Butte County

[Yes4Prop215]

snitching is never an option....NEVER don't care what the other side is doing.

I'm sorry you misunderstood the reasoning behind the anonymous tip line. It is not snitching, snitching is giving police information or cooperating in an investigation that enables the system to get charges on someone in a criminal case. That is not the case with the false tips because there is no criminal charges.

There is the risk of accidentally calling in a tip on a property that just so happens to have a grow, so maybe we shouldn't do that at random. However, knowing specific people in your community, who voted for Measure A and the unconstitutional property searches, should be subjected to those searches so they know the severity of what they voted for. These people are celebrating growers going to jail, they are openly commending the sheriffs unit busting people for weed. The only way for them to learn their mistakes is to be subjected to the unconstitutional results of their vote.

The end goal is to clog up their tip line and destroy the credibility of the entire process. The anonymous tip line is their main weapon this year fighting against US. Im really surprised some of you think that this is narcing, you are taking that term way to broad here. THIS IS WAR, you have to use their weapons against them. If theres no criminal charges its not even close to "snitching"….the only understandable negative is accidentally tipping the wrong property. so i would only encourage this if you have a specific 100% verified subject.

maybe call in tips on public land and in the forest? most real estate listings are empty and dont have any grows or residents who could get caught up. if its really that questionable of a tactic than maybe we just drop it then and let the BCSO and code enforcement make the best use of their time busting growers instead.

 

[IGROWMYOWN]

I feel you prop I can tell this means a lot to you ...I wouldn't do it but I'm also not fighting for my right to grow up there so... Doesn't seem kosher to me calling a tip line on other growers any way you slice it but I think we come from different backgrounds with different life experiences and I don't know the ways up there so I'll fall back. it sucks I feel you want them to learn their lesson and no criminal charges are being filed but still calling a tip line just doesn't feel right but that's me gotta do what you gotta do its war. In my world calling a tip line criminal charges or not would be considered snitching you're from the bay right ask some of your real hood associates or cats that been to state what they think about this I've seen guys get "jackets" for less. Good luck with whatever you decide to do ps I stole a lot of your info for my first outdoor down here in so cal mountains so thanks for that I really do wish you good luck and a successful season.

 

[oneofus]

I really hope this is not mis-interpreted.

I really hope this is not mis-interpreted.

I'm sorry you misunderstood the reasoning behind the anonymous tip line. It is not snitching, snitching is giving police information or cooperating in an investigation that enables the system to get charges on someone in a criminal case. That is not the case with the false tips because there is no criminal charges.

There is the risk of accidentally calling in a tip on a property that just so happens to have a grow, so maybe we shouldn't do that at random. However, knowing specific people in your community, who voted for Measure A and the unconstitutional property searches, should be subjected to those searches so they know the severity of what they voted for. These people are celebrating growers going to jail, they are openly commending the sheriffs unit busting people for weed. The only way for them to learn their mistakes is to be subjected to the unconstitutional results of their vote.

The end goal is to clog up their tip line and destroy the credibility of the entire process. The anonymous tip line is their main weapon this year fighting against US. Im really surprised some of you think that this is narcing, you are taking that term way to broad here. THIS IS WAR, you have to use their weapons against them. If theres no criminal charges its not even close to "snitching"….the only understandable negative is accidentally tipping the wrong property. so i would only encourage this if you have a specific 100% verified subject.

maybe call in tips on public land and in the forest? most real estate listings are empty and dont have any grows or residents who could get caught up. if its really that questionable of a tactic than maybe we just drop it then and let the BCSO and code enforcement make the best use of their time busting growers instead.

ok...I'm going to float a trial (pun intended) balloon here based on what prop said here^^.

If stipulated to the argument that this IS war, then should ANY thing be left "on the table"? (unused for whatever reason, moral or otherwise)?...then how about really taking this to the enemy targeting specific people that are LEO and/or their family members maybe even some code enforcement people etc. who are known...and I REPEAT...known growers.

I am well aware of how close to the line this is. It does not make me happy to even contemplate such a thing. But I ask you. ALL of you....where DO we draw the "line"?

