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Butte County

CanniDo Cowboy

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Maybe there's hope for us on the other side of the mountain...Way to go Lake Co gro-folks!

First, the bs -

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/3940071-181/clearlake-kills-ban-on-marijuana

Clearlake moves toward ban on growing pot
BY GLENDA ANDERSON
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
February 13, 2015, 7:35PM

For pot, politics remain local in California
Lake County fight over marijuana going back to voters
Advocates vow to challenge Clearlake pot ban

The Clearlake City Council is poised to ban all marijuana cultivation in the city limits.

The council voted 4-1 Thursday night to pursue the ban following a lengthy hearing attended by about 200 people, Councilman Russ Perdock said.

If finalized, the ordinance would be the strictest pot ordinance in Lake County. It was triggered by a failure of the city’s former ordinance to control marijuana-growing in the city, said Perdock, a former Lake County sheriff’s deputy who was seated on the council in December.

The existing ordinance allows up to six plants in residential neighborhoods and more on larger parcels, but some residents have been growing substantially more than that, as many as 100 plants, a problem city officials and police have been unable to quash, Perdock said.

The ordinance was tentatively adopted despite an outpouring of opposition. Perdock said most of the people at Thursday night’s hearing were pro-marijuana.

Some of them threatened to sue the city if it adopted the ordinance, he said.

A second reading of the ordinance and possible final vote is scheduled for Feb. 26.


And then the push-back -

The Clearlake City Council has rescinded its ban on all marijuana cultivation in the face of a lawsuit and a successful signature-gathering campaign that required the city to either drop the ordinance or place it on the ballot.

Instead, it will amend the previous ordinance — which allowed between six and 12 pot plants, depending on parcel size — to make it easier for police to enforce. The revision will include limiting the number of plants that can be grown to six plants per household under the premise that it’s better to “keep it simple, stupid,” City Councilwoman Joyce Overton said.

Medical marijuana advocates Friday were celebrating the Thursday night vote overturning the ordinance, adopted in late February.

“We’re extremely happy,” said Jeri Spittler, a former city councilwoman and one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. She said the lawsuit is now moot and will be dropped.

Despite the setback, Overton said she believes the council accomplished at least one of its goals. It demonstrated it is ready and willing to take on illegal marijuana growers, she said.

“I think we made our voices heard; we don’t want these illegal grows in our town,” Overton said.

The Clearlake council majority who voted for the ban said they were forced to do so by scofflaws who were growing well in excess of the city’s plant limits. Other residents were complaining about the skunky smell and said they were worried about associated crime, which has included home-invasion robberies.

But marijuana advocates contended the total ban — one of only four in the state at the time it was adopted — was illegal and unfair to people who depend on pot to treat their ailments.

Spittler, whose husband has cancer, said the city could have limited illegal pot cultivation simply by enforcing the ordinance it had in place.

“I’m really hoping now the police department steps up and eliminates the illegal grows,” she said.

City officials said their earlier ordinance lacked clarity and enforcement tools, which they now plan to add.

"If them, why not us...? cc
 

CanniDo Cowboy

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"The Clearlake City Council has rescinded its ban on all marijuana cultivation in the face of a lawsuit and a successful signature-gathering campaign that required the city to either drop the ordinance or place it on the ballot..."

What I dont understand is Butte & Shasta County officials had the same choice - Drop the ban or put it on the ballot - Both counties let it go to a vote and...WON. On the other hand, the Lake County powers-that-think-they-be, rather than take their chances at the voting booth... folded.

It would appear to me that all 3 counties had some sort of "mystical insight" as to what the ballot results were going to be when or if it went on the ballot...cc
 

theJointedOne

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Way to go lake county. If I had to guess I'd bet my old friends no bull and rowdy had some part in the victory.

Thanks for sharing cc
 

Sunfire

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Yes Sunfire, you are the master of the obvious, I realized that article was from 5 years ago - way to pick that up. Their is already a Butte County Economic PAC that is strongly against DA Ramsey...lets see if you can connect those dots.

