Broad Mites?

[RetroGrow]

Has any one killed Broad Mites with strictly high CO2 before or is that only theoretical at this point? To get 120F I would probably need more space heaters then I could even fit on the ground, it is a wide space with 10' ceiling

After using the Avid 1.5mL/gal 18 & 14 days ago I'm scoping ever day but luckily haven't found them alive again yet...... I still see a few "claw" leafs and pistils going brown though, so I have a fear they are hiding somewhere, although I read the toxic effects from their saliva can extend up to 2 weeks, so maybe its just that. I got a USB scope coming today (it has been a real pain focusing the $12 radio shack 60-100x mini LED one) so maybe I'll find them.

I wlil check everywhere, but where do you guys normally see these things show up first ??? Underside leaf, or would they be in among the buds feeding?

I am using 325mg/gal aspirin NSAID ever since detecting the broads. Anything else would help the plant bounce back?? Are there any SAR or harmin protein products that are a good choice in flower? I lost my entire last round with stunted buds when not knowing I had broads.

THANkS!!!

Undersides of the leaves is where you must check to look for eggs. Eggs are easier to see than mites. By the way, Avid doesn't kill eggs, just mites. Just pull some lower leaves off and examine with your new scope.
No one has documented a regimen of strictly CO2 as of yet, as far as I know.
As for heat, your lights are the main source of heat. Once AC/ventilation are shut off, room temperature rises dramatically. Then just add space heaters as necessary. Not difficult once you have it dialed in.

 

[GreenGuySF]

Undersides of the leaves is where you must check to look for eggs. Eggs are easier to see than mites. By the way, Avid doesn't kill eggs, just mites. Just pull some lower leaves off and examine with your new scope.
No one has documented a regimen of strictly CO2 as of yet, as far as I know.
As for heat, your lights are the main source of heat. Once AC/ventilation are shut off, room temperature rises dramatically. Then just add space heaters as necessary. Not difficult once you have it dialed in.

Thanks dude yea I been checking under leaves so far I haven't see eggs, but with 100x they appear almost exact like trichomes, so I may be missing them. The dead adults you can tell cause they are yellowy. So far nthing moving at least

Anybody else if you know cures beside aspirin to help let the plant recover from the stunted growth from broadmite toxic saliva let me know!!!

THANkS!!!

 

[gaiusmarius]

wow this heat idea is frigging cool, have not had mites for a while now, but this seems like it would be a great way to keep them in check without spraying anything. even stuff like neem pisses me off to use as it will change the quality of the hash made from the trim. i have been just growing stuff from seed a lot to be sure i have a clean grows, that helps, but one wants to be running clones really for best yields, so really it's about finding a strong clone that doesn't attract problems like a magnet. there are plants that will just not interest pests as much, same with pm, some strains seem to be prone, while others never get it under normal growing conditions. this idea of keeping plant sap at 6.4 ph they are talking about in the organics section, that is supposed to insure the plant is so healthy that pests and pm will just not find agreeable living conditions on that plant, is what i find really fascinating too.

how much aspirin are we talking about in the tank btw?

 

[RetroGrow]

wow this heat idea is frigging cool, have not had mites for a while now, but this seems like it would be a great way to keep them in check without spraying anything. even stuff like neem pisses me off to use as it will change the quality of the hash made from the trim. i have been just growing stuff from seed a lot to be sure i have a clean grows, that helps, but one wants to be running clones really for best yields, so really it's about finding a strong clone that doesn't attract problems like a magnet. there are plants that will just not interest pests as much, same with pm, some strains seem to be prone, while others never get it under normal growing conditions. this idea of keeping plant sap at 6.4 ph they are talking about in the organics section, that is supposed to insure the plant is so healthy that pests and pm will just not find agreeable living conditions on that plant, is what i find really fascinating too.

how much aspirin are we talking about in the tank btw?

One 325 MG tablet per gallon of rez is what I use. Uncoated aspirin. This boosts the plants immune system quite a bit, and helps fight against whatever may be attacking/weakening plants. Mitigates the effects of the toxins injected by Broad mites. Can also be used as a foliar spray, although I have gotten better results by drenching. This works on any plant, not just cannabis.

 

[StayBlazinDawg]

I heard of the C02 way to kill spider mites and gave it a whirl, not much in the tank left. I cracked the big ole siphon tank smoked a bowl watched my guage max out and had to leave got a weeeee bit fucked up haha. The C02 really did start to frig with me. I have plenty of predatory mites in my trash cans, so they should be fine. One questions about this method with it kill soil bugs like my predatory mites and litle white worms?

 

[GreenGuySF]

Is this an egg in the center of the pic? It measured .06mm. From the underside of a fan leaf

What scopes do you guys have?? This was 150x, still can't make out the distinguishing bumps

 

[RetroGrow]

Is this an egg in the center of the pic? It measured .06mm. From the underside of a fan leaf

What scopes do you guys have?? This was 150x, still can't make out the distinguishing bumps

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Yes. That's a broad mite egg. You can barely make out the tiny bumps on the surface. Higher magnification will show it better.

 

[whatthe215]

what magnification is necessary to see the actual mites? 200x+?

 

[Phillthy]

i have never seen them or the eggs under 60x loupe.

 

[GreenGuySF]

what magnification is necessary to see the actual mites? 200x+?

You can easily see them moving around with a 60-100X scope - if there are trichs on the plant material it's hard to make them out cause they are almost the same color. Juvys will be the same color as a milky trich while adults are yellowy. Just scope around in the new growth constantly and you should find them. Good luck!!