Some food for thought:

Vince Lombardi once said to a reporter when asked if winning is the most important thing. To which he tersely replied: "Winning is not the most important thing. It is the ONLY thing."

How much do you want to win?

How far do you want to go to win?

Only you can decide your own fate...

 

[Yes4Prop215]

thanks for the insight Igrowmyown….let me explain a little better. I also came from a criminal background before i ever got into growing, grew up some folks from the hood and others just straight criminals so i feel like i know what is and isn't considered snitching. i feel like my motive was misconstrued with my original post because my choice of words was sloppy and i even used the word.


i feel like this comparison explains it better. would be bank robbers calling in a false tip of a bank robbery at another bank to get the heat off them, would that be considered snitching? i feel like it only remotely enters that realm in the small percentage they accidentally call in a false tip on another bank being robbed by another crew. aka, calling in a false tip on a property that just so happened to have a grow in the backyard they didn't know about.

OK i can understand that, small likelihood of that happening, but i can understand how that is not a good result of this motive.

but if there is no risk of that happening, you were 100% sure the anonymous tip would just lead to some dead end remote property with no grow, or lead to a staunch measure A supporter who is constantly celebrating the busts of growers getting hassled for 15 minutes by local cops wasting their time, i still do not see that as snitching.

i know of instances where criminals who have called the cops on shit to get away from crime, i.e. a guy getting pulled over so he called in a fake police call about shots fired a few blocks away so they have to scramble units there. a group of guys calling in a false tip of a party in one park on the other side of the district so that they can throw an event in another park, etc etc. some females want to shoplift from the shoe section so they send a decoy to act hot and pretend to shoplift near the jewelry section. I see the false tip line falling in line with these, simple tactics meant to distract our enemy. but yes, there is still the small chance of someone getting caught up inadvertently, aka the false tip about a party and theres actually a party there and they get raided, or the distracting shoplifters actually mess up some other shoplifting crew who were stealing jewelry, etc

I hope that clarifies it a bit…..if this plan is to work we need to shift the false calls into the victimless department so theres no chance of of people getting caught up. so yes no randomly picking properties in the neighborhood, specific empty properties must be selected so theres no chance of anyone inadvertently getting caught up.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Cool man , I got what you were saying in your first post and know that's what you meant , I just don't think that's the best approach. I don't have a better one , I just know I'm not down with that one.

 

[topshelf_sac]

I'm posting to follow along. I've got some interest in butte and yuba.

 

[Sunfire]

Here's what you guys need to do...FORM A UNION! LIKE NOW!!!

In yuba we are waiting until we hear back from the supreme court on Wednesday, that's right, we took it to the Supreme court! If we don't get a favorable ruling, we will be starting a union. If you guys do the same, and other counties, we can unite into a single northern California cannabis union with a team of lawyers and lobbyists! This would be greatly beneficial for 2016 so we don't end up as another Colorado or Washington or Oregon where once again, all the power is in the hands of the corrupt politicians.

I will share with you my proposed model to start...

100 members at a 5k buy in initially. The monthly union dues will have to be adjusted as we see how much money we spend on lawyers. That makes 5 pit bull lawyers on top priority retainer of 100k each! You also have free supporter membership for local business and people who don't grow, and will not need the lawyer protection, but want to support the growers and the local small business economy and fight against the large corporations who are simply trying to snuff out the smaller competition in preperation for 2016, which is exactly what's going on, Soper wheeler and the rice farms are officially on board with that and who know what others big businisses. The free supporter membership will help make your union larger and stronger with more signatures for initiatives and more clout in court.

Butte, start your union NOW and unite with yuba! I've already big talking with many intelligent folk here in yuba about this. One of them is extremely law savy and runs a cancer patient collective. We are really estimating we can have 200 members within a week or two.

This IS war. Unions are what have saved the smaller folk in the past. As I said before, we must take off the hippy garbs, and shake hands of politicians we previously would not want to have. The rice farmers and Soper wheeler have already made their deal with the local governments. There are more and more counties enacting complete outdoor bans since sacramento, fresno, and Shasta first started. Lake County in trying to do it, El Dorado county is moving in that direction, and there's rumors nevada county might do the same.

