Can the genetics be saved from plant with fusarium/pythium/stem canker?

[eastcoastjoe]

What's your pro nouns joe,,that fusarium got you growing titties

If joe got fusarium on his dick he would be a woman by now

you euro guys would commonly have that problem since your country is one of the gayest places on earth LMAO.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Definitely True,,,now that's an interesting post,,what types won't hypochlorous acid kill?,,,are they the most common?,,,I'm genuinely asking as I agree with you

With respect,,,

Are you saying that apical meristem culture and initation wont solve it?,,,

Are you advocating chopping your nob off?

Hands-down one of the dumbest people I’ve met on line by far. It only kills it on the surface you fucking moron if it works so well, why would we have to initiate things into tissue culture genius? It’s used a surface sterilant the way your describing it and bleach would work just as well or better.
we are not treating an eye infection, OK . You can’t simply think that fusarium is on the surface and not internally. I guess drinking bleach is how we treat the flu or covid

 

[englishrick]

I accept that you identify as as someone who knows what you are talking about,,

Only issue is that people can now see your cheesey saveloy through your tighty whiteees

Nobody cares about your opinion now, You are a joke to more people than you know ,,everyone's laughing at you and nobody important will even engaging with you seriously,

Chop ya nob off an call it science, nobody cares ,,,

the best thing about you is how entertaining is is to watch you gasp for air

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I accept that you identify as as someone who knows what you are talking about,,

Only issue is that people can now see your cheesey saveloy through your tighty whites,,

Nobody cares about your opinion now, since you chat shit,

You are a joke to more people than you know ,,everyone's laughing at you and nobody important will even engaging with you seriously,

Chop ya nob off an call it science, nobody cares ,,,

the best thing about you is how entertaining is is to watch you gasp for air

I accept that you identify as as someone who knows what you are talking about,,

Only issue is that people can now see your cheesey saveloy through your tighty whites,,

Nobody cares about your opinion now, since you chat shit,

You are a joke to more people than you know ,,everyone's laughing at you and nobody important will even engaging with you seriously,

Chop ya nob off an call it science, nobody cares ,,,

the best thing about you is how entertaining is is to watch you gasp for air

Nobody important? LMAO. you say that like I need acceptance or approval from anyone. Fact of the matter is, hypochlorous acid does not cure anything besides certain eye infections LMAO.
I’ll tell you what is funny Plumber Rick. And I have a feeling I know why they call you the plumber but I’ll save that for a different time. You act like you’re the fucking Messiah of plant pathogens but just last year you were asking everyone for help with hop latent information and here you are now citing papers about how hypochlorous acid kills everything and the papers are talking about treating eye infections. Eye infections ? LMAO I’m done.
Maybe you and the rest of the other euro fags that you think you’re so important can clean each other’s drain pipe out?

 

[englishrick]

Shit talking joe strikes again,, validation is something you must crave, horrible situation to be in when you cant achieve it ,,up your game and you may have a chance

You disrespect icmag ,,

 

[eastcoastjoe]

You disrespect icmag ,,

No Rick, just you

 

[englishrick]

You can do better than that,,,

At this point now your best attribute is pure comedy ,,,dont let yourself down bro,,

Because of your previous ineptitude and disrespect, nobody important is engaging with you seriously,,

I've not had this level of entertainment for a long time,,,I'm starting to like you,,

do a better job next time

You started off so strong,,,dont disappointed your fans

 

[Ca++]

In all seriousness, if someone has an amazing strain that needs cleaning, I don't want it. Cleaning isn't a 5 minute job, it's a crusade. Spending 6 months getting that tiny tip, up to being a plant, is phase 1. The success rate isn't near to 100% and the reemergence might take 9 months. People are trialing combined treatments, where that tiny tip may be heat cycled, or irradiated, or chemically treated. Or all three. Some claim to have an answer, but the clock has not been ticking long enough to truly know if issues are simply dormant for now. Most of the later work on this topic, seems to just be about the effectiveness of such processes. With no single process working. So you must race to get a plant up, and do the process again, to improve the odds with every attempt.

As most of us are hobby growers, or money makers, this is too much work. It's a niche job, that certainly has prospects, but they may be years away. Meaning a quarantine incubator of some sort, with back-up power as insurance.
Meanwhile, some seeds offer a much lower chance of transmission, and an immediate solution to getting some plants up.

This brings another question forward. Why spend 6 months on the tip, when you can make seeds faster, and they have less problems than meristem propagation. Is this just science for sciences sake?

I don't remember the success rates, but they have been linked to recently.

