes exactly like a stick of pink bubblegum.

I had it about 10 years ago in Florida and it was honestly some of the best, if not THE BEST weed I have ever had.

I now live in the Denver area and when I see "bubblegum" on the menu, I always grab a gram just to find out and I am always severely disappointed.

Do any of you know the pheno of bubblegum I am talking about? I would like to buy a 10 pack of bubblegum seeds and breed them all together to make 1000's of seeds, then start the long process of hunting that pheno down. However, there are so many breeders who offer "bubblegum" seeds. Any idea which breeder may offer the easiest route to finding that amazing pheno?

Bottom line is OP was not the polyhybrid dude and this was supposed to be about the real deal Illinois Bubblegum, not watered down bog sour bubble either for that matter. I ran same white label, double gum, as BOG but it wasn't worth keeping in fact back on OG when he would post those pics of his stainless steel scissors full of hash.

Those that had the REAL Gum knew it from the moment they opened the bag....Straight BigLeagueChew mange.

 

[bigbadbiddy]

I have a MasterKushxSkunk pheno from Mr. Nice that developed very sweet, artificial smell in late flower now.

When I smelled it, one of the thoughts I had was "some Mountain Dew type or something? Altoids Wintergreen? Maybe children's toothpaste?" but it could also be described as one of those sweet, artificial flavors you find in this or that chewing gum.


Either way, I am going that route and make my own. It is closer to Bubblegum smell than any strain called Bubblegum I ever had (although I never have grown one myself).
If the smell comes through after curing and also affects the taste, I will just build on my MKS pheno with Blueberry and Paki Chitral Kush and see what i can come up with.

Might not be Pink Bazooka Joe or whatever Bubblegum, but I might just be making my own Altoid Wintergreen Bubblegum or something.


That being said: If I ever run across a seed line where people report to find Bubblegum phenos with a certain regularity/high propability, I will jump on that.
But in 33 pages that hasn't shown up so I will try to make my own (since I got so lucky and got a potential building block for just that in 5 MKS beans).
And unless someone like weird comes out with a seedline, I won't hold my breath or regularly check on available Bubblegum.

This thread has done nothing but reinforce my assumption that no reliable Bubblegum seed line is on the market as of today.

 

[Guest]

Either way, I am going that route and make my own.

I have some PCK (Pakistan Citral Kush) hybrids from ACE/CBG running right now and most of them have a sweet fruity bubblegum smell,one snow moon in particular (which is also magenta coloured ) is total bubblegum smell(talking bout the gum,not the strain,haven't tried it yet).Maybe could be useful to what you're up to...

 

[Growdoc]

I love Bubblegum...

 

[bigbadbiddy]

The PCK I have is from ace. haven't run it yet though.

I figure having found that awesome smell in a pack of Mr. Nice MKS, if I really can't find something suitable in the 12 PCK beans and 25 Blueberry beans, I have loads of Mr. Nice stock to sift through and search for a suitable male.
MKS isn't even the strain most associated with such odors and flavors, I was told strains like ASH are more likely to show up with such terps.

So yeah, I will find something no doubt. Won't be the old Bazooka Joe of yore but it will be going in the right direction and might just be even better.

I really just need to harvest, dry and cure the MKS pheno I found. If it is potent and the effect is nice, there really is no doubt that it is a great foundation for any breeding project looking for smell/taste (as long as the smell/taste comes through in crosses as well but that is for later).

It vegged very fast, lucious, etc. it also was the least bothered by the fungus gnats and low winter temps. It looks great and the yield will surpass everything I had as well. Awesome plant, just remains to be seen how smell and flavor and effect are when cured/smoked.

If it all comes through, I found my Bubblegum in a pack of Mr. Nice MKS and won't look back.

 

[Guest]

if I really can't find something suitable in the 12 PCK

I've got a hunch that it will be easier than you think! Good Luck!

 

[bigbadbiddy]

Much appreciated mate!

I have a good feeling about the PCK as well. Didn't pop her yet because I want to have made seeds first for a round or two. Since I only got 12 of those, I have to make sure my seed making game is on point before I pop them so I don't loose anything.

 

[Mystic Funk]

Probably as far from bubble gum as you will get with a polyhybrid. Why are newbies so quick to try to reinvent the wheel with a bland polyhybrid rather than simply trying to reinforce the best attributes of a strain to its offspring?!?

Bah!

First off I may be somewhat new here but i'm no "newbie". you don't even know me. lol! Second my strain is far from bland, it has great potency, it has a intense candy/bubblegum taste and smell, and good resin production. Original bubblegum was bland it lacks potency all it has going for it is the bubblegum favor. that's the only reason people still talk about it. all I was trying to do here was take everything bubblegum had and make it better.

I wasn't trying to be a dick so for that I sincerely apologize. However, simply perpetuating the polyhybridization of cultivars is leading us nowhere but down the drain.

