Can we discuss bubblegum?

[EastBayGrower]

yeah losttribe, i too have com to that conclusion, hard pheno to find thats for sure.... gonna be doing a bit of pheno hunting through out a bunch of crosses to find the "one"

reminds me alot of the Catpiss clone going around, she doesnt just pop up in a pack of F1 hybrids, like finding a needle in a haystack... but ow wat a needle!

 

[MJPassion]

Adam Dunn of THseeds stated on the radio show that it actually came from Illinois. He was the one that initially received the cutting. Thats where I got the Illinois from. Cannot recall what episode though....maybe the mr soul genetics 101 episode or the real history of ogkush of which there are 3 episodes.

I also just saw a video clip th seeds bubblegum on the tube where dunn states he started with 100 some odd seeds rather than a cutting....where ever it came from I don't care really was just saying what I heard from the guy that originally worked it into a seed line.

LT

1 guy...
2 stories...
Smells like fish to me!
Maybe Dunns lying outa his ass...
I've no clue... Just saying!

As yall know...
The squeaky wheel get the grease.

 

[stoney917]

As far as ibg goes indiana , Illinois, always thought indiana but I asked my guy where he got his bubble gum n shit my cut traces back to Kentucky.... bikers from Indy but brought into Kentucky.... So it's hella possible the cut also got brought to Illinois by the Indy guys.... But I do strongly feel it originated from indiana... Not like it really matters....

 

[Adrosmokin]

RECESSIVE RECESSIVE TRAITS

The classic pink bubblegum smell and taste is obviously a recessive trait as it does not often appear in the progeny when outcrossed. This is concluded with the fact that all seed producers that have worked with the bubblegum cutting have failed to produce a consistent seed line for the flavor and taste. If the smell and taste alleles for the bubblegum cutting were dominant they would be found in up to 75% of progeny that was produced with a recessive male. Reports show it is hard or impossible to locate the real flavor of this particular cutting within seed lines.

What would be necessary if someone had the actual Illinois Bubblegum cut would be for them to search for a male with a recessive allele for smell and taste. That would require testing different varieties of males. Also, locating a recessive allele within a particular specimen is not at all easy. Trial and error.

Even with a male with recessive genes for smell and taste once crossed to the bubblegum cutting no greater than 50% of progeny would exhibit the bubblegum smell and flavor.

With breeding with hybrid bubblegum seeds you would first and foremost have to begin with a specimen that contained the same flavor and taste as the cutting as well, you are not going to be able to pull those genes out of a plant that does not exhibit the proper showing alleles.

LT

If the smell and taste for the BG cutting was homozygous dominant it would be found in appx. 100% of F1s and 75% in F2's, when using a recessive male. If it was heterozygous dominant, it would show up 50% of the time in F1's.
So are you talking about F2's?
If so, with a 75% show in the F2 generation, you'd be assuming that the BG cut was a monohybrid cross where both parents were homozygous true breeding.

It's much more likely that BG was polyhybrid. Meaning you won't just get 4 phenotypes in the F2's, you might get up to 16. Some of which won't show up until you run huge numbers.
If anyone more knowledgeable see's anything incorrect, please chime in.

 

[LostTribe]

If the smell and taste for the BG cutting was homozygous dominant it would be found in appx. 100% of F1s and 75% in F2's, when using a recessive male. If it was heterozygous dominant, it would show up 50% of the time in F1's.
So are you talking about F2's?
If so, with a 75% show in the F2 generation, you'd be assuming that the BG cut was a monohybrid cross where both parents were homozygous true breeding.

It's much more likely that BG was polyhybrid. Meaning you won't just get 4 phenotypes in the F2's, you might get up to 16. Some of which won't show up until you run huge numbers.
If anyone more knowledgeable see's anything incorrect, please chime in.

That was stated with the assumption TH seeds began with a cutting only. They would have had to have outcrossed it. Then it would depend on the outcrosser as well....its a moot point if you see the TH seeds bubblegum vid on youtube he states he began with a hundred or so seeds so the "original" was given out in seed form to the amsterdamn community. It could have already been a hybrid.