I see as many 10 wheeler dump trucks around as sherriff SUVs, and to me that's a good thing. People are going to keep doing what they've been doing, and at some point the powers that be will realize their intimidation tactics aren't working.

Wow dude why all the anger? You do realize I'm in yuba county and I first came here because a friend asked to me look at this thread and see if I can help as im.pretty involved in the politics here in yuba. I went all they way out to a meeting in berry creek to take jeff a bunch of info and contacts, which he was extremely excited and thankful for. Why are you being so hostile towards me? I'm trying to fucken help you all! Should I just not bother? Seems like prop is the only one doing anything anyways...speaking of which, did you or jeff contact rick fenton yet prop? Might be good to have a highly experienced campaign manager on your team, he's done a lot of good here in yuba and he already told me he would help you guys. Also did yall contact Joe elford yet? His name alone at this point might scare the butte officials, especially after clear lake.

Lmao I'm not mentally challenged dude, I can connect dots, and when I did, the picture was one that illustrated multiple business owners couldn't take Ramsey down when they organized properly. How is a bunch of rag tag growers going to do it IF NO ONE RALLIES TOGETHER AND GETS ORGANIZED??? all of you need to tell all your friends to contact jeff and get in the boat. After the berry creek meeting, prop came to one of our meetings, and he attested to the night and day difference. Even with multiple lawyers, a pac, a non profit, about a dozen passionate board members in every useful profession to our cause, heads of asa and norml chapters, and a hundred or so head count at every meeting, we still are having issues and fighting tooth and nail.

As tanker ton pointed out, there's a lot of issues with code enforcement in butte, including due process involved with the fines. If you have fault with a part then you have fault with the whole. This is part of the battle, you will take some damage. If everyone doesn't comply.or pay them, and then everyone unites and possibly go class action, all the illegal fining outside of due process will be great court fodder. A couple grand, wtf are you guys doing complaining about a couple grand? How badly do you want to grow herb? I've contributed over 12k here in yuba, hundreds of hours of my time, and act as a communications lynch pin. If you want to join this fight and actually do something, as I've said before, it will consume a lot of your time and money, as I'm sure prop is finding out, whom I think you all owe a big thanks to him because you have no idea of how much time and thought goes into this stuff.
 

Shcrews

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yea man its pretty fucking mind blowing. they use the inspection warrant which barely needs any probably cause apparently, yet execute the inspection warrant in the exact same fashion as a criminal search warrant. they detained my friend and forced him to stand outside while they searched every single space on the property...
thats the same tactic they used at my place last year, showed up while i was making breakast. The whole force in vests , guns drawn, and searched the place, while the sergeant yelled and threatened me with arrest/jail for being over our plant count. even though it is a municipal code.
 

jd123

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Prop come to oregon man. Were somewhat in shambles but its way better than there. Commercial licensing will be offered next year, you can still do 48 plant medical gardens. Epic made the transition. I think our state is making forward progress instead of taking steps back like California. Im finishing up a new spot as we speak.
 

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^nice, yea i heard a few friends have been venturing up that ways as well. but i read OR is planning on limited medical as well and giving local control to counties so i feel like it might play out the same way as CA.

schrews- yup, pretty fucking surreal that we live in a state where the cops show up 5 cars deep with bolt cutters and guns, just to issue a fucking permit violation for electrical and plumbing. just un believable how measure A has allowed the biggest constitutional violation and police state proliferation i have ever witnessed.


jeff is still pushing for this whole administrative hearing deal. and since no one has been willing to be a test case i dont even know if it works??
 

tankerton

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I wasn't at the meeting last night. I'm up in Ashland trying to get a spot right now. Oregon is kind of hectic but thats because these fools are all putting 60 plants on 2 acre parcels. The way I figure it is get up here get a season under my belt pay off the land and if they change things at least I own property in a nice area. My friends keep saying that they are going to have to go down to 48 but they all seem scared to go above 60 as it is. I told him wait until the entire north state starts moving up this way and see how many of them are afraid of putting 96 out. I know peeps in Butte would be pretty cool with doing 48 right now. I also went and checked out a lot in trinity pines that a friend of a friend had. Wtf is wrong with that place. If you thought Butte was bad take a drive up there some time. It was so trashily spectacular I couldn't even explain it.

