Blazeoneup hits the dirt again.

[Guest]

awesome thread.Blaze do you RO your water.my water is VERY high in iron.Wondering if this'll screw things up for me/ I really want to try this..heck you're more than willing to help too.Great opportunity for an outdoor grower trying the inside thing..peace..BL

 

[new-n-scured]

hey nice ganj factory you got goin i would b happy with 1/3 your setup. Anyways how do you if at all go about flushing the plants at the end of the harvest?

 

[Pot Pimp]

I got all the ingredients to mix up my potting media and can't find the damn Pro Mix. HD doesn't carry it here.

 

[NiteTiger]

I got all the ingredients to mix up my potting media and can't find the damn Pro Mix. HD doesn't carry it here.

HD doesn't carry it around me either. I found some regular Promix at the hydro shop, but not the one for containers. We went back to his office and researched the Promix vendor info, and the only difference we saw was water crystals in the Promix for Containers.

That should do it if you can find the regular Promix.

 

[th3gr33ncur3]

how much did you yeild ?

 

[In Vino Veritas]

I got all the ingredients to mix up my potting media and can't find the damn Pro Mix. HD doesn't carry it here.

I'm sure one of the motivators for this mix is that you don't have to go to the hydro shop..

Most HD's don't carry promix.. try another garden supply if you must have promix. Otherwise, get some peatmoss, vermiculate, and perlite and mix that up..

 

[kovenant]

awesome job blaze - what did you net on this one?

 

[Guest]

B-U-T ful blaze

 

[Guest]

you r the man what monsters at 44 days wow

 

[Guest]

that sux about the jail time my friend i also have some issues nothing major this time 90 days comin soon keep ur head up holmz

 

[Guest]

i am definetly using this mix next go round i have a similar sized room with a track system 1 1000w hps 1 600 mh plan on the new 1000 this week for next grow

 

[Dusty Bowls]

blaze im loving the larger root mass just goes to show provide the basic things and a great environment and it works

 

[kovenant]

i was also wondering blaze, do you premix your soil mix and let sit before transplanting into it... or do you just mix & fill your bags right when you transplant?

 

[In Vino Veritas]

He doesn't let it sit. Other wise all the nitrogen breaks down quickly and when you transplant into it you have some hot hot mix..

 

[vhGhost]

Organics

Organics

thanks again blaze for showing all of us theres more than one way to skin the cat
used your reciepe exactly With 1 High P guano/wormC/mollasses tea 7 days into 12/12
and these are hurtin because my camera was on the fritz so i waitted untill i got it working ... so they have been getting water for the last 16 days.. The sample smokes i took where outstanding !!!

ps. i know you guys are seeing alot of spidermite damage but that has now been taken care of(or at least i think so), and there will be daily sprayings with an arsenal of mite killers. * i have recently been using a small compressor and a paint gun to really get under the leaves and into the canopy. ** works great!! **

 

[Couch Locked]

Hey, After seeing your post blaze I went along with your recipies and they are going strong...

Just wanted to pop in and say "Yep it works"

Fed nothing but plain water their entire lives day 24 of flowering

 

[blazeoneup]

thanks! well... im following suit and hitting the soil with ya. cant wait to get my hands dirty!

few more questions though - sorry!


1a) so 10 days in the cups... and you get root growth that fills up the entire cups - enough to have to break up the root ball? do you get much top growth during this time period - or is there alot of root growth happening when you dont notice tons of growth up top?

1b) so you not only pre-veg under the 400w lamp - but you also do your vegging under it? i counted 20 girls in 3 gal bags on your first post - what is the space/footprint you have these layed out in... and having your lamp 14" above them offers enough light for this area?

2a) whats the advantage to running HPS the first half of flower, and then MH the last?

2b) let me make sure im understanding this correctly. you have 2 stages of flowering... so you are putting all 20 girls under 1 1000w HPS lamp (on a mover) - then after 30 days you are moving them all 20 girls under the 1000w MH lamp (also on a mover) and moving a new batch of 20 girls under the 1000w HPS? if so - can you give me the measurements on the footprint you keep your plants under, as well as the length your mover moves the lamps?

3) same thing with me - no way to veg with CO2, cant really seal that closet. i was going to veg them under my 600s (since flower room is going to be empty and ready for them soon) so that i could run CO2 during veg. /shrug

thnx Blaze!