And I want to point out that was a 3 way hybrid making it no more than 33.334% Bubblegum.

Also, its NOT Indiana Bubblegum, its Illinois for crying out loud!

My idea of a nice strain is that it is #1 Stabilized, and you won't get that with a polyhybrid EVER! When a strain is stabilized you can grow out 100 seeds and they look like clones off the same mom not all different specimens. Why pay for crap that is watered down rubbish? NO NO NO!!!

If you pop seeds and then want to make more do yourself a favor and dont mix them together. No one wants any of that in all actuality. I am sorry to go off here but even when dealing with PURE inbred lines it still takes a particular eye and years and years of knowledge and experience to be able to replicate a given cultivar in seed form. People now a days are too quick to try and make some NEW snappy multi hybrid strain without purpose. Even worse folks are destroying stable cultivar lines.

THAT IS A VERY SERIOUS DILEMA FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS PLANT. Working lines takes time and dedication and many resources while chucking only takes 1 bloom cycle and a 23 watt cfl bulb. There is a difference.

I want to come up with a complete list of pure strains that have either been lost or gone sour due to failure of our community to cohesively keep them alive in their proper form.

Praises to all, think about what I just said. Apologies for my offward tone its just that I truly feel that we as a collective are getting further and further away from the truth.
LT

you obviously have no idea what your talking about. I never mention if I backcrossed this strain or not it could be 99.99% bubblegum for all you know. you also have know idea about breeding plants.
so what your trying to tell us is that you can't stabilize and three way cross??? LOL! what about skunk#1?? or better a four way cross original haze?? I don't think you can get more stable than that..... you don't even know if bubblegum is a three way, it could be a four way! lol!
i'm sorry for posting my plant in here I didn't realize that the rules were so strict in this thread. if I remember right the OP was looking for a bubblegum "phenotype" and I don't think he said anything about it having to be 100% pure bubblegum and stable.

I was just showing the REAL work I did to make a lip smacking bubblegum strain.
i'll just get out of your thread now lost tribe. thanks for the hospitality


peace!
-mystic

 

[LostTribe]

First off I may be somewhat new here but i'm no "newbie". you don't even know me. lol! Second my strain is far from bland, it has great potency, it has a intense candy/bubblegum taste and smell, and good resin production. Original bubblegum was bland it lacks potency all it has going for it is the bubblegum favor. that's the only reason people still talk about it. all I was trying to do here was take everything bubblegum had and make it better.






you obviously have no idea what your talking about. I never mention if I backcrossed this strain or not it could be 99.99% bubblegum for all you know. you also have know idea about breeding plants.
so what your trying to tell us is that you can't stabilize and three way cross??? LOL! what about skunk#1?? or better a four way cross original haze?? I don't think you can get more stable than that..... you don't even know if bubblegum is a three way, it could be a four way! lol!
i'm sorry for posting my plant in here I didn't realize that the rules were so strict in this thread. if I remember right the OP was looking for a bubblegum "phenotype" and I don't think he said anything about it having to be 100% pure bubblegum and stable.

I was just showing the REAL work I did to make a lip smacking bubblegum strain.
i'll just get out of your thread now lost tribe. thanks for the hospitality


peace!
-mystic

Original bubblegum was not bland in anyway, stank pink bubblegum and was a potent 100% Indica, but that is a cutting and is not available in seed form. Sure TH seeds, sagarmatha, serious seeds, white label (source of bog sour bubble, bog bubble) have tried to replicate it but failed massively with respect to getting a stabilized line that fully resembled the cutting.

Not even sure if the cut is still alive. In fact last time I had some was like 12 years ago at a concert in a place bordering illinois a friend of a friend had the gum, trinity and something else....Adams Dunn show had an episode about how when he got the cut that it was either mislabeled or given out with the mis information of it being from indiana.

People in this so called industry will do anything to make a buck.
Just throwing a name at something doesn't make it so....

NOW, WHO here has the real bubblegum cut?

 

[bigbadbiddy]

@mystic funk

I think OP was looking for (and the thread revolves around) a seedline that offers regular/probable phenotype outcomes of actual bubblegum smelling and tasting plants.

The conclusion so far is "there is none".


Since then the discussion has evolved towards "there must be clone then, who has it and can make a seedline out of it?" and "I have this or that which is similar or might even be better".
With the odd "try this seedbank" sprinkled in but none confirmed.


At least that's where I'm at on this thread

Stay friendly folks, discussion and differing opinions is fine but let's not forget why we are here and keep the dick measuring out of it. That can be done in a private area where nobody disturbs you and you can see if one thing doesn't lead to another ya know?

 

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[bigbadbiddy]

Coming through folks, make room!

