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Broad Mites?

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Storm Shadow

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Avid and Forbid are in constant rotation with everything else..... I eased up on the stronger chems and boy did they come back with revenge... Always tell yourself mentally you have BM's and keep up with the sprays..never imagine they are gone forever...
 

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Avid and Forbid are in constant rotation with everything else..... I eased up on the stronger chems and boy did they come back with revenge... Always tell yourself mentally you have BM's and keep up with the sprays..never imagine they are gone forever...

Kinda what I thought!! Thanks. I'm assuming you just use Avid and Forbid in Veg then? DO you use one or both during each veg cycle? Trying to figure out the best way to get my system down like when to apply and how many times. Thanks brother :thank you: Like do you apply Avid say at rooted clones and Forbid right before flipping to flower?
 

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Kinda what I thought!! Thanks. I'm assuming you just use Avid and Forbid in Veg then? DO you use one or both during each veg cycle? Trying to figure out the best way to get my system down like when to apply and how many times. Thanks brother :thank you: Like do you apply Avid say at rooted clones and Forbid right before flipping to flower?

Avid works right away.....Forbid takes up to 2 weeks to go systemic and kill everything BM related... each need to be applied 2x b4 flowering.... I apply them a few days apart from each other...always in Veg
 

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Avid works right away.....Forbid takes up to 2 weeks to go systemic and kill everything BM related... each need to be applied 2x b4 flowering.... I apply them a few days apart from each other...always in Veg

Thanks bud!!! :tiphat: Think I will hit my girls once as rooted clones with Avid and Forbid, and then again right before I flip to flower. Here is to hoping for a clean grow!!
 

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Thanks bud!!! :tiphat: Think I will hit my girls once as rooted clones with Avid and Forbid, and then again right before I flip to flower. Here is to hoping for a clean grow!!

I would not advise spraying with forbid or avid right before you flower. Do it only on small clones that are very small and need plenty of veg time before flowering to be safe. Heat is the way to go if you need to do something directly before you flower.
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Avid and Forbid are in constant rotation with everything else..... I eased up on the stronger chems and boy did they come back with revenge... Always tell yourself mentally you have BM's and keep up with the sprays..never imagine they are gone forever...

Well, you keep on spraying dangerous poisons on your plants continuously, yet they continue to come back. How is this possible, since you are killing them 100%? You continue to urge others to use same chemicals, yet you haven't tried heat treatment. It's only a matter of time before you get resistant strains, then your chems won't work at all. Not to mention the fact that Forbid is very dangerous, and lingers long in plant tissue. I for one wouldn't want to smoke herb that had been treated with Forbid. And neither would a lot of others, if they actually knew what you were putting on their herb. The fact that you are still using them is proof that they aren't the best solution. In spraying the plants, you are not killing the BMs in the room, hence they will always come back, and you are building resistance, a fact that seems to escape you. OTOH, heat once a week or so for an hour, and you will never have to spray expensive, dangerous poisons again, and you will be killing all the mites/eggs in the room. And you will be giving your customer's health a break. But @ least, you are impressing LEDNewbie........
 

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I would not advise spraying with forbid or avid right before you flower. Do it only on small clones that are very small and need plenty of veg time before flowering to be safe. Heat is the way to go if you need to do something directly before you flower.
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Exactly!
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Well, you keep on spraying dangerous poisons on your plants continuously, yet they continue to come back. How is this possible, since you are killing them 100%? You continue to urge others to use same chemicals, yet you haven't tried heat treatment. It's only a matter of time before you get resistant strains, then your chems won't work at all. Not to mention the fact that Forbid is very dangerous, and lingers long in plant tissue. I for one wouldn't want to smoke herb that had been treated with Forbid. And neither would a lot of others, if they actually knew what you were putting on their herb. The fact that you are still using them is proof that they aren't the best solution. In spraying the plants, you are not killing the BMs in the room, hence they will always come back, and you are building resistance, a fact that seems to escape you. OTOH, heat once a week or so for an hour, and you will never have to spray expensive, dangerous poisons again, and you will be killing all the mites/eggs in the room. And you will be giving your customer's health a break. But @ least, you are impressing LEDNewbie........


So 122 deg F for one hour does not bother the plants? Regardless of growth stage?
 

Phillthy

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i had a couple of younger ones that i just transplanted show me they were pissed with a few curled leaves. 90% of the plants showed nothing.

i heated them as a preventative measure. i havent seen any issues since i got rid of them. trying to stay on top of things here. i hit them for 45 minutes. from 116-122.
 

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Hey Storm, now that you have completely eliminated BM's from your environment do you still use Avid and Forbid? Or just these other products?

If they were actually "completely eliminated", no further treatment would be required, would it?
But, of course, they aren't completely eliminated, hence the need for continual treatment. The more you treat with poisons, the more you increase the chance of the mites becoming resistant. When that happens (when, not if), no amount of poison will work. He will have to learn the cheaper, safer, easier, more effective heat treatment.
If I ever got clones from anywhere, I would dip them, but that is it. And it's highly unlikely I would do that anyway, as I prefer making my own. So good luck with the poison, and more importantly, good luck to your "peeps" who will be ingesting them.
 

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i had a couple of younger ones that i just transplanted show me they were pissed with a few curled leaves. 90% of the plants showed nothing.

i heated them as a preventative measure. i havent seen any issues since i got rid of them. trying to stay on top of things here. i hit them for 45 minutes. from 116-122.

I think that is the right way to go. Preventative measures periodically, so they can never gain a foothold again. I believe if you do that once every two weeks, you will never have a problem again.
Also, the aspirin really works to strengthen plants immune system. Helps them resist anything.
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Retro. I'm not saying chems are the only way to go. And as u know I'm doing the heat thing as well. But since I did get new clones since I lost all my vegging plants, dipping them with chems is a absolute must!!! Didn't do that last time and look at what happened!!

Since I have no real way of doing the heat treatment in the other half of my garage I'm sure more bm's will make there way back into the room. So I just wanna make sure these girls stay 100% . If this grow does go without bm issues I will most likely just stick with heat treatments from there on out.

I'd like to thank both storm shadow and retrogrow for there knowledge and help as I'm feeling quite optimistic about this round :tiphat:
 

Storm Shadow

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RetroGrow....I grow in mutiple locations and post pics of all my rooms/plants...zero BM's..

I got money to make...you can stick with your hot air and asprin...I'll stick with what everyone in the Greenhouse/Nursery Industry has proven to work...I use all kinds of chems and I dont give a damn how dangerous you think they are....go lecture people on making BHO

Those of us trying to make money dont have time for what works for you closet guys...get that through your head... Avid and Forbid > Asprin/Hot Temps

Its not even close ....show me some huge grow rooms you've cleaned with this method
 

Storm Shadow

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Its funny if no one takes Retro's advice he jumps down their throat and trys to spray them with Asprin.... BM's can never build immunity to the wide array of chems being used...and like anything Grandpa...used with right timing your all good... so quit with non-sense...you've preached to high hell about temps and asprin...yet people still have BM's using this method...I've dealt with this problem years ago and havent sweated shit since..

You talking shit like Im poisioning my people is Old Man Bitter talk... Learn some new tatics Gramps
 

GreenGuySF

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Has any one killed Broad Mites with strictly high CO2 before or is that only theoretical at this point? To get 120F I would probably need more space heaters then I could even fit on the ground, it is a wide space with 10' ceiling

After using the Avid 1.5mL/gal 18 & 14 days ago I'm scoping ever day but luckily haven't found them alive again yet...... I still see a few "claw" leafs and pistils going brown though, so I have a fear they are hiding somewhere, although I read the toxic effects from their saliva can extend up to 2 weeks, so maybe its just that. I got a USB scope coming today (it has been a real pain focusing the $12 radio shack 60-100x mini LED one) so maybe I'll find them.

I wlil check everywhere, but where do you guys normally see these things show up first ??? Underside leaf, or would they be in among the buds feeding?

I am using 325mg/gal aspirin NSAID ever since detecting the broads. Anything else would help the plant bounce back?? Are there any SAR or harmin protein products that are a good choice in flower? I lost my entire last round with stunted buds when not knowing I had broads.

THANkS!!!
 

RetroGrow

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Its funny if no one takes Retro's advice he jumps down their throat and trys to spray them with Asprin.... BM's can never build immunity to the wide array of chems being used...and like anything Grandpa...used with right timing your all good... so quit with non-sense...you've preached to high hell about temps and asprin...yet people still have BM's using this method...I've dealt with this problem years ago and havent sweated shit since..

You talking shit like Im poisioning my people is Old Man Bitter talk... Learn some new tatics Gramps

Who's talking shit? Sounds like you bro. I have learned some new tactics, but you are still stuck on stupid. It's obvious to me that killing them without poison is a much better way to go than using dangerous chemicals. Anybody can Google "Broad Mites" and see what poisons are used to control them. Not exactly an innovation on your part. And anyone that understands resistance, knows that pests will build a resistance to chems. That seems to be over your head. You've also neglected to mention that greenhouses, etc., use heat to kill mites, as do professional exterminators to kill bedgugs, scabies, etc. This is an excepted way to kill pests without poisons. To some of us that is important. We don't want to take a chance on passing toxins on to others, or ingesting them ourselves. You, on the other hand don't care. As long as you can keep slinging.

Your "MR. Big" rant is pretty tired. You sound like Unknown Prophet!
Too funny!
And, I haven't jumped down anyone's throat, with the exception of Unknown Prophet, the troll.
So you can take that nonsense and shove it.
You have to keep spraying, because you never get totally rid of them. That is a fact that you attempt to gloss over. And that is why eventually, mites will get resistant. But they will never get resistant to heat.
And no nasty side effects!
So keep telling people that poison is better than heat, even though you have never tried heat, and even though many of us who have tried it know that it's better. Some of us are more concerned with the health of the end user at the expense of profit, whereas in your case, it's the other way around.
 
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