1a) Yeah I pre veg for 10 days in pro mix, and the roots are developed enough to break them open and spread them out during transplant. There is some noticable upper growth but not a lot most growth is taking place below the soil surface with the roots at this point.

1b) Yes I pre veg and veg under a 400 watt mh, The girls in bags take up around 4x4 footprint and everything else gets outside lighting. Its deffinantly not optimal by any means. But yeah it gets the job done for now.

2a) The advantage to me is that starting them out under the hps for the 1st 30 days gives them a good stretch, and helps bulk up the buds, and finishing them under the mh helps tighten the buds up and also doesnt hurt trichome production.

2b) You understand correctly the footprint is 8x7 or 8x8 one of the 2. The light rails are 6ft in length.

you're killing me blaze! you make it seem so easy congrats on the latest harvest!

Thanks its actually about as easy as it looks

You SUMMABITCH!

Looking very good indeed Blaze. Soon I'm gonna be running your soil setup in a DIY cab. I had a couple of questions that I'm sure have been covered already, but stoned as I am, and even though I have read every post in this thread, I just dont know the answers to my questions.
For your promix substitute, what ratio do you recommend for the peat moss and the vermiculite?
My cab is going to be 5X5, but I have been wondering how tall I should go. If I use a 600w HPS aircooled 465cfm how much height should I allow for optimum growth and how much buffer should I leave between light and plants? Also the same goes for a 1000w HPS aircooled 465cfm as well. How tall plants, and buffer?
Do you think that a 1000w in a 5X5 foot print is too much?
I will be running no more than 6 plants through flower, and wondered what size bags you recommend, 3gal or 5gal? For ease of a 30gal mix and using 6 plants I figured 5 gal.

Thank you for the help

Teh_Baker

I would do this, add 10% vermiculite and 15-20% perlite. That should perform pretty well. Well with the 600 watter and a 465cfm blower cooling it you should have no problem keeping the light 10" away from the tops of the plants. Well finishing height I would say 20-24" should be fine. 1000 watter isnt to much for a 5x5 imo its perfect. As long as your able to keep the light cooled you should be able to keep the 1k around 14" from the tops. Possibly closer if you want to. I agree for ease of mix run the 5 gal...

I got 1kw for 4x4, they love it!

Thanks for adding your 20cents worth im going to have to smack you over the head with a bud soon eh....

I was just wondering about the soil mix? You are supplementing your N and P with blood and bone but not your K at all. Cannabis is a K hog so a cup or even 2 of greensand or some langbenite would probably improve things. I just had my best harvest ever using more K in the form of greensand than either N or P. Just wondering about this because I've seen people on here before supplementing N and P and not K?????? I think in alot of ways if you look at the entire life cycle of the plant K is the most important nutrient.
Heres a pic of my greensand soaked outdoor. I'm going to utilize the same mix for my next indoor grow. I think its a keeper.

Greensand is an additive that could be added to the mix, K is important but this mix certainly doesnt lack k. Adding more may show some gains but its not needed to get results. But yeah its in the air for anyone who feels the need to add something or make changes.

wow just wow.thanks again for the show and have a buzzed day.peace

Your welcome have a good one yourself!

Blazeoneup you are my hero!!! I wrote down my new shopping list. I just lost a batch of blueberry in my hydro unit; I knew there must be a better, simpler way to do this. I really have a brown thumb but I think I can do this. Thanks man!!

Great to hear and good luck with turning them brown thumbs green

awesome thread.Blaze do you RO your water.my water is VERY high in iron.Wondering if this'll screw things up for me/ I really want to try this..heck you're more than willing to help too.Great opportunity for an outdoor grower trying the inside thing..peace..BL

I dont use ro with this mix I have previously and it worked out fine as well. If your ppm is above 300 and ph is above 8 then you may run into problems possibly but otherwise should be fine.

hey nice ganj factory you got goin i would b happy with 1/3 your setup. Anyways how do you if at all go about flushing the plants at the end of the harvest?

Well its simple the last couple watering just water until you get 15% run off this is all the flushing thats needed.

I got all the ingredients to mix up my potting media and can't find the damn Pro Mix. HD doesn't carry it here.

That sucks man hope you figure it out. vvv

HD doesn't carry it around me either. I found some regular Promix at the hydro shop, but not the one for containers. We went back to his office and researched the Promix vendor info, and the only difference we saw was water crystals in the Promix for Containers.