 

[LostTribe]

First off I may be somewhat new here but i'm no "newbie". you don't even know me. lol! Second my strain is far from bland, it has great potency, it has a intense candy/bubblegum taste and smell, and good resin production. Original bubblegum was bland it lacks potency all it has going for it is the bubblegum favor. that's the only reason people still talk about it. all I was trying to do here was take everything bubblegum had and make it better.






you obviously have no idea what your talking about. I never mention if I backcrossed this strain or not it could be 99.99% bubblegum for all you know. you also have know idea about breeding plants.
so what your trying to tell us is that you can't stabilize and three way cross??? LOL! what about skunk#1?? or better a four way cross original haze?? I don't think you can get more stable than that..... you don't even know if bubblegum is a three way, it could be a four way! lol!
i'm sorry for posting my plant in here I didn't realize that the rules were so strict in this thread. if I remember right the OP was looking for a bubblegum "phenotype" and I don't think he said anything about it having to be 100% pure bubblegum and stable.

I was just showing the REAL work I did to make a lip smacking bubblegum strain.
i'll just get out of your thread now lost tribe. thanks for the hospitality


peace!
-mystic

sorry to distract from the conversation. carry on.....

 

[Adrosmokin]

Not sure how many people here have had the real bubblegum that tastes, smells, and smokes exactly like a stick of pink bubblegum.

I had it about 10 years ago in Florida and it was honestly some of the best, if not THE BEST weed I have ever had.

I now live in the Denver area and when I see "bubblegum" on the menu, I always grab a gram just to find out and I am always severely disappointed.

Do any of you know the pheno of bubblegum I am talking about? I would like to buy a 10 pack of bubblegum seeds and breed them all together to make 1000's of seeds, then start the long process of hunting that pheno down. However, there are so many breeders who offer "bubblegum" seeds. Any idea which breeder may offer the easiest route to finding that amazing pheno?

Just to reaffirm the OP's intentions.

The Bubblegum clone didn't appear out of thin air. I'd do what the OP wants to do, also. Cross strains kown to use the IBG in it and look for the recessive phenos in the offspring.

 

[EastBayGrower]

Just to reaffirm the OP's intentions.

The Bubblegum clone didn't appear out of thin air. I'd do what the OP wants to do, also. Cross strains kown to use the IBG in it and look for the recessive phenos in the offspring.

this is exactly what i did, crossed an indiana bubblegum x og male with a bunch of my clone onlys, im looking to recreate that awesome bubblegum cookies cut floating around, that things on lock down tough though...

just cracked ~25 to do some testing and see what the crosses offer.. looking for the stink pink, bazooka joe BUBBLEGUM taste and smell..

strains hit with IBG pollen:
Cookie frost, dosidos, stink bomb, piss wreck haze, sfv og x chem 4, royal truth and f2s... will post results when these are flowered out in a couple months..

edit: does anyone know which show adam dunn was talking about obtaining the cutting... show number/time?

 

[LostTribe]

RECESSIVE RECESSIVE TRAITS

The classic pink bubblegum smell and taste is obviously a recessive trait as it does not often appear in the progeny when outcrossed. This is concluded with the fact that all seed producers that have worked with the bubblegum cutting have failed to produce a consistent seed line for the flavor and taste. If the smell and taste alleles for the bubblegum cutting were dominant they would be found in up to 75% of progeny that was produced with a recessive male. Reports show it is hard or impossible to locate the real flavor of this particular cutting within seed lines.

What would be necessary if someone had the actual Illinois Bubblegum cut would be for them to search for a male with a recessive allele for smell and taste. That would require testing different varieties of males. Also, locating a recessive allele within a particular specimen is not at all easy. Trial and error.

Even with a male with recessive genes for smell and taste once crossed to the bubblegum cutting no greater than 50% of progeny would exhibit the bubblegum smell and flavor.

With breeding with hybrid bubblegum seeds you would first and foremost have to begin with a specimen that contained the same flavor and taste as the cutting as well, you are not going to be able to pull those genes out of a plant that does not exhibit the proper showing alleles.

LT

 

[bigAl25]

I always thought it came from Indiana and dubois county in particular. I say this with a bit of pride. I was close but not quite there, but much closer than crossing the Wabash river to the west.

 

[LostTribe]

I always thought it came from Indiana and dubois county in particular. I say this with a bit of pride. I was close but not quite there, but much closer than crossing the Wabash river to the west.

Adam Dunn of THseeds stated on the radio show that it actually came from Illinois. He was the one that initially received the cutting. Thats where I got the Illinois from. Cannot recall what episode though....maybe the mr soul genetics 101 episode or the real history of ogkush of which there are 3 episodes.

I also just saw a video clip th seeds bubblegum on the tube where dunn states he started with 100 some odd seeds rather than a cutting....where ever it came from I don't care really was just saying what I heard from the guy that originally worked it into a seed line.

LT