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oldCounty

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Here's a better question, why do I get fucked when I choose to truck water in insteadof hooking into and depleting the water that my neighbors use?

Both measures are shit. Crying about insignificant things.
 

Yes4Prop215

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mojave if you support measure A go elsewhere, stop instigating shit in here.... you guys are cluttering up this thread with your bullshit, this is for butte county growers to learn about whats going on the county with this unconstitutional ordinance that is negatively impacting lots of local people. you aren't even from here so why do you care about measure A so much.
 

Urbngroz

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They're just trolls with nothing better to do. I cant find any info on that prop A case being delayed, can anyone post up links?
 

Yes4Prop215

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I've heard both sides need to come up with proof at this point…but at least one battle is being fought.

you're right butte has gone the way of the stone age, fuck the whole government there for supporting measure A. hopefully over in neighboring Yuba they will put a good fight and get their ban overturned. butte's measure A is gonna be hard to beat because of the vote, but the Yuba BOS overstepped their authority and things look more promising over there.
 

CanniDo Cowboy

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And so it is... One of the poorest counties in Nor Cal wasting more tax payer dollars attempting to stop something that for the most part generates more revenue than anything they could dream up. There must be more to be gained from remaining broke and getting all the state/taxpayer funded hand outs...I just dont get it. Putting the whole 215 thing in the hands of county developmental service morons who do nothing more than blindly stumble around while collecting a taxpayer paid pay check should never have happened. What a complete and utter sham...cc

http://www.chicoer.com/general-news/20150404/butte-county-supervisors-to-hear-enforcement-update-on-measure-a-marijuana-growing-area-rules

Butte County supervisors to hear enforcement update on Measure A marijuana growing area rules
By Ryan Olson, Chico Enterprise-Record
POSTED: 04/04/15, 11:17 PM PDT | 0 COMMENTS
Know and Go

What: Butte County Board of Supervisors meeting

When: 9 a.m., Tuesday

Where: County Administration Building, 25 County Center Drive

Oroville >> The Butte County Board of Supervisors will hear a brief update on the ongoing enforcement of Measure A during its Tuesday meeting.

Approved by county voters last year, Measure A limits the physical size of outdoor medical marijuana grows based on the size of a resident’s property. Garden sizes range from 50 square feet on smaller lot to 150 square feet on the largest parcels.

Four medical marijuana patients are suing the county, saying the measure violates state law and prevents them from growing enough cannabis necessary to meet the needs of themselves and some family members.

The matter is pending in Butte County Superior Court, but county officials stressed that the measure remains in effect and is being enforced, despite some assertions to the contrary on social media networks.

County Counsel Bruce Alpert said the case was in court last week to hear the county’s request to have the case dismissed by demurrer. He said the county argued the original complaint didn’t seek any cause of action, even if the plaintiffs’ allegations were true.

The matter was deemed moot after the plaintiffs filed an updated complaint. Alpert said the county is going to file a demurrer on the updated complaint, to be heard by the court early next month.

The court hasn’t made any ruling on Measure A, aside from denying the plaintiffs’ Feb. 24 request for a temporary restraining order, Alpert said.

County Chief Administrative Officer Paul Hahn said Tuesday’s update would address the court case as well as a report on current enforcement efforts from Tim Snellings, director of the development services department.

Hahn said preliminary numbers last week showed there were 53 cases with six citations issued. Most of the cases are inactive, which he said appeared to indicate that many growers are in compliance and staying in the box.

Tuesday’s item is geared to update the board about ongoing activity as the growing season gets underway. The board isn’t scheduled to discuss the policy, although the lawsuit is also on the board’s closed-session agenda.

The board meets at 9 a.m. at the Board of Supervisors Chambers at the County Administration Building, 25 County Center Drive, Oroville.
 
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oldCounty

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Hahn said preliminary numbers last week showed there were 53 cases with six citations issued.

[/quote]county officials stressed that the measure remains in effect and is being enforced, despite some assertions to the contrary on social media networks.[/quote]
Am I reading this right ? I've seen them flying since February, and they are only at 53 cases/6 violations for the whole county? Fucking awesome if so. I talked to another person that got the visit over vegetables, hopefully they use up a huge chunk of their budget with this early targeting and they have to readjust for the actual season.
 

oldCounty

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I may try and go to the meeting, but, i'm not sure it's worth hearing the sheriffs biased report on their alleged "success."