I hear what your saying about Jeff. While I know his intentions are in the right place. I really feel like its irresponsible to be referring people to Zeke. Is that dude even a lawyer? He is way too cocky and to me thats really off-putting. I myself am a scholar of the Mckenzie way of doing things. He really helped me out keeping me level headed when i was full of piss and vinegar over the county keeping one of my properties red tagged for 19 months even though i had paid the engineer and applied for my permits the day after I was cited. I know Rob is going to advise his clients to do whats in their best interest and that is avoiding a confrontation because right now the cards are stacked against us but I don't know if I can buy it anymore.

Zeke does have some very good points though. If you don't contest them how are we ever going to know if what they are doing is truly legal. First you would have to get fined, lose your hearing and then sue them so it is a tactical gamble. I certainly know i'm not taking legal advise from a guy that thinks he's a sovereign citizen. I am from the east coast and that shits just way to bizarre for me. I would like a real lawyer to explain the ins and outs of this stuff and tell me where we may have a leg to stand on and what we should attack. At the end of the meeting I told zeke if he was so confident that I would pay him, pay for the hearing, and fines if he would sit on my couch and wait for them to come back. If he's such a master he could show us how its all done but he wasn't up for the challenge.

They didn't give us a marijuana citation. We told them to bug off once they got to the door so we have been kind of waiting for them to show back up because they already saw everything. That shit you said about the searches freaked me out so I had some peoples go clean the house and property from head to toe. You never know what could be laying around the ranch. They were figure 8'ing from 50-100 ft. for an hour and a half on thursday so we know its just a matter of time. I have my solar security camera at the gate and also going to hook up a security system inside the house when I get home. We need a to get a mom and dad and some kids on the team and have all this shit on video tape. Detaining children while you do a "code violation" search would be viewed very poorly by the public especially from a non grower.

The thought of not being able to plant this season has been killing me. I feel myself walking around in circles with no purpose or direction and it sucks. We were only going to do 24 and 36 plant gardens as it was, so not being able to do anything at all was the very last thing I expected. I am a farmer and this is bullshit.
 

Yes4Prop215

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He really helped me out keeping me level headed when i was full of piss and vinegar over the county keeping one of my properties red tagged for 19 months even though i had paid the engineer and applied for my permits the day after I was cited.

At the end of the meeting I told zeke if he was so confident that I would pay him, pay for the hearing, and fines if he would sit on my couch and wait for them to come back. If he's such a master he could show us how its all done but he wasn't up for the challenge.

You never know what could be laying around the ranch. They were figure 8'ing from 50-100 ft. for an hour and a half on thursday so we know its just a matter of time.

The thought of not being able to plant this season has been killing me. I feel myself walking around in circles with no purpose or direction and it sucks. We were only going to do 24 and 36 plant gardens as it was, so not being able to do anything at all was the very last thing I expected. I am a farmer and this is bullshit.

i hear you 100% man, get your posts up or drop me a way to contact you. would love to know more about your issue with the red tag. i have the engineers coming early next week to begin the topographical and erosion control surveys. i talked to a friend of a friend who was out in feather falls who got sued and said his grading violations cost him close to 30k in fines, fees permits and lawyer costs. but now he's fully permitted to have an "organic garden"…rob says the key to it all is getting the permitting process started before they issue any red tag.

i said the same exact thing about zeke. if he's so confident than why won't he do shit! he gives all this advice and shit and then at the end of the day has a hands off approach of "I'm just teaching education"..something is fishy with him and i dont like how he's commandeering the meetings like he's our leader. yesterday people all just eventually walked out during his lecture and we had a separate 2nd meeting outside lol.