In nearly 350 posts not one person has claim to the cutting so I am going to add it to a list of cuttings/lines that no longer exist outside of current reproduced seed lines.

 

[Adrosmokin]

First problem is believing Adam Dunn.

Not surprising that, in 350 posts, you haven't heard from a person with a cut. It's 20 years past it's heyday. It has it's place, but most people now a days want OG's and Cookies, or some variation, in their garden. There are breeders that still use the BG cut, Archive, Mosca, Greenpoint for example. But there is no reason for them to stabilize the line, it's not what sells.

 

[Dr.Suess]

In nearly 350 posts not one person has claim to the cutting so I am going to add it to a list of cuttings/lines that no longer exist outside of current reproduced seed lines.

LT

I know of one person that hold the original clone and many more, he is a member here although doesn't frequent much and is an active member on another forum so I wouldn't be so quick in your assumptions. Due to TOU I am unable to name names as he is a vendor that offers a number of varieties that are never grown or talked about on this forum maybe as he is not a vendor here? I don't know

I do know that you're certainly no librarian The Real Librarian and keeper of the genetic library in NL has recently gifted me a cut of a strain that is allegedly highly sought after

How's your purple haze doing?

 

[Weird]

That was stated with the assumption TH seeds began with a cutting only. They would have had to have outcrossed it. Then it would depend on the outcrosser as well....its a moot point if you see the TH seeds bubblegum vid on youtube he states he began with a hundred or so seeds so the "original" was given out in seed form to the amsterdamn community. It could have already been a hybrid.

In nearly 350 posts not one person has claim to the cutting so I am going to add it to a list of cuttings/lines that no longer exist outside of current reproduced seed lines.

its around

So man dank og cuts around but as with any real og or aka "environmentally sensitive phenotype" they are only as good at the gardens they come from

DOH

lol swear you cats are so confident on the success of your failures that you seem to be missing the disconnect

aka

it has nothing to do with the genes and everything to do with the asshole that placed them there

Take a good look at my galleries

I'm an asshole

then again I am a pretty good asshole

 

[Weird]

not calling you out lost tribe or any particular personality

just the fact that so many good genes go under realized because they are not fully expressed and then people talk about them with subjective difference as if they had intimate knowledge of getting the plant to express like that first hand

alot of OGs are simply out there and people pass them up because they are "underwhelming"

bubblegum is one of those strains

 

[Dr.Suess]

I just noticed this post by Claude

Hi all,

For those who are interested in testing our rework BubbleGum please send your request to Simon at [email protected]

Respect
Claude

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7694473&postcount=46

 

[G.O. Joe]

So this pack from Serious is more like a grape gum than anything else - it's in the nose of the beholder but I think that's it - but there is no grape in the mythology??? Yet like others it takes me back to the 80's - my own hybrids that were definitely not BG.

It's not so much grape exactly, as indefinably sweet, yet not floral or fruity. It's very nice and I have spoken here before of liking sweet yet herbal buds and this is right on that target. It's before its time still but oh well then this is a Serious seed in rockwool, except for 2 stray buds at upper right and 1 at far left that are different.

 

[sourpuss]

My slog f2s throw a bubblegum pheno. Strong bubblegum flav with lemon. Very unique and tasty... kimda strange considerimg lineage...

 

[bigbadbiddy]

Well my MKS with the awesome kind of bubblegum but not pink, more like sweet mint, smell, has been harvested.

During the harvest the smell was overwhelming and pleasant.
But she foxtailed like hell, was a huge pain to trim.

And after a day in the jar, the smell has almost disappeared. Still there in the background but not nearly as pronounced and loud as during the drying and trimming process.
Hope the smell comes back ...

 

[Chevy cHaze]

Nice thread !
Just stumbled across this one and a big bubblegum fan myself.
I had what I believe must have been the real thing in Zurich/ Switzerland once end of the 90s. GReat smell, great taste, great high. Nice and comfortable and happy. Missing this ever since...
Have bought a pack from TH Seeds and hope to find something in there.
After reading through half this thread, I'm not so sure about my choice anymore, but they were the only ones who offered a fem version, so hoping for the best. We'll see.