Any thoughts? Anyone been to a board meeting with the sheriff talking about MMJ growers before? I'd hate to waste my time to just see old people fed propaganda.
 

mojave green

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if it were me, i'd spend less time ranting on the internet and more time researching the law. i would also represent myself in court. it's not that hard. discovery is where ya kill em! course they gonna crawl up your ass too but believe me, the gubmit got a lot more to hide than most.
i still don't understand why this has not been litigated as discrimination against disabled? bone up.
http://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/126/330.html
http://plan.abag.ca.gov/members/rmm/Land%20Use%20Decisions%20Best%20Practices.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/California-Land-Use-Planning-Law-ebook/dp/B00JU99GAM
:biggrin:
 

oneofus

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now it begins in earnest...


http://www.orovillemr.com/general-news/20150406/butte-county-supervisors-to-hear-enforcement-update-on-measure-a-marijuana-growing-area-rules


Butte County supervisors to hear enforcement update on Measure A marijuana growing area rules

Oroville >> The Butte County Board of Supervisors will hear a brief update on the ongoing enforcement of Measure A during its Tuesday meeting.
Approved by county voters last year, Measure A limits the physical size of outdoor medical marijuana grows based on the size of a resident’s property. Garden sizes range from 50 square feet on smaller lot to 150 square feet on the largest parcels.
Four medical marijuana patients are suing the county, saying the measure violates state law and prevents them from growing enough cannabis necessary to meet the needs of themselves and some family members.

The matter is pending in Butte County Superior Court, but county officials stressed that the measure remains in effect and is being enforced, despite some assertions to the contrary on social media networks.
County Counsel Bruce Alpert said the case was in court last week to hear the county’s request to have the case dismissed by demurrer. He said the county argued the original complaint didn’t seek any cause of action, even if the plaintiffs’ allegations were true.
The matter was deemed moot after the plaintiffs filed an updated complaint. Alpert said the county is going to file a demurrer on the updated complaint, to be heard by the court early next month.

The court hasn’t made any ruling on Measure A, aside from denying the plaintiffs’ Feb. 24 request for a temporary restraining order, Alpert said.
County Chief Administrative Officer Paul Hahn said Tuesday’s update would address the court case as well as a report on current enforcement efforts from Tim Snellings, director of the development services department.
Hahn said preliminary numbers last week showed there were 53 cases with six citations issued. Most of the cases are inactive, which he said appeared to indicate that many growers are in compliance and staying in the box.

Tuesday’s item is geared to update the board about ongoing activity as the growing season gets underway. The board isn’t scheduled to discuss the policy, although the lawsuit is also on the board’s closed-session agenda.
The board meets at 9 a.m. at the Board of Supervisors Chambers at the County Administration Building, 25 County Center Drive, Oroville.
Reach reporter Ryan Olson at facebook.com/NorCalJustice and 896-7763.


BTW,they are also redoing the budget to try and add 6 more cops...
 

milkyjoe

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I assume cannabis is a big part of butte's economy. If you assume govt Is not totally retarded...and maybe they are. Is anyone buying land in the county? You might wanna be watching. In fact you might wanna be watching local officials, or various holding companies. Any buying right now would be suspicious
 

oneofus

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I assume cannabis is a big part of butte's economy. If you assume govt Is not totally retarded...and maybe they are. Is anyone buying land in the county? You might wanna be watching. In fact you might wanna be watching local officials, or various holding companies. Any buying right now would be suspicious


I don't think anyone is going to buy any property just yet. They're waiting for the prices to fall first. Which it seems that they have already started to. Just look at cl ads...
 

Yes4Prop215

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just absolutely fucking ridiculous…they are using this to invade peoples properties and finding fruit and veggies. do most of these people who let them on their land even realize their rights are being violated? what the fuck is wrong with these morons..

and asking for 6 more cops…this is just getting out of control just last year they were claiming they barely had enough money to keep the sheriff staffed.

this is about money….they need to lose enough money on measure A for them to get rid of it. and only 4 patients filing lawsuits isn't gonna do it….sucks there is much else to do it seems some of the other groups aren't very organized. we need help from the city lawyers and real marijuana teams, although i have heard that big lobbying groups like normL and ASA are supportive of these local county bans off the record because it opens the area up to corporate setup.
 