I know a nevada county union could easily be formed as well! We must band together! Call the aclu, all of you, tell all your friends, call the aclu and complain about how they are stepping all over you civil liberties! Especially in butte, the enforcement is bragging about obtaining a warrant in 30 minutes based off of an anonymous tip, wtf?!?

 

[oneofus]

In all seriousness will someone please skool me why the approach I suggested is wrong?

 

[mojave green]

http://wetip.com/submit-anonymous-tip-2/

 

[plastochron]

Cool man , I got what you were saying in your first post and know that's what you meant , I just don't think that's the best approach. I don't have a better one , I just know I'm not down with that one.

MF said it best: "honor amongst crooks, trust among royalty"

sure as shit not calling anyone crooks or royalty, though crooked royalty may not be out of the question.

as long as you've got a code and you honor it, no judgement passed on you can stick... though it sure as shit may not get you out of a judgement from some misguided bureaucrats. at least it mostly gets treated like a nuisance or zoning issue... hard to be glad about it but it could be worse.

all i know is that blessed are those who get on their soapbox and fight this shit in court. if only those among us who cannot or will not be this voice could support those defiant patriots willing to step out of the shadows and stare these motherfuckers straight in the deadlights.

 

[mendo-local]

If the person who runs the bank calls on the other bank to take heat off ..... snitching.

 

[Clsmooth415]

What I wanna know is how in the hell they found 70+ indoor grows? I have a hard time believing that many people snitched. Are they pulling pge records or doin sometime of infrared flyovers? I figured measure a was just to clip the wings of big outdoor growers. But they are actually busting indoor grows. Anyone have any insight? If they are doin some shit like that, I would fully expect folks to call in to try and flood the tip line with bullshit addresses.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Cool man , I got what you were saying in your first post and know that's what you meant , I just don't think that's the best approach. I don't have a better one , I just know I'm not down with that one.

I am scrapping that plan and not going with it anymore, the small chance that a false tip could lead to someone inadvertently getting hassled is not worth it. I had a extremely long talk with many people today about this subject, it was decided that there are other risks involved that are hard to control and not worth it overall. For example, even calling in a false tip on a verified measure A supporter who is not growing, could lead to growers getting hassled once CE makes contact with subject, they could blame their neighbors for the false tip and then submit a real tip on a grow site that would have been safe regardless.

My good homie who came up in the portrero hill alemany PJs did not think it was snitching, he described it as a "prank that could go wrong and backfire"…the word snitch does not apply here unless you are blatantly calling in tips on people you know are growers. But even calling in an anonymous tip on a bare piece of land, there is just that tiny risk that someone camping out or just drinking a beer could get hassled by the cops and thats not what we want, not the goal here.

The goal is to disable the enemys main weapon of war. The anonymous tip line is their strongest tool right now, it has to be attacked somehow. Hood homie thought someone should just constantly call their hotline and ask questions and waste time, etc. But right now the biggest weapon we have is the court lawsuit, which they are already preparing to fight. so 95% of growers here are just gonna sit back and pray something positive happens with the lawsuit. other than that the only options are sit, fight and pray you dont get raided, and plan other options like moving out of the county or hiring extra counsel.

this is not a thread to debate the morality of tips, so end of discussion in that regard. this is a thread to learn about how to fight this god damn ordinance, we explored an idea that seemed good at first but outside opinion clarified its drawbacks. until then, we will just let code enforcement bust growers than hassle some poor measure A supporter.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

What I wanna know is how in the hell they found 70+ indoor grows? I have a hard time believing that many people snitched. Are they pulling pge records or doin sometime of infrared flyovers? I figured measure a was just to clip the wings of big outdoor growers. But they are actually busting indoor grows. Anyone have any insight? If they are doin some shit like that, I would fully expect folks to call in to try and flood the tip line with bullshit addresses.

they are mostly greenhouses not actual indoor grows, the tips coming in are mostly related to unpermitted greenhouses that most growers have illuminated with supp lighting, making them stand out to neighbors. in the last case they claimed the neighbors could see the lights in the GH and complained about that, what a petty fucking complaint. they keep claiming in the news their enforcement is reactive not proactive, and that every single case comes from an anonymous tip.