same here man, i havent been this depressed ever. all my friends and workers are the same way, just downright baffled and angry at how we are getting hassled to much, treated like we are fucking 2nd class citizens. i seriously dont know a single grower who hasn't been hassled by code enforcement, their enforcement is going way beyond what anyone ever imagined. we thought they would be going after the huge 99 plant gardens but they are getting everybody from a tiny 20 foot greenhouse to people with NO damn plants on the property at all! i know 3-4 people who have NO GROWS and were still visited by code enforcement. what kind of fucking place do we live in where cops show up 6 deep with guns to hand out a fucking electrical permit violation.
 

tankerton

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In my case I hired the engineer and applied for permit the day after they came. The key is not getting sued by which hiring the engineer and applying for the permit immediately, covers. Everyone who got sued either ignored or didn't have the money to remedy immediately. They red tagged me the day they came out so that was already a done deal. I only moved 225 yards and I did it in the right place so my 3/4 acre flat pad only had 3-4 cut and fills it was certainly not the environmental disaster that the chicoer and every other news agency ran with. Out of all those red tags they issued in 2013 not one had any serious detrimental effects on the environment but regardless was wrong of me to do in retrospect. If we are going to claim to be stewards of the land we should probably do things like grading and buildings to code. Also if you graded near a creek or stream or on a very steep slope that could trigger environmental health monitoring which could get costly.

At one point Rob was telling me that they could not red tag you for something that was done one full calendar year before hand. I don't know if he is still sticking to this or not and the last I talked to him about it, it was an issue him and the county were debating. All told it cost me about 10 grand but that is basically what a grading permit costs. The key is and this is where I screwed the pooch. THINK FUTURE DEVELOPMENT!!!! I am kicking my self now for not having another spot engineered for a barn, greenhouse, pad, pond, house pad etc. If you plan out what you want to do on your property it should cost roughly the same price to grade more areas than what you have already done. Now if you have not been retagged it might be a bit cheaper because you may not have to go through environmental review but if your in the foothills, they may make everyone go through the ceqa which takes a long time.

I used Northstar they were ok, nothing spectacular, definitely didn't get me any favors and were probably the most expensive out there. You could probably save a grand on someone else. All in all it was a giant pain in the ass but the county didn't come until sept. 15 so I was able to harvest and I grew on it last year while it was still red tagged. It prevented me from building my cabin until this spring which is almost now completed and I am very proud of. Whoever the county lawyer is, is a real DICK. At my hearing which was the 2nd of the red tags approved, he was so pissed that they were clearing the properties. He sat in his desk at the supervisors meeting and was like and to all you growers in the crowd don't think we aren't looking at everything you do. We're coming for you. Not his exact words but pretty close. I thought it was super unprofessional.

Its good to hear that other people are seeing the same things with zeke. Honestly the guy isn't a grower and he isn't a lawyer so I really don't know why he is around. Once I am back around I am down to have a meeting with likeminded peeps. And the Butte Rippers didn't get to my depo in time so now I'm in the game and I am going to make sure they know they ripped the wrong gate off the hinges.
 

tankerton

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And On a side note my property is officially approved as an "organic medical marijuana garden." the county made NorthStar amend it to say that I presume,so that whenever you google my business it is attached to that phrasing
 

Sunfire

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You can't pm until 50 posts bro but I'm sure prop will get you hooked up.

Yeah they denied us but we have a whole other slew of standings that we are going to file and be back in court June first. There's been confirmation that they are hurting for money and are preaching to the church goers to raise more money to eradicate the evil growers. There's a rumor though that the county may want to strike a deal. We work off consensus now and we will chose our next route as a whole. They will either accept our terms or we will file the next round of suits and I want to talk to eric about taking the voters rights to federal court, even if it's a dead end I'll fund it just to keep the county busy and blowing dough, I feel sorry for the honest citizens whose tax money is being wasted. We also are continuing with the water initiative and the recall campaign papers will be ready monday to start circulating.
 
Thanks Sunfire. I will see if I can help out anywhere else on the forum to get my posts up. I've been following this thread for a while and appreciate everything you all are doing.
 
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