CanniDo Cowboy

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Butte County residents are fools to let this county engineered, dog and pony show continue at the expense of taxpayers. But then, its really too late. Butte County isnt about to back down now - too much egg on too many faces...I do have to question the Oroville 4's defense attorney who said- " They did a bad job - They violated peoples rights...? LOL, he's gonna need to come out a little more stronger than that...cc

Enforcement of medical marijuana Measure A now includes 16 citations
By Ryan Olson, Chico Enterprise-Record
POSTED: 04/07/15, 6:00 PM PDT | 0 COMMENTS
Oroville >> Butte County officials provided a clearer picture Tuesday of the effort to enforce Measure A, the voter-approved ordinance regulating the physical size of medical marijuana grows.

County Counsel Bruce Alpert also updated the Board of Supervisors of the lawsuit filed by four medical marijuana patients challenging the measure as unconstitutional. He reiterated that the measure remains in effect, despite posts to the contrary on social media networks.

“We are vigorously enforcing Measure A today,” Alpert said.

Tim Snellings, director of the Butte County development services department, reported to the Board of Supervisors that there have been 74 cases to date, resulting in 16 citations.

That’s an increase from preliminary numbers from March 27, where there were 53 reported cases and 6 issued citations.

The fines incurred from the citations currently total $21,000, although only $3,815 has been paid to date.

Site inspections have also led to the discovery of two marijuana refining labs and five criminal arrests.

Oroville-area Supervisor Bill Connelly said there have been some online postings about the legality of refining labs that use butane oil. District Attorney Mike Ramsey said such labs using chemicals fall under the same law as methamphetamine labs.

“It is illegal and it is being prosecuted,” he said.

Snellings said most of the cases thus far have been indoor grows and officials have seen a number of unpermitted buildings. The largest concentration of grows is around Oroville.

He said much of the growing appears to have moved indoors and the move appears to be due to Measure A’s requirements.

Improper grading still seems to be a problem but it isn’t as bad as before, according to County Administrative Officer Paul Hahn. Chico-area Supervisor Maureen Kirk noted it was still early in the season.

Measure A, which applies to unincorporated areas of the county, sets growing area sizes based on parcel size. Properties of a half-acre or less, may have an indoor growing area of up to 120 square feet.

Indoor or outdoor growing areas may be allowed for properties greater than a half-acre. They range from 50 square feet for parcels less than 5 acres to 150 square feet for lots 10 acres or larger.

Growers also face requirements such as having an occupied residence on the property and a permitted water source or connection.

ENFORCEMENT CHANGES

Of the 74 current cases, 37 are considered inactive. Snellings said the county wouldn’t close most cases like last season so a second violation could lead to a citation. He said some growers took advantage of the county closing cases early last year.

Snellings said county officials have held or scheduled 15 outreach meetings to get the word out about the measure.

He noted some people are rejecting inspection requests, leading officials to obtain warrants. The time for county officials to obtain the inspection warrants has dropped from 24 hours to 30 minutes or less.

Hahn said different county groups are meeting every other week to discuss what’s happening in the field and what could be done better.

Snellings said officials are still seeing aggressive dogs during visits and Animal Control may be needed.

Ramsey said the state Department Fish and Wildlife and Department of Water Resources have formed an interdivision taskforce in response to Butte County’s request to address grow pollution. He noted the task force started working in the Redding area.

LAWSUIT UPDATE

Alpert updated supervisors about the Measure A lawsuit. Four medical marijuana patients have sued, saying the measure is unlawful and prevents them and some family members from obtaining sufficient cannabis to meet their needs.

He said some online posts indicated the county lost during a court hearing last week. There has been no ruling on the merits of the plaintiffs’ lawsuit and the court denied a temporary restraining order to block the law, Alpert said.

Last week’s hearing was to consider the county’s effort to dismiss the case by demurrer. Alpert said the plaintiffs’ original complaint was insufficient because it didn’t specify any cause of action.

The judge determined the county’s demurrer moot because the plaintiffs filed an amended complaint. Alpert said the county would seek a second demurrer next month.

The plaintiffs’ attorney, Scot Candell of San Rafael, acknowledged in a phone interview that Butte County is allowed to enforce Measure A, but officials were stalling with the demurrer.

“They’re not going to win the case on a demurrer,” Candell said.

He said the plaintiffs filed an amended complaint because the causes of action were originally in footnotes and not in the main body.

With the temporary restraining order denied, he said the next step was to seek a preliminary injunction, which could be granted if a judge determines there is a significant likelihood of the plaintiffs prevailing. Because of the county’s motions, Candell said that matter likely won’t be considered until June or July — which is late in the outdoor growing season.

Candell said the county could set regulations, but the plaintiffs are claiming that the county did it wrong. He said the law was unconstitutional because some people are allowed to grow medicine and others aren’t.

“They did a bad job and it violates people’s rights,” Candell said



http://www.chicoer.com/general-news/20150407/enforcement-of-medical-marijuana-measure-a-now-includes-16-citations
 

Yes4Prop215

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that article is just face palm all around….just total stupidity on the part of the BOS and local government who are just shamelessly wasting taxpayer money, all the while violating peoples right to due process and privacy. that article pretty much stayed on my mind all day….

first off…shit sure is dead in butte county for supposedly having 3000 grows. there sure isn't alot of organization or much of a fight being put up against measure A. but i guess i am guilty of that as well, since right now most people are trying to prepare for the season and not get busted or raise attention. signing onto a lawsuit sure as hell will put one in the spotlight which i most definately need. thats why i am taking kind of a sneaky route and just moving to another county close by as a hedge against having to shut down in butte.

second, lets check out the numbers for measure A so far. 700k to enforce it, costing roughly 60k a month. Meanwhile, they have been enforcing it for two months, charging only 20k in citations and of that only 3800 paid. the county is losing over 50k a month on measure A enforcement.

also, very interesting and also very worrying. they are claiming to get "inspection warrants" in 30 minutes now, instead of 24 hours. so that means even if you deny the inspection request they will just chop your lock and enter anyways within minutes. WHAT the hell are inspection warrants and how are they different than regular search warrants. HOW IS THAT NOT TOTAL BULLSHIT…that refusal of a government inspection is grounds for search. I'm consulting a lawyer on this exact issue as we speak, and awaiting clarification.


WE NEED MORE LAWSUITS! more violations of 4th amendment rights to open up litigation, more clutter to clog up their mess. more false tips!! if every grower called in just one fake complaint, and we stuck about 1000 properties onto their agenda, at 1-2 hours per property to investigate, imagine how much time that will buy us until harvest! so please people, go hit walmart get a 25 dollar phone and call in a tip on that asshole in the neighborhood who had a measure A sign in their front yard!
 

Yes4Prop215

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another article…claims they are still complaint based. so flood those tip lines with false complaints people! its very simple, fake phone, fake name. use a zillow listing as your address if they ask for one. Pick a property on the real estate market that is empty, or target specific neighbors or measure A supporters houses. Call in or fill out the form.

I can't wait until some of these measure A supporters feel their rights get violated when code enforcement shows up and barges their way in to check for grows.

Apr 7, 2015 5:35 PM by Brian Johnson
The person in charge of enforcing Butte County's new medical marijuana ordinance briefed county supervisors on case statistics and trends they're seeing this morning.

Just like the last time we checked in with Chris Jellison, all of the cases code enforcement officers have dealt with so far have been indoor grows. Regardless, they've still seized thousands of plants.

Recently, Butte County Code Enforcement had to go get another inspection warrant to get on a property in Palermo.

"It was a very, very, very large grow house," Jellison said. "So it came in a complaint as far as somebody was seeing it lit up at night."

When code enforcement officers came back with the warrant, officers found 300 plants, and after searching some outbuildings, seized more than 600 plants.

They also found a butane honey oil lab, the second of the year.

To date, Jellison and his team have taken on 74 cases, 37 no longer active, another 35 still open.

Twenty four of those are pending review.

The county has issued 16 citations and five people have been arrested by the Butte County Sheriff's Office, including one person from the bust in Palermo.

Like the Palermo case, all cases start with a citizen complaint, Jellison said.

"We are not proactive, we're strictly reactive," Jellison said. "So we receive the complaint and some people have asked to be contacted back and some have not."

As for trends, Jellison said his team is seeing a lot of unpermitted structures and electrical wiring.

Most cases have been in the Oroville area, like one on Viewcrest drive a month ago that landed two Oregon men in the Butte County Jail.

Despite receiving some complaints of outdoor grows, none have been looked at, he said.

But Jellison expects to, as he says the outdoor grow season is nearing.

Meanwhile, Butte County officials are filing a new challenge to the Measure A lawsuit that's still in the works, which is expected to be heard in court sometime in early May.
 

Urbngroz

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That's an excellent idea on fake calls. That would make it impossible to tell a real call from a fake. How would they continue enforcement? The tip line is their weapon why not turn it on them?
 
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