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California Orange aka Cali-O (for breeding)
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420 alaska. In this episode, dave richards claims nl#5 x skunk #1 the parent strains of the california orange bud.in 1980. How accurate that really is, is certainly questionable, but dave also has a good reputation for knowing the history of genetics
Dankwolf, That is amazing. What are your plan's with them? Little breeders like me would love to know. 
I'm looking for some breeding stock. I am personally looking for a stable strain that is great tasting and be used as a strain for the day time. I'm very intrigued by this stain. Thank you greatly for the info you shared.
I'm looking for some breeding stock. I am personally looking for a stable strain that is great tasting and be used as a strain for the day time. I'm very intrigued by this stain. Thank you greatly for the info you shared.Dankwolf, Sam says in one of your posts that very few pure seeds of Cali-O were sold but lots of crosses. What are your thoughts on whether Sam sold Nevil the pure Cali-O originally?
It has been established, in Sam's own words, that he took seed over there and made a deal with Nevil to allow him to use his stock to make hybrids, but not to sell in pure form. In less than a year, Nevil was selling knockoffs.
In one of his first catalogs, he listed the Orange Bud, as selfed, or what I took to be F2's.
To me it makes sense that he could of easily gave Nevil the pure Cali-O, thinking he would n't knock them off.
The reason I'm trying to get to the bottom of this is because from what I've discovered, and knowing the history, I would imagine that White Label Seeds, a subsidery of Sensi, would have the closest thing to the pure as anyone. It is common knowledge that Sam made a deal with Nevil, and Nevil reportedly sold the strains, and the Cannabis Castle to Ben Dronkers for a million dollars when he had to bail A-Dam.
White Label refers to it at California Orange Bud, or Orange Bud. No one else is calling it by the original name that I could tell.
It has been established, in Sam's own words, that he took seed over there and made a deal with Nevil to allow him to use his stock to make hybrids, but not to sell in pure form. In less than a year, Nevil was selling knockoffs.
In one of his first catalogs, he listed the Orange Bud, as selfed, or what I took to be F2's.
To me it makes sense that he could of easily gave Nevil the pure Cali-O, thinking he would n't knock them off.
The reason I'm trying to get to the bottom of this is because from what I've discovered, and knowing the history, I would imagine that White Label Seeds, a subsidery of Sensi, would have the closest thing to the pure as anyone. It is common knowledge that Sam made a deal with Nevil, and Nevil reportedly sold the strains, and the Cannabis Castle to Ben Dronkers for a million dollars when he had to bail A-Dam.
White Label refers to it at California Orange Bud, or Orange Bud. No one else is calling it by the original name that I could tell.
Dankwolf
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To answer your question on wether sam gave sensi 100% cali-o . i would say ask sam .
I dought any company has 100%% cali-o due to the fact it is over 30+ year old strain . if i wanted a cali-i o strain and i were in your postion i would buy / source as many orange/citrus/cali-o strains as i could and do a pheno hunt selecting for the features that cal-o repersented and doing and open polanation with selected plants . then peno/geno hunt them for a good mother and father . then back cross 4 generatin to selected mother to give you a f4 stabilizes seed stock that has your cali-o traits but even better due to your selction process at each stage of back cross .
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I was going to call Nevil and ask him, but I can't remember my password on Skype, and I'm at work. I don't remember him mentioning anything about cali orange, and he did know I was working with Orange Crush crosses.
I would love to ask Sam personally if anyone knows how to reach him.
Dr. Purper, Nevil offered Orange in his earlier catalogs I'll have to check which catalog, but pretty sure Nevil was calling it California Orange in his later catalogs. Orange is the same as Orange Bud, or California Orange Bud
Dr. Purper, Nevil offered Orange in his earlier catalogs I'll have to check which catalog, but pretty sure Nevil was calling it California Orange in his later catalogs. Orange is the same as Orange Bud, or California Orange Bud
Sam is still here. He posted a few days ago.
Check statistics on his profile to see where he is posting. I think it was plant science or something. Or message him.
Check statistics on his profile to see where he is posting. I think it was plant science or something. Or message him.
from my readings of years ago, and more recent
cali-o is something like the skunk story
multiple genetic lines with the same name, names were free after all, a free for all i guess
there seemed to be at least 2 cali-o lineages, and likely more
1 was noted for a sativa habit and very nice effect without anxiety, which is what i wanted
the other was described as having a strong indica influence, but would produce sativa effects in the product
what i got from nirvana is well described by the 2nd, but not a great sativa effect imho
matched up well with other traits though
cali-o is something like the skunk story
multiple genetic lines with the same name, names were free after all, a free for all i guess
there seemed to be at least 2 cali-o lineages, and likely more
1 was noted for a sativa habit and very nice effect without anxiety, which is what i wanted
the other was described as having a strong indica influence, but would produce sativa effects in the product
what i got from nirvana is well described by the 2nd, but not a great sativa effect imho
matched up well with other traits though
yes indeed, looks like an older catalog, the oldest descriptions seem to mention the indica
and as shown, nirvana packed up seeds from various breeders
and that has changed plenty, i think their sativa version was after this one
and later i think it reverted back to something heavy on the indica
1 thing about the indica, flavor and nose solid 9/10
and a few crosses i've made from a male cali-o, nice flavors there 2, maybe some dominance there
edit: actually 2004, sounds about right
Dankwolf
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I agree on the indica to sativa back to indica time line . the seeds i have came from sativa/indica 50/50 plants from around 1980 home grower stock i did sample some of the parent plant buds and they were 75% skunky/25% citrus but this may be due to the persons selections . i have not tested the seeds as of yet .the only cali-o i ever sampled commercially was from early 2000s and it would be ether heavy citrus , citrus/skunky or just strait skunky so i would say there are many variations in the orenge bud history but sams original skunk is in evey orange bud i have seen .
The discription from 2004 are from cc mag:
