Broad Mites?

[eric2028]

led- forbid can take up to 10 days to work. I like avid better and its easier on the plants, it also kills faster. but the avid label says to rotate with other products because mites can build a resistance. that's why I use forbid on occasion. as u know forbid kills eggs. I d like to try the heat treatment myself.

triple draw- I had the same issue with the soaps. I think I used bayer and the active ingredient was potassium salts maybe?

lolokai- hard to say for certain if those r eggs. trichs look similar under my cheap scope but r in a uniform pattern on a leaf. I always look for living moving mites. when I found mine I looked at the same damaged bud for like 10 minutes before I finally saw one!then I freaked!

 

[Jbomber79]

Ok so lets compile this information so we can get a better picture of how to beat the little beasts.
1. Safer-sounds to chemical "nuked" them, don't want to nuke them..
2. Avid/Forbid- good products but doesn't eliminate?
3. Aspirin doesn't kill them, slows them down?
4. Neem works for adults doesn't kill eggs must also be mixed with other products to eliminate
5. lavender/cinnamon oils helps much like neem doesn't eliminate though..

So what do you guys feels completly kills these suckas?
I was gifted some plants thought I had the beast killed but I'm seeing eggs under the leafs still...

 

[eric2028]

im not sure if u can ever kill them off totally without them returning. I think just having them under control or seeing no signs of bms is a good goal. whether its avid/forbid or heat no signs or symptoms is what I shoot for!

 

[RetroGrow]

Ok so lets compile this information so we can get a better picture of how to beat the little beasts.
1. Safer-sounds to chemical "nuked" them, don't want to nuke them..
2. Avid/Forbid- good products but doesn't eliminate?
3. Aspirin doesn't kill them, slows them down?
4. Neem works for adults doesn't kill eggs must also be mixed with other products to eliminate
5. lavender/cinnamon oils helps much like neem doesn't eliminate though..

So what do you guys feels completly kills these suckas?
I was gifted some plants thought I had the beast killed but I'm seeing eggs under the leafs still...

Aspirin has no effect on mites. It boosts plants immune system to fight off the effects of the toxins. If you had actually read the thread, you would know that.
Heat kills them & their eggs both on plants & in room.
Avid doesn't kill eggs, and some mites are building resistance to it. If you'd rather spray poison, spray away, but not in flower. They will still be in the room after spraying and will come back. They can be anywhere in your house/environment, and can return no matter what treatment you use. All these questions have been answered over & over & over again. Please read before asking the same questions over & over. All the information is already there.

 

[TripleDraw27]

Ok so lets compile this information so we can get a better picture of how to beat the little beasts.
1. Safer-sounds to chemical "nuked" them, don't want to nuke them..
2. Avid/Forbid- good products but doesn't eliminate?
3. Aspirin doesn't kill them, slows them down?
4. Neem works for adults doesn't kill eggs must also be mixed with other products to eliminate
5. lavender/cinnamon oils helps much like neem doesn't eliminate though..

So what do you guys feels completly kills these suckas?
I was gifted some plants thought I had the beast killed but I'm seeing eggs under the leafs still...

Dont lump in Safer. I am just a random who saw a post, in which we both did something similar and had same effect with our sprays, nothing to do with BMs, just a normal rotation of preventive stuff.

Dont include safer in your list, as i said, i had just noticed me and a couple other brothers " nuked" our babies, which brought me to post is all.

When I said nuke, all i mean is I sprayed the hell out of them. Nothing to do with chems. Dont compile a list just from last few pages homie lol.

 

[GK1]

heat/eggs

heat/eggs

Thanks to everyone. Been battling these jokers for a year and only recently identified properly. Tried Avid,Forbid,Pylon and they keep coming back. Very effective against adults and juveniles but not eggs with that line up. Have an empty 8k flower room that is currently heating up to 120....since its empty the humidity is very low. Concerned about that but will test with a few plants first.

Heat is effective against the eggs, yes?

120 for 60 minutes here I come.....if hesitantly so.

Results posted soon.

Thanks again.

 

[RetroGrow]

Have an empty 8k flower room that is currently heating up to 120....since its empty the humidity is very low. Concerned about that but will test with a few plants first.

Heat is effective against the eggs, yes?

120 for 60 minutes here I come.....if hesitantly so.

Results posted soon.

Thanks again.

Yes, heat kills eggs too. And the mites in your room. Whatever method you use, they can still come back because once they are in your house, they can be anywhere (ducting, ACs, filters, etc.) You have to stay on top of them and treat several times while scoping plants daily. 120 won't hurt your plants, even in flower.
You can repeat treatment every week or two if necessary. Once dialed in, it's easy. If your room is empty, you can even go higher with temps or leave temps high for longer time period before introducing plants, just to make sure you get all of them.
Forgot to mention, in a large room, use multiple thermometers to check temps in different areas. Heat rises, so if plants are on the floor, try to raise them somehow, with pots or milk crates or whatever.

 

[GK1]

Yes, heat kills eggs too. And the mites in your room. Whatever method you use, they can still come back because once they are in your house, they can be anywhere (ducting, ACs, filters, etc.) You have to stay on top of them and treat several times while scoping plants daily. 120 won't hurt your plants, even in flower.
You can repeat treatment every week or two if necessary. Once dialed in, it's easy. If your room is empty, you can even go higher with temps or leave temps high for longer time period before introducing plants, just to make sure you get all of them.
Forgot to mention, in a large room, use multiple thermometers to check temps in different areas. Heat rises, so if plants are on the floor, try to raise them somehow, with pots or milk crates or whatever.

Thanks. I tested temps down low and hit 124 for 75 minutes and let it cool down form there. I tested 4 plants and lost one.....it was an experimental that was being dipped daily with forbid/avid and it makes sense that it cooked. All others came through just fine....even at 22%RH. I'm going to do the heat treatment every 3 days leading up to flip and decide from there about bloom.

I am hoping to keep them at bay when protocols are fine tuned.

Thank you.

 

[RetroGrow]

Thanks. I tested temps down low and hit 124 for 75 minutes and let it cool down form there. I tested 4 plants and lost one.....it was an experimental that was being dipped daily with forbid/avid and it makes sense that it cooked. All others came through just fine....even at 22%RH. I'm going to do the heat treatment every 3 days leading up to flip and decide from there about bloom.

I am hoping to keep them at bay when protocols are fine tuned.

Thank you.

Cool. You probably won't need to do it so often. Check the treated plants with a scope to make sure everything's dead. Since the heat kills everything in the room, they won't come back so rapidly, but definitely keep scoping the undersides of leaves regularly, as they may still be in your house, and will eventually find their way back, in most cases. Also, I don't recommend going much above 120 F. A couple degrees either way won't hurt. Some people have posted they have gone to 130, but it really isn't necessary, as mites can't survive temps of 115 or more, so 120 is plenty. No sense pushing your luck, as I don't know what temps actually will cause damage, but I do know 120 is safe. Also, probably better with higher humidity, which would normally be the case with a larger number of hydrated plants. Once you have the heat dialed in, the rest is easy. Just repeat as necessary, and don't forget aspirin in your rez/feed, as it mitigates the effects of broad mite toxins by boosting plants immune system. 325 Mg. per gallon mixed in with your nutes. As long as you stay on top of it, they will be fine.
GL.....

 

[GK1]

Cool. You probably won't need to do it so often. Check the treated plants with a scope to make sure everything's dead. Since the heat kills everything in the room, they won't come back so rapidly, but definitely keep scoping the undersides of leaves regularly, as they may still be in your house, and will eventually find their way back, in most cases. Also, I don't recommend going much above 120 F. A couple degrees either way won't hurt. Some people have posted they have gone to 130, but it really isn't necessary, as mites can't survive temps of 115 or more, so 120 is plenty. No sense pushing your luck, as I don't know what temps actually will cause damage, but I do know 120 is safe. Also, probably better with higher humidity, which would normally be the case with a larger number of hydrated plants. Once you have the heat dialed in, the rest is easy. Just repeat as necessary, and don't forget aspirin in your rez/feed, as it mitigates the effects of broad mite toxins by boosting plants immune system. 325 Mg. per gallon mixed in with your nutes. As long as you stay on top of it, they will be fine.
GL.....

I feel ya. Here's the issue tho....I could look for 2 hours and not find a moving mite but when I look again tomorrow there will be new eggs. The heat treatment did not kill eggs on the 4 trial plants I ran last night....still viable. If I heat treat every three days for a week I should break the cycle at least enough to get me through a flower cylce....or maybe not. Worth the effort considering the plants do just fine. The miticides aren't cutting it and I prefer not to use them anyway. I admittedly could/should have added an ovicide but didn't. Forbid does nothing as an ovicide for these jokers....used it for a couple weeks and still have egss.....and fucked up foilage from forbid toxicity.

Heat treatment followed by a few hort oils in veg. I hope .

Thanks again.

 

[RetroGrow]

I feel ya. Here's the issue tho....I could look for 2 hours and not find a moving mite but when I look again tomorrow there will be new eggs. The heat treatment did not kill eggs on the 4 trial plants I ran last night....still viable. If I heat treat every three days for a week I should break the cycle at least enough to get me through a flower cylce....or maybe not. Worth the effort considering the plants do just fine. The miticides aren't cutting it and I prefer not to use them anyway. I admittedly could/should have added an ovicide but didn't. Forbid does nothing as an ovicide for these jokers....used it for a couple weeks and still have egss.....and fucked up foilage from forbid toxicity.

Heat treatment followed by a few hort oils in veg. I hope .

Thanks again.

How do you know the eggs you are seeing are alive? I'm guessing they are not, and will never hatch. Keep scoping and see if any of the remaining eggs actually hatch. I do not think they will, because they are dead.
Cut off some leaves that you can see eggs on. Put them in a jar or something and check every day to see if anything's hatching. I don't think you will find any hatching. You may still get mites coming into your room from elsewhere, but the eggs on the plants that have been heat treated are dead. Keep checking, and let us know.

 

[GK1]

How do you know the eggs you are seeing are alive? I'm guessing they are not, and will never hatch. Keep scoping and see if any of the remaining eggs actually hatch. I do not think they will, because they are dead.
Cut off some leaves that you can see eggs on. Put them in a jar or something and check every day to see if anything's hatching. I don't think you will find any hatching. You may still get mites coming into your room from elsewhere, but the eggs on the plants that have been heat treated are dead. Keep checking, and let us know.

I have a few good leaves for the job. I will do just that. I'd be stoked to find them compromised (eggs). I have both cyclamen and broads....cyc's are much easier to see and seem unaffected by the heat treatment. Typically and from experience with two spot eggs, they will burst or change color or something similar. These appear the same. I'll put a few in a jar tonight and let ya know in 48 hours.

 

[RetroGrow]

I have a few good leaves for the job. I will do just that. I'd be stoked to find them compromised (eggs). I have both cyclamen and broads....cyc's are much easier to see and seem unaffected by the heat treatment. Typically and from experience with two spot eggs, they will burst or change color or something similar. These appear the same. I'll put a few in a jar tonight and let ya know in 48 hours.

Just though of something. If the leaves dry out, that might kill the eggs if they are alive. I don't think they are. I also had cyclamen mites, and can assure you that heat kills them also, same as broads. But where there are new eggs, there has to be live mites laying them, and you would see them if that were the case if your scope is good enough. I have found that a bright light(think LED)is necessary to see them clearly, and of course a powerful, quality microscope makes it much easier, especially a USB scope that displays on your PC and you can photograph them. There is a LCD microscope that has it's own small LCD screen that makes them easy to see without using a computer.
You can get a really nice USB scope on Amazon for $130. I was originally using a cheap $10 Radio Shack scope, and you have to look for awhile to see the mites. The eggs are easy to see, but the mites take patience. If you keep looking, you will see them if they are there.
I don't think you will find any living mites, but you should see at least a few dead ones. It doesn't take a large number of these to do damage, even as small as they are, due to the toxins they release. Again, aspirin negates much of the effects of the toxins.

 

[Phillthy]

i have read that it only takes 3-10 mites to do great damage to the plant.

 

[RetroGrow]

i have read that it only takes 3-10 mites to do great damage to the plant.

It's true, because of the toxins. Although the three to ten multiply rapidly. Each female lays almost 100 eggs, and 80% of those become females, so you can see how fast they can multiply by geometric progression. It doesn't take many though to cause damage. That's why aspirin is a standard part of my regimen. It is always in the rez, regardless of situation. Helps the plant resist many things.
I never grow without aspirin now.

 

[Jbomber79]

If there is one eventaully you will see more, I'm on a strick regime of spraying every 7 days..bump on the aspirin suggestion

 

[moodster]

are these trichs or BMs what do you lot think ?? proper teardrop shaped LOL

 

[RetroGrow]

are these trichs or BMs what do you lot think ?? proper teardrop shaped LOL

Trichs.....

 

[moodster]

Trichs.....

cheers retrogrow I thought they was bms been freaking out about them cheers for all your help retrogrow I gave mine the heat treatment they seemed to love it with or without broad mites

 

[HAZE FIEND]

cheers retrogrow I thought they was bms been freaking out about them cheers for all your help retrogrow I gave mine the heat treatment they seemed to love it with or without broad mites

sweet see i told ya heat n moisture fuks these little gits up any mites it should do damage n help kill if not eradicate them eventually with reapeted cycles of off fans with lights on n keepin humidity as high as u can constanantly sprayin with water, p v p, neem repel n whatever else seems to work n help to kill em but the extreme heat n extreme moisture needs to be kept on n off goin on for a good couple month to be sure u completly wiped em out.. i had some very hard mites to get rid of before of some sort sounds like these n by the damage they done, plus the 2 spotted mite i think before... but this did get rid of em eventually... gota be so on it tho like spray the fuk outa your intire op as much as u can when ever u get a chance to make sure u keep moisture high high high..... and it helps to deal with thehot hot hot temps with fans off...