Broad mites: ID and Organic Antidotes that work!

[Intimea]

You can just use Google.... "Chemical against broad mites"

Tons of reading...and you're going Off Topic.

PS: in every university research, heat treatment (especially hot water) is recommended.

 

[Mikell]

Not a single university, or IPM program that I have seen says heat treatments are an effective form of eradicating russets/broad mites.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=*.ed...6ABw#q=heat+treatment+pest+control+site:*.edu

Ever bought a bag of soil? I wonder how it was sanitized.

Magic probably. Failing that, witchcraft.

#3 - Chemical fertilizers are needed to eradicate an infestation

You may want to rewrite that.

Absolutes based on personal or localized (see: unreliable) experience make my brain hurt.

 

[mtntrogger]

So, on the subject of the seemingly toughest mites in the world, when I was fighting the devils I turned to super high doses of Azamax after reading a study conducted in Brazil on chili peppers, they need huge doses of Azadirachtin to reach a negative population growth rate, around 2-3x the recommended dosage of Azamax, which will make your plants ABSOLUTELY MISERABLE but will eventually get rid of your broad mites, then the plants can recover without the smothering neem concentrate and broad mite toxins. Aspirin too, of course.

Here you go 50/bulldog, he posted this a few pages back. I havent tried it , but smurph knows whats up. I wouldnt be surprised at all if this works. Just sayin , might be worth checking into.

 

[mtntrogger]

My friend who is a veteran grower with nearly 30 years experience swears the only way to treat these or any bugs is to toss/cull anything that ever gets a bug. and restart. He claims this is what has always been done for thousands of years...This defy s all reasonable logic to me. Isnt the definition of insanity to try the same thing over and over again ,with the same result yet ,expecting a different result ? Glad icmag is here for us all to learn from and each other .

 

[The Admiral]

Anyone ever have Braod Mites and NEVER find a live one or an egg? I think I've gone nuts. Been battling what I thought was BM. But I'm not so sure.

I have yellowing apical tips, twisting, curling leaves. I have used every nasty pesticide I could get. This does not seem to make a difference. Recently, I used an asprin spray. The other day, clawing at the walls, I sprayed Photosynthesis+ as a foliar.

Never have seen a BM or egg. I have SCOURED plants with a 60-100x scope. Nothing.

I'm starting to think I may have a virus...?

The kicker is I have two batches of plants in flower that look great. Its clone to veg is the issue. If I can get them through veg, they seem to straighten out in flower.

I have began reading Harvard and Cornell scholarly articles on plant virus'. Dare I say it is TMV. I see some people say there has never been a case confirmed on cannabis.

I wish I could just bring these plants to a plant lab. Damn laws.

I guess I'm just wondering if anyone has ever had a confirmed case of BM and never found one? I can't see how this is possible. But I guess anything is possible.

Perplexed....

 

[zooty]

Your an idiot

I stopped reading at this.. must be an oxymoron

Heat treatments definitely work just read through all the broad mite threads and thanks to Retro for putting the info out there

& what's so great about your fancy little infrared thermometer.. you spent a few thousand on yours? lol I spent 20 English pounds on mine and it works great

 

[blueberrydrumz]

Anyone ever have Braod Mites and NEVER find a live one or an egg? I think I've gone nuts. Been battling what I thought was BM. But I'm not so sure.

I have yellowing apical tips, twisting, curling leaves. I have used every nasty pesticide I could get. This does not seem to make a difference. Recently, I used an asprin spray. The other day, clawing at the walls, I sprayed Photosynthesis+ as a foliar.

Never have seen a BM or egg. I have SCOURED plants with a 60-100x scope. Nothing.

I'm starting to think I may have a virus...?

The kicker is I have two batches of plants in flower that look great. Its clone to veg is the issue. If I can get them through veg, they seem to straighten out in flower.

I have began reading Harvard and Cornell scholarly articles on plant virus'. Dare I say it is TMV. I see some people say there has never been a case confirmed on cannabis.

I wish I could just bring these plants to a plant lab. Damn laws.

I guess I'm just wondering if anyone has ever had a confirmed case of BM and never found one? I can't see how this is possible. But I guess anything is possible.

Perplexed....

have you thought of Root Aphids?
i thought i had BM but then found RA´s

 

[zztirebiter]

hello, new here. regarding the heat treatment, will the fumes from the propane heater be bad for my plants? do i do the tx. with soil wet or dry? do i give the aspirin immediately after tx ? thank you

 

[zztirebiter]

will the heat tx. kill the root maggots and fungûs gnats?

 

[RetroGrow]

hello, new here. regarding the heat treatment, will the fumes from the propane heater be bad for my plants? do i do the tx. with soil wet or dry? do i give the aspirin immediately after tx ? thank you

Be careful with propane! I don't recommend using it, but if you know what you are doing.....
If you have BMs, you give aspirin along with watering. Keep plants hydrated.
It's not going to treat your soil.

 

[Mikell]

Plants can survive CO2 levels well in excess of what it will take to kill you, a concentration easily reached by running that heater in a closed environment.

Back to the drawing board.

 

[zztirebiter]

what space heater should i get as i could reach 109 with litess alone. so if i do neem drenches for fungus flies and thrips. i saw a lot of clear maggots on trays with 109 temp . should i drench in conjunction with heat?

 

[50YardLine]

Here you go 50/bulldog, he posted this a few pages back. I havent tried it , but smurph knows whats up. I wouldnt be surprised at all if this works. Just sayin , might be worth checking into.

So what is three times the dosage? When I contacted Azamax, they told me 15ml per gallon for preventative, 30ml a gal for small outbreaks, and 45ml per gal for outbreaks. I have been using Azamax at 45ml, and the russets just bath in it.

Are you suggesting 135ml per gal? That would for sure burn every thing on the plant, but I am still experimenting with a couple plants outdoors. Maybe I will try it, but that seems like suicide to me.

 

[50YardLine]

I stopped reading at this.. must be an oxymoron

Heat treatments definitely work just read through all the broad mite threads and thanks to Retro for putting the info out there

& what's so great about your fancy little infrared thermometer.. you spent a few thousand on yours? lol I spent 20 English pounds on mine and it works great

why did you feel the need to troll and be nasty? I have documented why the heat treatments wont work, yet you ignore that as well. My fancy thermometer is used as a scientific tool to determine if circuit breakers in a panel box are being stressed. Your 20 # lazer sounds great, but your comparing apples to oranges.

Maybe I confused you guys with the talk of scientific instruments.

I raised my room to 145 degrees F, every three days for months. I still had mites. Just explain that, since the rest of the information I put up is WAY OVER YOUR HEAD!

BTW - you're using the word oxymoron wrong, look it up.

P.S. I never said heat treatments wont "work". However they will never eradicate an infestation due to hiding places in the soil, and cerevisiae in the plant that keep the temps down. If you have cover crops, there is no chance a heat treatment will eradicate an infestation.

Next time you address me, have some respect.

 

[Avinash.miles]

ok, peeps, lets keep it civil and on topic in here, anything we can do to help each other, not troll and flame and argue and the conversation devolves....

anyhow, a lil citations would be nice also (like milky joe requested a couple pages back), how about when y'all make claims about something back it up with some reading material / scholarly article or something. just post a link, then noone can call you a troll.... and noone can really argue your point if you can at least back it up with SOMETHING. (this search result list by mikell is the only link in last couple pages: https://www.google.ca/search?q=*.ed...6ABw#q=heat+treatment+pest+control+site:*.edu )


Perhaps even a NEW thread in the Infirmary section about the effectiveness of Heat Treatments against pests in different environments is in order....

 

[Avinash.miles]

just a few minutes of searching and i found this article (from NC state university cooperative extension) about heat treating for broad mites:
https://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/O&T/flowers/note28/note28.html
quote: "Cyclamen mites and broad mites are very sensitive to heat. They are more difficult to control in winter than in summer due to lower greenhouse temperatures. Lowering infested plants into water held at 111degrees F for 15 minutes will destroy these mites without damaging the plants."
here are 2 other links to articles that echo this:
http://hort.uwex.edu/articles/cyclamen-and-broad-mites/ -university of wisconsin extension
http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/la...ment/Biology_and_Mgmt_of_Greenhouse_Pests.pdf - purdue university

granted it may be difficult to completely submerge larger plants.... but for treating incoming clones a hot water bath may work, im sure these universities in states with no medical programs or cannabis research haven't tried the hot water bath to kill broad / cyclamen mites on young cannabis plants....
so...
it's up to us to try it and share results, right here, in this thread....

 

[milkyjoe]

I got em through clones once upon a time. Gotta admit I don't know which mite it was...but one of those assholes. Heat treating the room did not work...maybe because of the soil mass involved...1/2 yard per light. It was only when I drenched with kontos and sprayed with pylon/forbid that I eliminated them. Have not seen them since.

Fucked my soil up for a while though...so get on recharging microbes in a hurry if you go that way.

I would like to think dipping clones in hot water would work. But my defense is gonna remain quarantining clones and checking them witha 400 power scope. Somebody else please check the hot water deal

 

[Avinash.miles]

I would like to think dipping clones in hot water would work. But my defense is gonna remain quarantining clones and checking them witha 400 power scope. Somebody else please check the hot water deal

I'm thinking the process would go something like: identify living pest(s) w magnification tool, try hot water treatment, check again under magnification and confirm pests are dead.

 

[milkyjoe]

You are out thinking me today. Good idea. Exactly what I will do if I ever see one again

 

[Mikell]

Heat treatment (hot air, hot water, hot vapour) dates back to the early twentieth century and is still used today for a variety of purposes.

Your individual experiments with the process having failed do not correspond to a failure of the practice as a whole, a mindset you demonstrated in the list of absolutes posted earlier. Personal experience, while a helpful contribution, are dwarfed by the collective experience of the whole. A grain of sand a beach does not make.


It isn't too popular on cannabis websites, but then either is stylet oil. Bit of a nüdlen scratchen.

I'd love to experiment more, but am all smug here with my bug free garden. All I can test for is phytotoxicity of a method. Zero IPM, zero AEA or balancing of minerals. Zero to the ZED (correct pronunciation). I'ma going jack off to the idea of myself (re: blind luck).