 

[GreenGuySF]

Yes. That's a broad mite egg. You can barely make out the tiny bumps on the surface. Higher magnification will show it better.

Thanks man... I agree they must still be there, this was a newer leaf.

Would you bother checking til I see a live one, or is it really hard to find one moving unless the infestation is terrible?

Looks like time to buy a propane heater Sheeeeeeit

 

[LEDNewbie]

A question I asked a while back that never got answered and maybe cause nobody knows? Will a broad mite or mite in general lay eggs on material that isn't organic or a leaf? Like wondering if a mite is hanging out one a piece of equipment, will it lay eggs there with nothing to feed on?

 

[RetroGrow]

Thanks man... I agree they must still be there, this was a newer leaf.

Would you bother checking til I see a live one, or is it really hard to find one moving unless the infestation is terrible?

Looks like time to buy a propane heater Sheeeeeeit

You can see them with a 100X, but it isn't easy. For one thing, they hide from the light. Another thing is they are translucent, so can be difficult to see even with a scope. The key is to have a bright light on the leaves you are inspecting. Think LED flashlight bright. But, again, the eggs are much easier to see than the mites, depending on the level of infestation. The thing is, it does not take many of these to do damage, even as small as they are, as they inject toxins into the plant as part of their digestive process. Aspirin helps the plant defend against these toxins. 325 MG. per gallon of nutrient solution throughout the grow.
Get an electric heater (but not one that has a thermostat) rather than propane, as propane can be dangerous indoors, giving off carbon monoxide.
Unless it's in your garage or somewhere where the fumes won't get to you.
If there are eggs, something is laying them
Once they are in your environment, they get everywhere because of their size, and will keep coming back, hence the need for regular treatment.

 

[whatthe215]

100x scope. mite eggs?

 

[RetroGrow]

100x scope. mite eggs?
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Yup.
These things are epidemic now.
Seems like they are everywhere.
Dispensaries selling clones are spreading them all over.
Makes one think about growing from seed only, then making selections and your own clones.
I would be hesitant to buy any clones. Even walking into the dispensaries that are contaminated exposes you, as they can get on your clothes, shoes, etc.
One would think that dispensaries would inspect their clones better to prevent this from happening, but they keep selling contaminated clones.
Anyway, however you got them, welcome to the club.
You have your work cut out for you now and have to stay on top of these continuously, as they will return once they get into your space.
By the way, those look like cyclamen mite eggs, but no difference really. Same treatment.

 

[whatthe215]

Yup.
These things are epidemic now.
Seems like they are everywhere.
Dispensaries selling clones are spreading them all over.
Makes one think about growing from seed only, then making selections and your own clones.
I would be hesitant to buy any clones. Even walking into the dispensaries that are contaminated exposes you, as they can get on your clothes, shoes, etc.
One would think that dispensaries would inspect their clones better to prevent this from happening, but they keep selling contaminated clones.
Anyway, however you got them, welcome to the club.
You have your work cut out for you now and have to stay on top of these continuously, as they will return once they get into your space.
By the way, those look like cyclamen mite eggs, but no difference really. Same treatment.

well fuck.


when i first started, i bought my first cuts from a club. had spider mites, i brought it back. he shook the soil off and put it right back in the tray with the rest. ridiculous...

thanks RetroGrow.

 

[aligee]

essential oils, ill sign for.

 

[RetroGrow]

well fuck.


when i first started, i bought my first cuts from a club. had spider mites, i brought it back. he shook the soil off and put it right back in the tray with the rest. ridiculous...

thanks RetroGrow.

Hard to believe they are that callous. These dispensaries should be outed in any way possible for selling contaminated products. They have started an epidemic of epic proportions. 5 years ago, no one heard of Broad/cyclamen mites. Now they are everywhere.
They should be inspecting their clones before they even bring them in their place of business. I would hesitate even to walk into one if I were growing. All the more reason to start from seeds and make your own selections. The clone shortcut is not worth it if you have to deal with this plague.

 

[Phillthy]

update after first heat treatment. it appears that some of the new growth is a touch stunted and came out spotted like spider mite damage. i have no bugs so i imagine that the small new growth is just much more sensitive to the heat.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Have a look at these guys. As you all know I had broads destroy my last harvest. At the time I was sprouting some PPP seedlings and kept my fingers crossed that no broads went inside the humidity dome they were in. Once sprouted I believe they were in the room for 10-14 days with humidity dome over them the whole time.

While tearing my room down and such I brought my seedlings into my house in the furnace room. They were in there for 14 days or so. I then went and picked up my new clones last Saturday and brought my seedlings from my house into the garage. All looked well. That Saturday I dipped all clones including seedlings in some Forbid. 3 days later I gave them all a dip in some Avid.

Then yesterday when I went to transplant I noticed a few of my seedlings had some ugly new growth! Looking identical to BM damage. I cut a couple of the damaged leafs off and spent a couple minutes looking with my 100x scope and I saw no mites or eggs. Today they look a bit worse. All plants got a tea feeding with light nutrients and some aspirin just now.

My questions about this growth are..... #1 does it in fact look like BM damage? If so, how is that possible since before dipping them in Forbid and Avid they looked fine???? Could it be from toxin they injected before I dipped them and now the symptoms are showing up?
#2 I had a 4 Hot Shot no pest strips right by the plants the whole last week. Is it possible the vapour from those poisoned them a bit and that's what I'm seeing?

My plan is to let plants get rooted in there new pots over the next week and then do a heat treatment..... let me now what u guys think. Thanks.