 

[LostTribe]

I just noticed this post by Claude





https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7694473&postcount=46

Yeah Claude and crew were trying to get me to test out some reworked AK47 recently too but I passed on that. Why rework them if they remain the same? Obvious now is the fact they lost the parental stock long ago in the case of the ak.

If I was to search for bubblegum thru seed it would be from adams thseeds as he was the one to originally get the seeds in holland. Again that is from an episode of the adam dunn show. Same one they talk about where they came from.

I know what weird is saying for sure. I have second guessed myself before attributing different results to different environments, nutrients and mediums. Plants placed into bloom when sickly and other attributing factors will obviously lead to different final results.

 

[stoney917]

Ibg finally healthy and day 1 flower....

 

[Manivelle]

curious to see what the reworked BBg will be .

 

[meizzwang]

The original White Label Seed Co. bubblegum feminized seeds from the late 90's actually smelled and tasted like bubblegum. The effects were a strong body stone and slight paranoia/racy-ness that wasn't great, but the flavor was second to none-it really did smell and taste just like bazooka Joe Bubblegum! One of the feminized bubblegum seeds hermied late in flowering, so I was able to keep the line alive, but the offspring had early male flowers which is disastrous. FWIW, I still have viable seeds just in case this line goes extinct in the future. This line is great for flavor only in my opinion.

Fastforward about a decade and a half later, there were raving reviews about Nirvana's bubbleicious, which isn't from the original indiana bubblegum genes like white label's seeds, but apparently it was a skunk hybrid that had bubblegum dominant smells and flavors. I grew out several of their feminized seeds, and while it does have a somewhat bubblegum smell and flavor, it's nothing even close to the flavor of the original Indiana genetics. These plants looked well, smelled well, yielded well, but the taste on well cured "grown for Jesus" buds wasn't there, and the high is incredibly dull and only moderately strong....like a very inbred skunk#1 high. For those with a high tolerance seeking quality effects and outstanding flavor (ie. marijuana pricks or snobs like myself who hold their chin up high when blazing), this isn't a good strain for you.

To sum it all up, the attempt at a remake (bubbleicious) is probably great if you're on a deserted island and have never tried anything else, but compared to the original indiana bubblegum, it's crap.

 

[meizzwang]

RECESSIVE RECESSIVE TRAITS

The classic pink bubblegum smell and taste is obviously a recessive trait as it does not often appear in the progeny when outcrossed. This is concluded with the fact that all seed producers that have worked with the bubblegum cutting have failed to produce a consistent seed line for the flavor and taste. If the smell and taste alleles for the bubblegum cutting were dominant they would be found in up to 75% of progeny that was produced with a recessive male. Reports show it is hard or impossible to locate the real flavor of this particular cutting within seed lines.

What would be necessary if someone had the actual Illinois Bubblegum cut would be for them to search for a male with a recessive allele for smell and taste. That would require testing different varieties of males. Also, locating a recessive allele within a particular specimen is not at all easy. Trial and error.

Even with a male with recessive genes for smell and taste once crossed to the bubblegum cutting no greater than 50% of progeny would exhibit the bubblegum smell and flavor.

With breeding with hybrid bubblegum seeds you would first and foremost have to begin with a specimen that contained the same flavor and taste as the cutting as well, you are not going to be able to pull those genes out of a plant that does not exhibit the proper showing alleles.

LT

Not sure about the dominance genetic hypothesis, but when crossed to shiva northern lights, the bubblegum flavor is in every single seedling....however, the flavor is "diluted" and you you get a spicy bubblegum flavor. Nice thing is, the crappy high from bubblegum disappears and you get the soaring, comfy body high from Shiva northern lights, along with a better flavor profile. Still, the flavor of SNL x BG isn't as good as the original bubblegum.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

So I germinated one of the TH Seeds fem seeds and let's see how it goes.
Somewhere in this thread i read the Bubblegum name came not from smell and taste but from the stickiness of the buds. Apparently someone has this information from TH Seeds directly.. While they could be super sticky, I think that's not it. They're advertising the Bubblegum taste and smell on their website, and also that's how I remember Bubblegum form the 90s. Bubblegum is called Bubblegum because it tastes and smells like bubblegum.