That should do it if you can find the regular Promix.

Now your adding your 50cent worth, Hmm looks in the jar for a bud to smack nite tiger with.

how much did you yeild ?

23 oz and couple fatties.

I'm sure one of the motivators for this mix is that you don't have to go to the hydro shop..

Most HD's don't carry promix.. try another garden supply if you must have promix. Otherwise, get some peatmoss, vermiculate, and perlite and mix that up..

Thanks for the post!

B-U-T ful blaze

Hehehe

you r the man what monsters at 44 days wow

Not really monsters but they hold their own!

that sux about the jail time my friend i also have some issues nothing major this time 90 days comin soon keep ur head up holmz

Yeah its all in the past now nothing left but the bright bright future.

i am definetly using this mix next go round i have a similar sized room with a track system 1 1000w hps 1 600 mh plan on the new 1000 this week for next grow

Sounds like a plan keep us informed on your progress

blaze im loving the larger root mass just goes to show provide the basic things and a great environment and it works

Thanks for stopping in dusty. Exactly !!!!

i was also wondering blaze, do you premix your soil mix and let sit before transplanting into it... or do you just mix & fill your bags right when you transplant?

I dont let it set no I mix and transplant directly. The miracle grow provides plenty of readily available nutrients for them to get started and the blood and bone meal will become readily available through-out the grow. Allowing time for everything to break down and become readily available would result in some burning of the plants for the 1st couple weeks.

He doesn't let it sit. Other wise all the nitrogen breaks down quickly and when you transplant into it you have some hot hot mix..

Thanks for the reply!

thanks again blaze for showing all of us theres more than one way to skin the cat
used your reciepe exactly With 1 High P guano/wormC/mollasses tea 7 days into 12/12
and these are hurtin because my camera was on the fritz so i waitted untill i got it working ... so they have been getting water for the last 16 days.. The sample smokes i took where outstanding !!!

ps. i know you guys are seeing alot of spidermite damage but that has now been taken care of(or at least i think so), and there will be daily sprayings with an arsenal of mite killers. * i have recently been using a small compressor and a paint gun to really get under the leaves and into the canopy. ** works great!! **

Thanks for stopping by man, As well as sharing your experience with us!!!

Hey, After seeing your post blaze I went along with your recipies and they are going strong...

Just wanted to pop in and say "Yep it works"

Fed nothing but plain water their entire lives day 24 of flowering

Looks great man keep it up! and hell even another joint will do after all this typing

 

[blazeoneup]

Ok guys sorry I fail behind on the posting but I have been extremely busy as of late. The final weight on round #2 was just over 23 oz. Time for a update on things as of now!

Round #3 Day 1 12/12


Round #3 Day 7 12/12


Round #3 Day 14 12/12


Round #3 Day 19 12/12


Round # 3 Day 32 12/12



Round # 3 Day 49 12/12


Round # 4 Day 1 12/12


I fail a little behind on round #4 getting them transplanted and stuff and vegged in time to go in on time so I am a little behind but no biggie! Now for some random pictures!

 

[Cannabeard]

Damn Blaze,
I always love your updates. That Ganja factory is tight, and the simplicity, MAN! Got to love it. I bet the hardest part of your growing is moving things around. And the trim of course, but really, with buds that beautiful, who complains? LOL I am with Nite Tiger, I would love to be at your pad on trimming day! I bet the finger hash is great. Keep up the great work my man, and keep fighting the good fight! We all love your show, thanks for showing us all how simple things can really be!!

Stay safe brother,

Cannabeard

 

[budvapor]

just a couple quick comments re: the mix so far with my experimenting.

1. don't let it sit. i did, and it became too hot for small plants/cuttings. it didn't really burn them, just stunted their growth (i guess roots couldn't grow well).

2. if you're making a pro-mix replacement, consider adding some dolomite lime. i didn't, and i had a ph problem pretty quickly which also stunted growth. now that was with seedlings... for rooting cuttings, maybe there's not enough time for the peat to acidify too much--not sure at this point to be honest. (i think 1tbsp dolomite lime/gallon of mix--still experimenting with it)

3. use at least 3-gal bags/containers. i had some smallish plants and used 2-gal bags, but that was not enough, i had to fertilize toward the end.

does that sound about right?