 

[jackpot7]

If only every grower in Butte donated to some kind of fund to fight this measure A... Unity is strentgh! Prop if you dont mind could you pm who did your pad work for your gh Thanks Respect

 

[Backyard Farmer]

i hate people who don't cover over their green houses and run supplemental light.

i didnt move to the wilderness to see bright ass lights all night.

the neighbors COULD have asked the growers to black out when the lights were on

 

[Yes4Prop215]

it might be annoying but is it worth it to have people busted over such a petty complaint? and much easier for these measure A nimbys to just call code enforcement than actually try to talk to their neighbors. measure A is pretty much a way for these people to just kick out their neighbors they dont like, and probably never met, just based on their negative assumptions of growers.

thats the kind of people we are dealing with measure A, people have no qualms or reservations about snitching on growers and ruining peoples lives.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Most neighbor disputes can't be solved by talking ...

I know from experience.

I've been battling for years trying to get my neighbor to recognize an easement I have through their place. We are going to court next week over it because they refuse to recognize the easement in their title.

I would hate to have some jackass who thought it was ok to run lights without at least pulling black poly over it.

No one wants to move out to the wilderness and hear generators running to power lights or see lights blaring all over the hillside. At least I don't ... I also don't want to live next to people who want to do shit like that and don't care about my opinion of it... They don't sound like good neighbors .. Probably have trash piles and shitty dogs too

After all the noise and light pollution effects my quality of life ... Which is what everybody is looking for.. Their idea of happiness.

 

[Sunfire]

If only every grower in Butte donated to some kind of fund to fight this measure A... Unity is strentgh! Prop if you dont mind could you pm who did your pad work for your gh Thanks Respect

Ok, butte county residents, please listen to me! I'm very closely ties to the yuba patients coalition and the yuba county growers association;

A) it's harder then you think to get people to donate. You wouldn't believe the responses I got from people that have half million dollar properties and huge grows and didn't want to donate at all! Wtf!

B) we have raised over 70K for the fight and already spent half of it just on legal fees, we took it all the way to the Supreme court and are awaiting to hear back from them wednesday.

C) you can't just sit around waiting for the 1% to do something for you, I'm dead serious, you guys, on this forum, are the activists. You need to form a union ASAP! This is your most powerful tool at the moment!

D) we will be starting a union here if the supreme court doesn't give us a favorable ruling but many people I know want to start one anyways for further protection and preperation for 2016.

E) you can gather signatures for initiatives to fight the BOS and you can start a recall campaign to oust the BOS members.

F) I will be working with nevada county folk and leaders, like their chapters president of the asa, to try and get a union started there. If you guys start a union as well, we can all unite! If we each had atleast 200 members and 5 lawyers, that would then make an intercounty cooperative union with a team of 15 lawyers. We could easily then spread that to other counties!

G) call the god damn ucla! We have called them so many times we have our own case worker there now, megan. They are powerful and can help but so far it's only been talk and no action.

We have been fighting it here in yuba every which way, I do believe we are the only county that took it all the way to the Supreme court. You can blow all the money you want in court and it won't help you most likely. Get a union together, go class action on them! The fact that you guys actually got to do your refferandum, and then lost at the polls, puts you in a situation where courts will not help you. Even if that wasn't the case, they still won't help you after you blew 40k on lawyer fees, as we have experienced here in yuba.

Please listen to me! I know all the coalition and association board members very well, I could probably be a board member too if I wanted to. They are all for the most part very intelligent and seasoned in fighting for medical rights in court as most of them have caught cases previous to this ordinance bullshit. You must unionize. It is your only real hope!

 

[XxCaptiankushxX]

I like the idea of a union. Looks like the wheels will keep falling off if we don't do something soon. Did I read 5k for 100 people and we could retain 5 lawyers. I would be first to sign up and support the union. How do we start. When can we start? Let's do this!