 

[englishrick]

It's simply never been more difficult for growers to produce,,,this pains me,,

You can't get the names if you don't take the responsibility and do the work,,,this is just something we need to accept, this is the world we live in now,,,it's a terrible situation where clone sellers don't do there job properly and infect the hobbyist,,,such a shame,,,but you can't have real peace of mind if you don't do the work,,,terrible but true

how to avoid problems without doing the work is a different conversation all together,,,terrible but true,,,

 

[acespicoli]

In all seriousness, if someone has an amazing strain that needs cleaning, I don't want it. Cleaning isn't a 5 minute job, it's a crusade. Spending 6 months getting that tiny tip, up to being a plant, is phase 1. The success rate isn't near to 100% and the reemergence might take 9 months. People are trialing combined treatments, where that tiny tip may be heat cycled, or irradiated, or chemically treated. Or all three. Some claim to have an answer, but the clock has not been ticking long enough to truly know if issues are simply dormant for now. Most of the later work on this topic, seems to just be about the effectiveness of such processes. With no single process working. So you must race to get a plant up, and do the process again, to improve the odds with every attempt.

As most of us are hobby growers, or money makers, this is too much work. It's a niche job, that certainly has prospects, but they may be years away. Meaning a quarantine incubator of some sort, with back-up power as insurance.
Meanwhile, some seeds offer a much lower chance of transmission, and an immediate solution to getting some plants up.

This brings another question forward. Why spend 6 months on the tip, when you can make seeds faster, and they have less problems than meristem propagation. Is this just science for sciences sake?

I don't remember the success rates, but they have been linked to recently.

How many growers / breeders are selling certified disease free and or treated seed ?
The issue is educating would be agricultural merchants for a higher standard

 

[englishrick]

I have read about a weponised form of fusarium that is apparently still locked in a lab,,,if it ever gets out it could be the end of the home grower

 

[englishrick]

I mean ,,Is it possible in the future that lab grown bud will be the only bud available,,,it might well be where the world is moving to,,

Companies with clean genetics might only be available to people with licensing,,,this could be the case,,

My advice is get your clean genetics while you can and keep them clean,,dont get enticed by the new new and take chances,,Count yourself lucky if you can

 

[englishrick]

If we was growing strawberries for production, we would only be buying tissue culture from multi million dollars companies,, not private people

 

[acespicoli]

so true, like trying to find reg seed...

 

[englishrick]

This is another controversial subject,,

so if we want stable seeds , then the breeder needs to understand inbreeding coefficients and selfing is the quickest route to homozygous alleles,,,so it's a good idea for the breeder to use selfing to achieve high inbreeding coefficients ,,,it's not a big issue to use selfing as a tool and then introduce the y chromosome,,or use the y chromosome the whole way through,,but again we are placing alot of trust in breeders to do the work, breeders need to be testing for all sorts too now,,,

It's just not as easy as it was years ago,,

 

[Ca++]

How many growers / breeders are selling certified disease free and or treated seed ?
The issue is educating would be agricultural merchants for a higher standard

I know of no producers that offer a history of testing at their facilities. I put up a thread asking others, and nobody offered a source. I tried to get the idea over that I would buy from no other, but the ball just didn't get rolling.
While we are happy to buy whatever, nobody seems interested in spending a small amount to get the usp (unique selling point) and instead risk loosing everything.

If it were legal here, there would be the outlet your looking for. I would test everything I have, regularly, and bring in nothing new, unless I had a new location for it.

 

[englishrick]

I actually know a fantastic clone supplier who shows monthly testing and all cuts are done through multiplication invitro,,all taken from meristem initially and keot invitro,,no mother room atall,,,he spends all day changing vessels,,but he is so over worked he won't take on new customers,,,he literally only sells to me be because a mutual friend died tragically,, that's who i use now

I love that idea you mentioned,,,,,I'd do it myself if I was able to function legally like people in the USA or Canada , I'd follow my mates example

 

[troutman]

Unfortunately seeds can get HLVD.

Seeds are your best bet for long term growing. Clones eventually fail no matter what.

Although no published studies exist in cannabis describing the frequency of seed transmission,
HLVd does transmit through seeds in hop plants at a rate of around 8%.

 

[englishrick]

Clones are truly eternal if you just do multiplication invitro,,the only reasons they fail is they fall pray to nasties or epigenetic drift,,,most people maintain a full blown mother room and that is where the nasties get em,,,without the mother room an if you maintain invitro they are shielded,,,the only issue then is epigenetic drift and that's another topic ,,

I'd choose clones maintained invitro over seeds

 

[Loc Dog]

Seeds are your best bet for long term growing. Clones eventually fail no matter what.

Until I brought in outside infested crap, GG4 straight from marrdogg was solid. After 8 years got bored and wanted to try new top shelf. I believe all dudding is hlvd, fungi. or bacteria. Used to think Snypes cloning method was overkill but that is how to be safe.